Originally posted by King Kandy
Is there any reason to believe that the two techniques are different? Kirabi said the eight tails can turn off any genjutsu by disrupting his chakra, so it won't matter how good the genjutsu is.Actually, it does. Sasuke can dodge Amaterasu, and as you just said, Kirabi is even faster and thus can do it with even more ease, and can do replacement without it tiring himself out since he has an unlimited chakra source.
Suigetsu got messed up trying to block his attack (did he survive? I can't remember.) It wasn't like that was the extent of Kirabi's chakra either, he can launch attacks all day whereas using Susanoo continually depletes Itachi's chakra. The sword may be able to trap Orochimaru in an eternal genjutsu, but [B]genjutsu don't work on Kirabi.
Also Oro never even tried to avoid or block the sword at all. He let it hit him because he didn't know that it could harm him.It actually is a better feat than anything we've ever seen. Orochimaru couldn't beat a pre-mangekyo Sasuke. Neither could Deidara. Itachi... he died. Whether he was going all-out or not, all we have is Madara's word on it so i'm not willing to rank him head-over-heals above Sasuke yet. Kirabi, however, was demonstratively above Sasuke by miles, and this Sasuke had the mangekyo... Sasuke is all about his Sharingan, having enhanced perception + three of the most powerful jutsu in the world will certainly put him on another level.
We've seen the eight-tails have fun with Sasuke and nearly kill his entire team. Kirabi just didn't take them seriously at all, he left when the fight got boring and could only be bothered to kick their asses a second time when they took the fight to him. Itachi, he died. We don't know how much more he could have done, Madara isn't exactly the most trustworthy guy on the subject since he is a villain and all. We do know that Kirabi is far above the entire Hawk team, which includes a Mangekyo Sasuke. Itachi died fighting a lesser Sasuke and has nothing more then hearsay as to whether he could do more. [/B]
The fact that Itachi is more skilled in it, and has completely owned another sharingan with Tsukiyomi even though Kakashi knew it was a genjutsu. Itachi completely owned a Genjutsu master with his sharingan. Owned Deidara. Sasuke's done what? Use it against a no name guy and fail against the 8-tails. Itachi's had the MS for like..what 10 years almost? Sasuke a couple days. Itachi is also more powerful so it's also stand to reason Tsukiyomi would be more powerful. Just because he broke out of one genjutsu doesn't mean he can break out of every single one.
Sasuke dodged a Amaterasu not meant to hit or kill him...Don't see how that's relevant at all.
And Suigetsu's attack doesn't reflect it back...8-tails would be hit with the attack he threw at Itachi. And Itachi was out of chakra when he used that move, plus dying. Nobody knows how much chakra it takes up. He kept it up a long time without any chakra I'm sure if he used it at the start he'd be fine. Also there are different kinds of genjutsu. Breaking out of one doesn't mean you can break out of another stronger one by a stronger opponent.
Oro was nearly dead and had Sasuke dead to rights...He just tried to take over the body instead of killing him because he needed a body. So yea circumstances. Deidara gave Sasuke a big fight and only lost because of some hax lightning can defuse bombs made from earth element. Sasuke should've died plenty of times in that fight. Itachi..was dying, gave Sasuke all his jutsu, killed Oro, released Sasuke from the cursed seal that would kill him, and all while his brother went all out on him trying to kill him. So yea again circumstances. Just like his defeat of 8-tails his wins have all been pure and utter luck not his actual skill at all. Ever since his win over Naruto which was also pure PIS he hasn't had one real win against anybody worth mentioning. Sasuke also didn't use the MS in that fight until he put him in the genjutus then when he used Amaterasu. Heck most Itachi fights he fought without even using MS until he pulled out the big moves. Same with Kakashi. I don't even think we've seen Tobi use the MS except to teleport. The MS gives you new moves not much else it would seem.
You don't need Madara to tell you Itachi didn't want to kill Sasuke. He gave all his moves to Sasuke, he killed Orochimaru, he was dying, and Zetsu talks about how weakened Itachi was. Not one thing about the battle makes sense with Itachi wanting to kill him. Plus he gave Naruto something because he wanted to save Sasuke. Yea Madara may be the villain and probably lied about a lot but Itachi wasn't one of them. There is also nothing to suggest Sasuke is any stronger at all just that he has Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu while still being just as powerful when he fought Itachi but he lost the cursed seal. Kakashi has the MS but he didn't suddenly jump in power when he used it. The techniques gained are just powerful. And it's not like adding Karin, Suigetsu, or Juugo are really going to make much of a difference. They aren't exactly that high a level and Karin is all but worthless. I like Juugo and but c'mon they've all been useless except to save Sasuke from dying. They don't deserve to be against one of the strongest ninja's of Konoha (Itachi not Sasuke) in a fight.