Snake vs. Nemesis

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you are forgetting projectile energy. remember that he larger cannon rely on special explosive shells to do the destruction and not impact. also, where are you getting the extimate for the power equivalence of the railgun in resident evil? in reality rail guns dont need to CHARGE. capacitors and high power electric supplies work in fractions of a second.

Ok, firstly, prove that the RE cannon relied in special ammo, because it's certainly not from ingame knowlege... The rail gun in MGS2&4 didn'd, and I know you know the MGS series...

Secondly, they both need time to build up energy in the games especially, Rail Guns are highly energy intensive weapons both in-game and in reality.

Building the electricity, then the electromagnetic charge nessisary to fire the slugs no mean feat, it takes longer for the larger gun because of the weight of the ammunition, the ammo in the cannon being several TIMES what it would be in the rifle.

^sigh, i was referring to the DESTROYER cannon you were talking about in terms of projectile energy, not railguns. the time to build up energy can not be compared for the two as it isnt the same worl. heck, the solar gun takes time to build up ebergy, wud u say its stronger than the railgun? the amount of damage it does is key. fortune's railgun can destroy a mini metal gear frog in one hit. and it has MULTIPLE shots if u havent forgotten. but what does it all matter seeing as snake has dealt with stronger enemeis barehanded?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^sigh, i was referring to the DESTROYER cannon you were talking about in terms of projectile energy, not railguns. the time to build up energy can not be compared for the two as it isnt the same worl. heck, the solar gun takes time to build up ebergy, wud u say its stronger than the railgun? the amount of damage it does is key. fortune's railgun can destroy a mini metal gear frog in one hit. and it has MULTIPLE shots if u havent forgotten. but what does it all matter seeing as snake has dealt with stronger enemeis barehanded?

Ok, so now your trying to threow out the comparison as nothing but a connundrum, even though YOU brought it in in the first place?

WTF?!

Ok, The ability to destroy a Gekko is inconsistent, as you can do the same with, say a javelin, REX's weapons... and even the Anti Armour Rifle...

Whats your point? Not one of those feats equals demolishing a generator room with a single strike... let alone pound costal defences into rubble...

Oh, and since when has Snake delt with any stronger foes barehanded? Your reffering to the malfunctioning Grey Fox? Who was barely coherent, and could be brought low by frigging Chaff?!

no you cant, with the javeline and any normal gun, you can shoot at its joints and then go to its head and shoot the SENSORS out. the railgun DESTROYES the gecko nomatter where you aim it{as opposed to disabling} and the shot then pirces to go on to destroy any armoured veheicels/tank/personal/armoured gunship in the way. there is a difference.

chaff was strictly gameplay and optional. the whole fight was HAND TO HAND. he wasnt malfuntioning, that onyl happened AFTER he took a lot of beating from snake. his coeherence felt low near the END of the battle due to lack of meditation and that in itself equalled an attack of electric aura and whatnot which was devestating. if we are to consider big boss's stats, he fought volgin and gene, hand to hand. both superior superhumans to nemesis. oh hey, are we forgetting vamp?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no you cant, with the javeline and any normal gun, you can shoot at its joints and then go to its head and shoot the SENSORS out. the railgun DESTROYES the gecko nomatter where you aim it{as opposed to disabling} and the shot then pirces to go on to destroy any armoured veheicels/tank/personal/armoured gunship in the way. there is a difference.

chaff was strictly gameplay and optional. the whole fight was HAND TO HAND. he wasnt malfuntioning, that onyl happened AFTER he took a lot of beating from snake. his coeherence felt low near the END of the battle due to lack of meditation and that in itself equalled an attack of electric aura and whatnot which was devestating. if we are to consider big boss's stats, he fought volgin and gene, hand to hand. both superior superhumans to nemesis. oh hey, are we forgetting vamp?

Wrong... The Javelins easily decimate a Gekko in single hits, I know because I use it all the time. Not to mention their damage ratings are both at 5,000 a peice so, your analergy = failed. He was stuttering during the opening cutscene...

And no, Big Boss's battles arn't considered, but even if they where, those are separate debates, Gene may outpace Nemesis, but the Bio Weapons regen renders Gene's attacks useless, same with Volgin, Not to mention he's regenerated from FAR worse than anything Vamp has ever EVER regened from... A bullet to the head<<<<<<Dumped in acid, Several 40mm grenades of various caliburs and effects, AT rockets...

Your argument agin was?

^then your playing on easy, it only decimates a gekko when its blast reaches the sensor on its head.

i dont remember him stuttering during his speach, its only his voice sounds like it does due to him being a cyborg and all. gene is also a psychic, did you forget that part? and nemesis regenerating from a volley of volgin's attacks?! puhlease. vamp has regenrated from being shot in the head, from being punded by stingers in a harrier{which made the exoskeletoned solidus lose an eye, and all the punishment he went with against raiden in mgs4. and hey, snake doesnt even have to necessary kill em, just BEAT em, and even jill does that many times wit h normal weapons throughout the game.

Nemesis has a fast healing rate and Snake can only get lucky to heal himself while only carrying a limit of rations. Nemesis can take weapons like the rail gun because I've seen the rail cannon in RE3 and that looked more powerful than the rail gun. Besides, Snake may get distacted with back aches while trying to avoid Nemesis's close range attacks because he's old. Go Nemesis!

Now if only I can find a fan art of Snake getting his butt kicked by Nem. That would be awesome.

But the only time we saw the Rail Cannon in action was when it was hitting Nemesis. Just because the machine was bigger it doesn't mean it is more powerful.

tif he has such a high healing factor then how come he falls half dead after receving punishment from claire, to get up a couple of whole minutes later and then get pumped full of lead and then NEVER get back up again, until the story required it at certain places. and how it looked didn matter. it circular logic to explain the strengh of the rail gun by saying it defeat a being as strong as nemesis and then validate nemesis's strength by saying that it was a being who was ony killed by the railgun. with the metal gear rail gun, atleast we have feats. snake will pummel nemesis with his bare hands{i know, a wierd things to imagine visually, but its true}.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^then your playing on easy, it only decimates a gekko when its blast reaches the sensor on its head.

i dont remember him stuttering during his speach, its only his voice sounds like it does due to him being a cyborg and all. gene is also a psychic, did you forget that part? and nemesis regenerating from a volley of volgin's attacks?! puhlease. vamp has regenrated from being shot in the head, from being punded by stingers in a harrier{which made the exoskeletoned solidus lose an eye, and all the punishment he went with against raiden in mgs4. and hey, snake doesnt even have to necessary kill em, just BEAT em, and even jill does that many times wit h normal weapons throughout the game.

Way to underestimate someone who's already gotten the Big Boss emblem...

Yes, Nemesis regenerating from that is very easy considering he's regened from far worse, like a severd head and lost body parts.

And how long does Jill Last before he finds her again? mere minutes, Snakes ammo will run dry before he beats Nemesis, and lets not forget, Nemesis is a hella stronger than Snake here...

@ Zack: You want to know what the damage was based on? Try this, it took Fortune 4 shots to down that unreinforced walkway, meanwhile, the Rail Cannon in a single shot gouged an 8ft wide hole in a very large chunk of machinery... abough 4 yards thick, it bored straight through it.

Mathematically, if the Rail Cannon was allowed 4 shots, it would have demolished a fairly decent sized chunk of Shell 1 2nd pod.

you guys do the math, and remember, this wasn't enough to actually kill Nemesis, merely immobilise it long enough for Jill to cap it with 4 .357 magnum shots.

so 4. 357 magnum shots can kill nemesis but multiple shots from the railgun that snake has cant?! btw, fortune aimed it first at the soldiers, after that, she was just shooting for fun, and busting straight through a frog and going on to bust throught anyhting else in the path tells me that you are very much underestimating fortune's railgun. also, is nemesis a harder enemy than crying wolf???

and your trying to avoid my original point, nemesis only comes into the picture when the game requires it, if you defeat him twice, with jill and your average weapons{which is very possible} he does NOT get up again and lies indefinately in a pool of his own purple blood until the next time the story calls for him, and even jill is fast enough to outrun him and dodge his attacks as well as survive sum of his grabbing attacks. so now what, snake is inferior to jill?! gray fox is a helluva lot stronger than nemesis and volgin and gene are a helluva lot stronger than nemesis but snake/boss took em out in pure hand to hand{ok maybe not completely true for gene but still, mostly}. nemesis doesnt stand a chance.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

nemesis only comes into the picture when the game requires it, if you defeat him twice, with jill and your average weapons{which is very possible} [B]he does NOT get up again and lies indefinately in a pool of his own purple blood until the next time the story calls for him, [/B]

Unfortunaly not the case, Yes you do defeat him not Kill all that happens with him is he gets stronger and faster everytime you defeat him.

and yet again, EVERY time he geats beat by CLAIRE.

Claire?.........WTF ??

i meant jill, sorry.

ABC Logic is the fail anyway.
Snake bea ta lot of people he couldn't logically beat either.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
so 4. 357 magnum shots can kill nemesis but multiple shots from the railgun that snake has cant?! btw, fortune aimed it first at the soldiers, after that, she was just shooting for fun, and busting straight through a frog and going on to bust throught anyhting else in the path tells me that you are very much underestimating fortune's railgun. also, is nemesis a harder enemy than crying wolf???

and your trying to avoid my original point, nemesis only comes into the picture when the game requires it, if you defeat him twice, with jill and your average weapons{which is very possible} he does NOT get up again and lies indefinately in a pool of his own purple blood until the next time the story calls for him, and even jill is fast enough to outrun him and dodge his attacks as well as survive sum of his grabbing attacks. so now what, snake is inferior to jill?! gray fox is a helluva lot stronger than nemesis and volgin and gene are a helluva lot stronger than nemesis but snake/boss took em out in pure hand to hand{ok maybe not completely true for gene but still, mostly}. nemesis doesnt stand a chance.

Did you just read what you wrote?

Your really not reading anything... Read this then, Rail Cannon followed BY 4 magnum rounds is what it took to kill him, and even then, only after all the punishment he took during the game.

Your using gameplay loggic to argue what actually is, Nemesis gets up from anything he gets shot with, Snake cannot hope to down him permanently, not with the armaments he's got right now.

I didn't say he's inferior to Jill, your not listening again, all I said was, what is Snake going to do? he's not going to have the massive plot device of a stationary generator powered Rail Cannon or a vat of industrial acid to stop Nemesis permanently.

4 magnum shots are nuthing compared to fortune's rail gun. the POINT im tryin to make is that that stationary railgun DID kill him{since 5 shots from magnum are superficial damage in comparison. and comparing powers of the stationary railgun with fortune's railgun, its easy to see that the powers are compareable, if fortune's isnt better. the plus side, fortune's railgun has MULTIPLE shots while the stationary railgun only had one, which was enough to kill nemesis. to nemesis is screwed against fortune's railgun even in his most powerful form.

ALL of nemesis is gameplay, its active time choices if you havent forgotten, that lead to him dying. so that isnt a factor. jill does DEFEAT him many times throughout the game. there is also the point of snake beating in hand to hand, foes much more powerful and destructive then nemesis. basically, nemesis is as good as dead.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
4 magnum shots are nuthing compared to fortune's rail gun. the POINT im tryin to make is that that stationary railgun DID kill him{since 5 shots from magnum are superficial damage in comparison. and comparing powers of the stationary railgun with fortune's railgun, its easy to see that the powers are compareable, if fortune's isnt better. the plus side, fortune's railgun has MULTIPLE shots while the stationary railgun only had one, which was enough to kill nemesis. to nemesis is screwed against fortune's railgun even in his most powerful form.

ALL of nemesis is gameplay, its active time choices if you havent forgotten, that lead to him dying. so that isnt a factor. jill does DEFEAT him many times throughout the game. there is also the point of snake beating in hand to hand, foes much more powerful and destructive then nemesis. basically, nemesis is as good as dead.

Your overestimating the Rail Rifle while downplaying the cannon Leon, How do you compare damage when, I have already proven that the damage doen, both visually and gameplay wise is easily in the cannons favour... ! destroyed unsupported bridge =5 shots from the rifle =/= one cored power room with a single shot that leaves an 8 ft wide hole...

As I said before, The Rail Rifle is powerful, but nowhere near enough to core ship armour like the Cannon does. it's simply out of it's league, and remember, the cannon didn't actually kill nemesis, weakened yes, but didn't kill it.

Lol, more destructive... Where? we see Nemesis busting through walls, derailing trans, powing through reinforced compounds while damaged... AND throwing people around like the Hulk, even in gameplay. Even Volgin can't do half that shit in gameplay and he's the physically strongest pure flesh and blood SOB in the metal gear universe, then you have Raiden and Grey fox, who have plenty of mean feats in cutscenes, but in gameplay they suck donkeys and you can't deny it... even when playing as grey fox in the virtual missions expansion, he relied in the electrofield and sword, he had no strength based attacks ala Volgin...

Your still underestimating Nemesis just like you do in every other thread that involves RE vs MG... 💃

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Your overestimating the Rail Rifle while downplaying the cannon Leon, How do you compare damage when, I have already proven that the damage doen, both visually and gameplay wise is easily in the cannons favour... ! destroyed unsupported bridge =5 shots from the rifle =/= one cored power room with a single shot that leaves an 8 ft wide hole...

As I said before, The Rail Rifle is powerful, but nowhere near enough to core ship armour like the Cannon does. it's simply out of it's league, and remember, the cannon didn't actually kill nemesis, weakened yes, but didn't kill it.

Lol, more destructive... Where? we see Nemesis busting through walls, derailing trans, powing through reinforced compounds while damaged... AND throwing people around like the Hulk, even in gameplay. Even Volgin can't do half that shit in gameplay and he's the physically strongest pure flesh and blood SOB in the metal gear universe, then you have Raiden and Grey fox, who have plenty of mean feats in cutscenes, but in gameplay they suck donkeys and you can't deny it... even when playing as grey fox in the virtual missions expansion, he relied in the electrofield and sword, he had no strength based attacks ala Volgin...

Your still underestimating Nemesis just like you do in every other thread that involves RE vs MG... 💃

Can you show me a video of that? I think I know what you are talking about, but just show me so I can remember.

Of course the cannon is more powerful than the rifle. Everyone knows that.

Don't say he throws people around like the Hulk does. He is nowhere near being stronger than Hulk. Your crazy if you think that. How do you know Volgin can't do that? You do have a point. 😆 Suck donkeys. That's hilarious.

He does underestimate Nemesis, just like you underestimate Snake.