Snake vs. Nemesis

I don't do youtube... Sorry mate but my computer is older than I am...

Apparently not Leon here..

Figure of speech, I never said he was as strong as the Hulk, but he dosses people around by their faces one handed... And as for Volgin doing it, he's never demonmstrated it, the closest being his electified bullet enhanced punching of a dude in a drum barrel, which, while impressive, aint quite the same thing... and Volgin had already beat the crap out of that barrel as it was.

I aint underestimating Snake, I'm just taking the most objective view there is given each characters strengths and weaknesses. Snake simply doesn't have the right tools to face Nemesis at the moment.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Your overestimating the Rail Rifle while downplaying the cannon Leon, How do you compare damage when, I have already proven that the damage doen, both visually and gameplay wise is easily in the cannons favour... ! destroyed unsupported bridge =5 shots from the rifle =/= one cored power room with a single shot that leaves an 8 ft wide hole...

As I said before, The Rail Rifle is powerful, but nowhere near enough to core ship armour like the Cannon does. it's simply out of it's league, and remember, the cannon didn't actually kill nemesis, weakened yes, but didn't kill it.

Lol, more destructive... Where? we see Nemesis busting through walls, derailing trans, powing through reinforced compounds while damaged... AND throwing people around like the Hulk, even in gameplay. Even Volgin can't do half that shit in gameplay and he's the physically strongest pure flesh and blood SOB in the metal gear universe, then you have Raiden and Grey fox, who have plenty of mean feats in cutscenes, but in gameplay they suck donkeys and you can't deny it... even when playing as grey fox in the virtual missions expansion, he relied in the electrofield and sword, he had no strength based attacks ala Volgin...

Your still underestimating Nemesis just like you do in every other thread that involves RE vs MG... 💃

no you havent, fortune was firing without charging if you havent forgotten. and she was aiming at the MEN, who were being blown away in the air, and again, the railgun can bring down a frog/armloured acp and anything else in its path without stopping, including gunships, in one charged shot. and saying the cannon didnt kill nemesis is like saying, an rpg didnt kill the abominable snowman, cause then we had to prick it with a needle {kinda like the straw that broke the camel's back}, it pretty much DID kill him as magnum bullets are hardly the tip of the iceberg comparef to the cannon.

volgin punched through the shagohod which wasnt even scratched by an rpg with a heat wrahead. he punched through concrete and i beleive he wasnt using bullets when punching the barrel. and ur using gameplay again. raiden and gray fox have even higher strength feats than volgin, much higher. playing as gray fox in the virtual missions doesnt have that variety because on the ps1, the gameplay mechanics shown on screen cant be put in the playing version as there arents enough button on the controller not the console has the processing power to pull them of in real gameplay. doesnt mean the character cant do em. and again, snake beat em in hand to hand so..... nemesis is pretty much screwed.

Okay this is just stupid.

I was joking about it, but honestly, there is no realistic way Snake should take this unless he gets Metal Gear Rex.

Fact is, ALOT of Snake's victories, should not of happened.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no you havent, fortune was firing without charging if you havent forgotten. and she was aiming at the MEN, who were being blown away in the air, and again, the railgun can bring down a frog/armloured acp and anything else in its path without stopping, including gunships, in one charged shot. and saying the cannon didnt kill nemesis is like saying, an rpg didnt kill the abominable snowman, cause then we had to prick it with a needle {kinda like the straw that broke the camel's back}, it pretty much DID kill him as magnum bullets are hardly the tip of the iceberg comparef to the cannon.

volgin punched through the shagohod which wasnt even scratched by an rpg with a heat wrahead. he punched through concrete and i beleive he wasnt using bullets when punching the barrel. and ur using gameplay again. raiden and gray fox have even higher strength feats than volgin, much higher. playing as gray fox in the virtual missions doesnt have that variety because on the ps1, the gameplay mechanics shown on screen cant be put in the playing version as there arents enough button on the controller not the console has the processing power to pull them of in real gameplay. doesnt mean the character cant do em. and again, snake beat em in hand to hand so..... nemesis is pretty much screwed.

I honestly refuse to beleive your still trying to defend this...

Show me where it brought DOWN an APC, unless of course your reffering to Gameplay... And even then ACP/Gunship<<<Battleship...

Your nitpicking again, AND changing your story to suit yourself, Now the rail gun killed Nemesis all ok it's own right... GTFO.

Volgin punching through a damaged Shagohod is not quite the feat you make it out to be, it was already heavily damaged, had holes in it and even some of the plates peeling off, and yes, Volgin had the 7.65mm rifle bullets in each hand, 4 of them in each hand during the last attack on the barrel. Nice try though.

Tell me again, why Fox's punches and kicks didn't splatter, or at the very least send opponents flying in VR then? AND if you hadn't noticed, the same amount of buttons on the PS1 Dualshock exist in the PS3 genius.

What is Snake going to DO to win? Answer= Nuthin, he's going to retreat, unless he wants to become a new Virus Carrier.

^ im not TRYING to defend it, im FIRMLY defending it from the beginning

yes well, most of the railgun feats ARE gameplay, you also forgot the charging part, and snake taking out all those geckos when vamp is fighting raiden is completely cannon

im noy nitpicking, im not changing my story. magnum shots can not even easily put down a NORMAL nemesis let alone the mutated one, its stupid to think that they were anything more than the straw that broke the camel's back. point being, "stop" using the "even THAT railgun cudnt KILL nemesis", because it pretty much did.

its outer shell wasnt damaged, its INSIDES and TRACKS weredamaged, volgin punched throught the shielded part which was exactly what we CUDNT damage. and seeing as how even heat warheaded rpg's cudnt do anything, the 7.62 rounds certainly cant do anything to it. its just volgin's style to use em. the damage was caused by HIS punch.

so wait, your willing to not accept gameplay feats of the railgun btu wiling to accept ps1 gameplay VR{which isnt even cannon} feats to back up your argument. you will remember that even though the same controller was used in mgs4 and mgs1 , the DIFFERENCE in your ability to interact with the enviornment and perform complex actions is HUMOUNGOUS. the ps1 engine didnt have the capability to put such thinngs in. so gray fox's performance can NOT be judged by his vr missions. it CAN however be judged by the CANNON cutscenes in mgs1 and twin snakes, and that says more than enough.

what is snake going to do to win? cqc his ass in every attack, break his bones/tendons, slash all hs vitals with his knife, cut out his eye, obliterate him witht the railgun/multiple types of rocket launchers he has, incinerate him with phosphorous grenades/plastic explosives etc, or just defeat him with bullets, or hti him as hard as he was hitting fox{to make electricity come out of his damaged exoskeleton} or volgin and just defeat him that way. remember, even jill can easily DEFEAT him, its only KILLING thats hard, and with the railgun etc, snake is more than capable of doing that too.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

im noy nitpicking, im not changing my story. magnum shots can not even easily put down a NORMAL nemesis let alone the mutated one, its stupid to think that they were anything more than the straw that broke the camel's back. point being, "stop" using the "even THAT railgun cudnt KILL nemesis", because it pretty much did.

The railgun did'nt killl off nemesis it was jill with her magnum that finished him off

**** go play Resident evil 3 again............

I'm sill waiting for someone to show Volgin having the bullets in his hands when he hit the Shagohod.
I've heard the claim a few times now.

DZ is right thought hat Volgin is the strongest pure flesh-and-blood person in MGS. Only the cyborgs are stronger.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Volgin punching through a damaged Shagohod is not quite the feat you make it out to be, it was already heavily damaged, had holes in it and even some of the plates peeling off, and yes, Volgin had the 7.65mm rifle bullets in each hand, 4 of them in each hand during the last attack on the barrel. Nice try though..

gene's strength can definately challenge volgin though.

and the railgun very nearly did kill nemesis, and the magnum was just the straw that broke the camel's back, unlesss ofcourse, your saying that nemesis can be damaged mortally by just magnum bullets.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

and the railgun very nearly did kill nemesis, and the magnum was just the straw that broke the camel's back,.

Pretty much.....

Listen to what you just said... Then smack yourself.

Magnum Round, 4 of them, any one enough to kill snake singularly, and it took 4 of them point blank range to finally finish an already severely damaged Nemesis.

All I ask you to prove is HOW is Snake going to win this Leon? He can't down him permanently with anything he's got. The Rail Rifle would be pretty good choice if it did enough damage, but the sad fact is, it cannot match the cannon in terms of the raw damage needed to down Nemesis. Are you seriously now suggesting that the Rail Rifle can replicate what the Cannon did?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Listen to what you just said... Then smack yourself.

Magnum Round, 4 of them, any one enough to kill snake singularly, and it took 4 of them point blank range to finally finish an already severely damaged Nemesis.

All I ask you to prove is HOW is Snake going to win this Leon? He can't down him permanently with anything he's got. The Rail Rifle would be pretty good choice if it did enough damage, but the sad fact is, it cannot match the cannon in terms of the raw damage needed to down Nemesis. Are you seriously now suggesting that the Rail Rifle can replicate what the Cannon did?

.. why do you call it a c-box?

...I don't know. mmm

A c-box is a box on forums that you can install that the members can use to IM with.

Shut up

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So whats the verdict on this fight now ?

Originally posted by NemeBro
That's not all true, when he hit the barrel, he had no bullets in his hands.

Are you so sure of that?

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4 year ninja'd 😛

I still say that Nemesis would win this, it is close tho.

Damn! I just realised 've been a KMC member for 7 years now!

Snake has CQC'd much stronger opponents like Vamp and has a hypersonic feat.

Snake wins. kruemelmonsteryn0