Orion vs Gamora

Originally posted by Desaad
Wait, so he has access to the Astro Force as well?

Orion 10/10, seriously.

I thought this was a hand to hand battle. The best 'speed blitzes' you can come up with for Gamora just barely match what we've seen from Orion. They are all against foes that have zero super speed on their own. She isn't half as strong as him, isn't half as durable as he is.

Ronan took her down, along with her furies, Orion should be able to do the same even easier.

Exactly, Orion already defeated a character similar to Gamora. With the exception of h2h skill which may slightly favor her, he is vastly her superior in every other respect...not even closly contested if u ask me. Watever slight advantage she has in h2h skill and even combat speed wouldn't narrow his other glarring advantages. As it's already been shown, Orion has speedblitz on opponents with fairly exceptional reflex...not to mention he single handily did slay a group of powerful new gods whom are all hovering on top tier levels. Orion 10/10

Originally posted by Soljer
Astro knows what he's talking about.

So, Galan your telling me with her h2h skill and being very good and dodging and counter punching that she couldn't hit Orion with the God Slayer at least once. It quite clear that Orion can be hit and has been hit by various people. I believe Orion takes the majority but in no way does Orion have superior combat speed or h2h skill and I feel that Gamora quick reflexes and counter punching she's shown could surely get her a victory or two.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, Galan your telling me with her h2h skill and being very good and dodging and counter punching that she couldn't hit Orion with the God Slayer at least once. It quite clear that Orion can be hit and has been hit by various people. I believe Orion takes the majority but in no way does Orion have superior combat speed or h2h skill and I feel that Gamora quick reflexes and counter punching she's shown could surely get her a victory or two.

This is ridiculous Gamora is the more agile of these two, she would be the one dropping bombs on Orions big ass, not the other way around. Yes she would be able to hit him.

Gamora got the title of most dangerous woman in the universe for more reasons than the fact that shes drawn as a super hot chick. She's agile enough to kick Orion in his face as a feint and be behind him stabbing him in the back (as seen when she squared off against Thanos).

When she sparred with Thanos he was unable to hit her even once, and had to use subterfuge in order to grab her. If she was out to kill Orion trust me, he would be hurting after the dust settled.

Orion would take a slight majority over her but he wouldn't be using her as a punching bag. Maxam sparred with her to no avail, she one shotted the Thing, and Rage with a nerve strike, and took heavy hits from Ronan without slowing down.

Orion is not steam rolling this chick.

Orion may have had his way with a bootleg Gamora but she was cleary inferior. Just because Night Thrasher has great moves doesn't mean he's taking Batman, for example.

Just one little problem. Orion has an unbreakable forcefield when he's using the astro force. When his shields are up, they've never been broken.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Just one little problem. Orion has an unbreakable forcefield when he's using the astro force. When his shields are up, they've never been broken.

Do you have any proof of a character trying to break these unbreakable fields in the form of a scan?

[QUOTE=11041643]Originally posted by CaptainStoic
[B]This is ridiculous Gamora is the more agile of these two, she would be the one dropping bombs on Orions big ass, not the other way around. Yes she would be able to hit him.

Gamora got the title of most dangerous woman in the universe for more reasons than the fact that shes drawn as a super hot chick. She's agile enough to kick Orion in his face as a feint and be behind him stabbing him in the back (as seen when she squared off against Thanos).

When she sparred with Thanos he was unable to hit her even once, and had to use subterfuge in order to grab her. If she was out to kill Or

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
This is ridiculous Gamora is the more agile of these two, she would be the one dropping bombs on Orions big ass, not the other way around. Yes she would be able to hit him.

Gamora got the title of most dangerous woman in the universe for more reasons than the fact that shes drawn as a super hot chick. She's agile enough to kick Orion in his face as a feint and be behind him stabbing him in the back (as seen when she squared off against Thanos).

When she sparred with Thanos he was unable to hit her even once, and had to use subterfuge in order to grab her. If she was out to kill Orion trust me, he would be hurting after the dust settled.

Orion would take a slight majority over her but he wouldn't be using her as a punching bag. Maxam sparred with her to no avail, she one shotted the Thing, and Rage with a nerve strike, and took heavy hits from Ronan without slowing down.

Orion is not steam rolling this chick.

Orion may have had his way with a bootleg Gamora but she was cleary inferior. Just because Night Thrasher has great moves doesn't mean he's taking Batman, for example.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
This is ridiculous Gamora is the more agile of these two, she would be the one dropping bombs on Orions big ass, not the other way around. Yes she would be able to hit him.

Gamora got the title of most dangerous woman in the universe for more reasons than the fact that shes drawn as a super hot chick. She's agile enough to kick Orion in his face as a feint and be behind him stabbing him in the back (as seen when she squared off against Thanos).

When she sparred with Thanos he was unable to hit her even once, and had to use subterfuge in order to grab her. If she was out to kill Orion trust me, he would be hurting after the dust settled.

Orion would take a slight majority over her but he wouldn't be using her as a punching bag. Maxam sparred with her to no avail, she one shotted the Thing, and Rage with a nerve strike, and took heavy hits from Ronan without slowing down.

Orion is not steam rolling this chick.

Orion may have had his way with a bootleg Gamora but she was cleary inferior. Just because Night Thrasher has great moves doesn't mean he's taking Batman, for example.

Shit sorry for the tripple post, damn computer is acting wonky and I cant delete my previous psot for some reason. Anyhow on to the topic...

Thanos not being able to tag her in combat isnt exactly a impressive feat...Thanos is not a speedster in h2h combat nor is he some accomplished MA. Secondly, Orion has oneshotted kali and stalemated a enraged sun amped supes that was outclassing the JL...i dont know how many times i need to get that point accross. He pwned slig whom is a certified class 100 in addition to all of his mutant creatures and sole'd a group of new gods whom were all approaching top tier levels...this is evident by the fact that one of the same newgods was giving supes some trouble.

Orion already defeated a character identical to Gamora...and exaclty what feats does she have over someone as powerful as Orion. Watever h2h ability or combat speed advantage she does have and remeber thats a big IF wouldnt matter because he literally dwarfs her in all other aspects. She is complelty out of her leauge here.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Just one little problem. Orion has an unbreakable forcefield when he's using the astro force. When his shields are up, they've never been broken.

Another little problem, Orion blitz DS...DS who in turn is capable of this http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/NewGodsv310-19.jpg

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Another little problem, Orion blitz DS...DS who in turn is capable of this http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/NewGodsv310-19.jpg

Now now, what have we been talking about on KMC since the dawn of whatever?

Flight speed does not equate to combat speed, without the harness Orion has yet to be seen moving faster than Beta Ray Bill while not flying. Let's not try to make it seem like Orion is so fast that he can vibrate the corpuscles in his body to make it nearly impossible to lay a finger on him.

Also noted is that any martial artist knows that if the same style opposes the same style, the person that wins will be the more adept fighter.... being from an entirely different universe would suggest that Gamora's fighting style is not the same as Kali's... and Thanos is an accompilshed martial artist, and swordsman.

Like i said Gamora would lose but she would give orion hell. before she went down.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Now now, what have we been talking about on KMC since the dawn of whatever?

Flight speed does not equate to combat speed, without the harness Orion has yet to be seen moving faster than Beta Ray Bill while not flying. Let's not try to make it seem like Orion is so fast that he can vibrate the corpuscles in his body to make it nearly impossible to lay a finger on him.

Also noted is that any martial artist knows that if the same style opposes the same style, the person that wins will be the more adept fighter.... being from an entirely different universe would suggest that Gamora's fighting style is not the same as Kali's... and Thanos is an accompilshed martial artist, and swordsman.

Like i said Gamora would lose but she would give orion hell. before she went down.

Give him hell...considering a group of new gods or slig or even mantis did I doubt she will. On that note the scan I provided was just to demonstrate DS movement, he has already stated to react in nanosecons and even backhanded a charging Supes who just a few seconds before speedblitz him. There still isnt anything to suggest she has a advantage in combat speed or h2h skill and I seriously doubt she could trade blows with Supes and even a FP DS and come away unharmed. He is above her in the sameway WWH is above Thing.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Shit sorry for the tripple post, damn computer is acting wonky and I cant delete my previous psot for some reason. Anyhow on to the topic...

Thanos not being able to tag her in combat isnt exactly a impressive feat...Thanos is not a speedster in h2h combat nor is he some accomplished MA. Secondly, Orion has oneshotted kali and stalemated a enraged sun amped supes that was outclassing the JL...i dont know how many times i need to get that point accross. He pwned slig whom is a certified class 100 in addition to all of his mutant creatures and sole'd a group of new gods whom were all approaching top tier levels...this is evident by the fact that one of the same newgods was giving supes some trouble.

Orion already defeated a character identical to Gamora...and exaclty what feats does she have over someone as powerful as Orion. Watever h2h ability or combat speed advantage she does have and remeber thats a big IF wouldnt matter because he literally dwarfs her in all other aspects. She is complelty out of her leauge here.

Well Trickster said Orion has an unbreakable forcefield, and if Trickster said it then it must be true.

So Orion wins.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, Galan your telling me with her h2h skill and being very good and dodging and counter punching that she couldn't hit Orion with the God Slayer at least once. It quite clear that Orion can be hit and has been hit by various people. I believe Orion takes the majority but in no way does Orion have superior combat speed or h2h skill and I feel that Gamora quick reflexes and counter punching she's shown could surely get her a victory or two.

I'm arguing that with the Astro Harness, which allows flight, and the Astro Force, which allows him to kill her without ever touching her, and with his skill and combat speed and strength that any blow she is going to get on him is going to be glancing and not a death blow.

Recall, the Magus was certainly able to stop that blow without much issue and I don't believe it's ever actually hit anyone and worked.

Originally posted by joshypooh
Uxas has never demonstrated anything resembling combat speed.

Sure he has. In his battle with Orion, and the fact that he moved faster than Superman could see, grabbing him by the throat.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
[and Thanos is an accompilshed martial artist, and swordsman.

[/B]

Haha, WHAT?

Proof, please.

Originally posted by Desaad
Sure he has. In his battle with Orion, and the fact that he moved faster than Superman could see, grabbing him by the throat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We dont know how fast Orion and Darkseid were moving at. Sure he is quick. But,I dont think he posesses the same combat speed we have seen Superman possess. Plenty of other characters have caught Superman off guard who dont possess superspeed. Just because they do,we dont assume they have superspeed as well.

True that, its like DBZ. Watching the part where Freiza fighting SSJ1 Goku look faster then SSJ3 Goku fighting Buu, they just slowed it down for viewers to see that all. Same with comic's.

Make the dramatic effect great.

True Orion was speed blitzing Dog warrior of DS, but they were only superior to average human sense's... Superman would of seen how slow DS and Orion was traveling... " eh I see you" 💃 lolz

Originally posted by quanchi112
We dont know how fast Orion and Darkseid were moving at. Sure he is quick. But,I dont think he posesses the same combat speed we have seen Superman possess. Plenty of other characters have caught Superman off guard who dont possess superspeed. Just because they do,we dont assume they have superspeed as well.

Have you ever seen a without super speed character move so fast that Superman couldn't see them move, that he specifically said so?

I'd love to see a reference for that.

And the speed lines should make it clear what was going on in the Orion/Darkseid fight. It was super speed, even if it wasn't light or anything like that.

It's certainly more impressive than ANYTHING we have EVER seen from Thanos, speed wise.

Its not as if it takes a character with a large amount of skill or speed to keep Gamora away. She's made it clear that she wouldn't have been able to get past the Thing if Sasquatch hadn't held him for her to deliver a nerve strike, and Wolverine stalemated her and then managed to stick her in the stomach when something happened that distracted her.