Orion vs Gamora

Started by Desaad6 pages
Originally posted by Red Hulk
That's the same as when someone one-punches someone and says "He's a tough guy!".

What?

One is an expression, the other is a flat statement about what she was or was not capable of doing.

Totally different.

Plus, she's never fought Ben before, so why would she know anything about him in that aspect?

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Obviously she had taken his measure during the course of the fight and decided that, yes, she was incapable of getting to him.

It's right there on the page, nothing to interpret.

Originally posted by Desaad
What?

One is an expression, the other is a flat statement about what she was or was not capable of doing.

Totally different.

Obviously she had taken his measure during the course of the fight and decided that, yes, she was incapable of getting to him.

It's right there on the page, nothing to interpret.

It's akin. And she was pretty much giving Sassy his dues with the help of distracting such a 'big fisted' opponent.
Either way, the mere notion of the comment makes no sense even if we do hold onto it for dear life.

Gamora can't get by Thing's monstrous fist? I don't see how her saying this means anything... unless we ignore her entire history. Plus, this statement holds no relevance in this thread even if true.

What fight? Aren't you the one who was using Gamora fighting Thanos as evidence that Thanos can't fight? Thanos certainly is bigger than Thing. Don't you see a problem?

If you're talking about the Wolverine/Gamora fight, then there isn't anything to interpet. It was a one/two panel fight that ended with Gamora getting cheapshotted. Hell they were pretty much hitting each other's weapons in the one panel we did see. I don't see how this is supposed to mean anything.

Originally posted by Desaad
I never said that you did.

They were clearly fighting as fast as they could, and moving at great speeds - the Speed lines alone indicate this.

That being the case, we know from Simonson's portrayal of Orion that he DID have super speed.

Which means they were fighting at super speed. Again, not Superman level super speed, but super speed.

Yeah. To become FASTER.

A super speed character beat Thanos.

Yes. I can also see that he was genuinely trying to hit her, as indicated by Drax and Adam Warlock. The outcome of the battle is not in contention; the implications of the way it played out, with Thanos unable to lay a gloved hand on her, or an energy blast on her, is obvious to anyone who goes into it with eyes open.

She wasn't powerful enough to seriously take down or hurt Thanos. But she was fast enough, skilled enough and strong enough to avoid everything he was doing and even get a little blood here and there.

Ok,so why are you arguing with me about Gamora and Orion then.

No,they werent. They were moving quickly,but how quickly we will never know. The point is isnt as quick as Supes and we just dont know. So,lets quit arguing about it. Our minds are made up.

The space gem gave him the ability to mentally teleport. That has nothing to do with speed. Sure,he is very,very fast,but the space gem gave him an unfair advantage. Space gem makes ya faster than any flash.

And? Thanos killed her once. Captain Marvel has danced around Thanos as well,but he didnt best him in combat. Sooner or later Thanos is going to connect. His durability can take Odin blasts. So,I feel that it is safe to say he is quite durable.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
That's the same as when someone one-punches someone and says "He's a tough guy!".
Plus, she's never fought Ben before, so why would she know anything about him in that aspect?

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And she stalemated Ronan who would annihilate the Thing. His whole argument rests on comparing Gamora to the Thing and Wolverine. Hell,I never said that Gamora could even beat Orion.

People are of course overestimating Gamora's agility and skill. Orion is himself quite agile and skillful in combat, the differences in those departments between the two is negligible IMO. Beyond that Orion has more than one way of winning the fight.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
It's akin.

It's really not.

If I say I can't do something...that generally means I can't do it. If I say 'You're tough!' thats an exclamation of your formidability, but in no way indicates my ability or inability to defeat you.

And she was pretty much giving Sassy his dues with the help of distracting such a 'big fisted' opponent.
Either way, the mere notion of the comment makes no sense even if we do hold onto it for dear life.

Haha, so you've got nothing to back yourself up at all? This is all conjecture on your part, that goes against the statement itself?

Gamora can't get by Thing's monstrous fist? I don't see how her saying this means anything... unless we ignore her entire history. Plus, this statement holds no relevance in this thread even if true.

You're scrambling for any way to discount this, but we both know that it stands. She said what she said and meant it, clearly. Was Sasquatch just giving Thing his due, too?

What fight? Aren't you the one who was using Gamora fighting Thanos as evidence that Thanos can't fight? Thanos certainly is bigger than Thing. Don't you see a problem?

No, because I accept that showings are going to be different under different circumstances, due to the needs of the story. I don't discount that. Gamora's showing against Thanos was undoubtedly a high one. The best conclusion we can draw from the comparison is that Ben Grimm is a better fighter than Thanos.

If you're talking about the Wolverine/Gamora fight, then there isn't anything to interpet. It was a one/two panel fight that ended with Gamora getting cheapshotted. Hell they were pretty much hitting each other's weapons in the one panel we did see. I don't see how this is supposed to mean anything.

The fight was supposed to have taken place for a bit off panel, then she gets distracted and Wolverine cheapshots her (this, of course, is also an indictment of her battle focus as Wolverine DIDN'T get distracted and she did).

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok,so why are you arguing with me about Gamora and Orion then.

You're agreeing with the outcome, but misinterpreting the evidence. I'm correcting you on that.

No,they werent. They were moving quickly,but how quickly we will never know. The point is isnt as quick as Supes and we just dont know. So,lets quit arguing about it. Our minds are made up.

What bothers me is that all you have is your opinion. I have in comic evidence, the nature of the scene itself. What you've got is...well, you don't want it to be true, because it is something that Darkseid would have over Thanos.

Do you see why I am harping on all this? You desperately deny everything because of what it might mean for your pet character. That bothers me.

The space gem gave him the ability to mentally teleport. That has nothing to do with speed. Sure,he is very,very fast,but the space gem gave him an unfair advantage. Space gem makes ya faster than any flash.

Proof that the Runner was faster than the Flash with the space gem, please?

And? Thanos killed her once. Captain Marvel has danced around Thanos as well,but he didnt best him in combat. Sooner or later Thanos is going to connect. His durability can take Odin blasts. So,I feel that it is safe to say he is quite durable.

Yeah, Mar-Vell actually gave Pre-Res Thanos some trouble as well. Those are two very weak characters, but they were both able to give Thanos some trouble with speed and skill. Gamora drew blood. Mar-Vell was knocking Thanos around.

Saying "Thanos is powerful enough to take blasts from Odin" is getting tiresome - that was one showing, yes, but clearly he's not always operating at that level as he has been cut by axes and sent flying by blasters and knocked down by mindcontrolled morg (and he needed to get saved by Ganymede in that one), etc.

You're going to have to learn to accept that your fave character does lose, isn't all powerful.

Originally posted by Desaad
You're agreeing with the outcome, but misinterpreting the evidence. I'm correcting you on that.

What bothers me is that all you have is your opinion. I have in comic evidence, the nature of the scene itself. What you've got is...well, you don't want it to be true, because it is something that Darkseid would have over Thanos.

Do you see why I am harping on all this? You desperately deny everything because of what it might mean for your pet character. That bothers me.

Proof that the Runner was faster than the Flash with the space gem, please?

Yeah, Mar-Vell actually gave Pre-Res Thanos some trouble as well. Those are two very weak characters, but they were both able to give Thanos some trouble with speed and skill. Gamora drew blood. Mar-Vell was knocking Thanos around.

Saying "Thanos is powerful enough to take blasts from Odin" is getting tiresome - that was one showing, yes, but clearly he's not always operating at that level as he has been cut by axes and sent flying by blasters and knocked down by mindcontrolled morg (and he needed to get saved by Ganymede in that one), etc.

You're going to have to learn to accept that your fave character does lose, isn't all powerful.

No,you are singling out one fight instead of her entire history.

When did I ever say that Thanos is quicker than Darkseid? He was moving quickly but the comic doesnt state anything close to resembling superspeed. Thats your interpretation,not mine.

What am I denying?

He was mentally teleporting which is faster than the Flash. Should I put up scans?

Mar-vell didnt beat Thanos and he was much weaker than after his upgrade. Gamora caused him to bleed. Big whoop. Doomsday killed Superman in dos and there wasnt an ounce of blood spilled. Just because I bloody your nose that doesnt mean I am going to beat you in a fight.

Yes,that was one showing. he also stood up to Tyrant and took blasts from him as well. He also took on power gem Thor. He also took on the Maker. He also defeated the Silver Surfer very quickly and easily. Notice a pattern is developing. You are starting to sound like nver with that blood argument.

The Runner is much faster than the Flash, because he has the ability to teleport to any destination instantly, so although we cab debate whetehr or not the Flash could arrive 200 miles away faster than the Runner, there really is no dispute who would get to another universe faster.

Originally posted by Allankles
People are of course overestimating Gamora's agility and skill. Orion is himself quite agile and skillful in combat, the differences in those departments between the two is negligible IMO. Beyond that Orion has more than one way of winning the fight.

Even if she did have a edge in h2h skill and combat speed what good would it do, a small advantage vs a wealth of overwhealming advantages in favor of Orion. Whats funny is that there is very little to imply she even has a marginal edge in h2h skill and combat speed while we know for a fact he is her superior to a vast degree in every other aspect. Orion 10/10

Originally posted by quanchi112
No,you are singling out one fight instead of her entire history.

When did I ever say that Thanos is quicker than Darkseid? He was moving quickly but the comic doesnt state anything close to resembling superspeed. Thats your interpretation,not mine.

What am I denying?

He was mentally teleporting which is faster than the Flash. Should I put up scans?

Mar-vell didnt beat Thanos and he was much weaker than after his upgrade. Gamora caused him to bleed. Big whoop. Doomsday killed Superman in dos and there wasnt an ounce of blood spilled. Just because I bloody your nose that doesnt mean I am going to beat you in a fight.

Yes,that was one showing. he also stood up to Tyrant and took blasts from him as well. He also took on power gem Thor. He also took on the Maker. He also defeated the Silver Surfer very quickly and easily. Notice a pattern is developing. You are starting to sound like nver with that blood argument.

DS stood up to spectre, SS stood up to A&T and WW has stood up to Superman...so wats ur point. On the note of the whole thor incident, keep in mind it wasnt a victory for either of them...Thanos simply restrained him due to Thor's power becoming to immense.

Flash has already outraced instant teleportation...........

Trickster your so wrong it's not even funny. So, your saying flash could get from one universe to the next quicker ten somebody with the space gem? This is bordering on ridiculous now

Originally posted by The Great Galen
DS stood up to spectre, SS stood up to A&T and WW has stood up to Superman...so wats ur point. On the note of the whole thor incident, keep in mind it wasnt a victory for either of them...Thanos simply restrained him due to Thor's power becoming to immense.
Ds got oneshotted by the Spectre. To the bone.

Silver Surfer was dying and WW avoided Superman while holding back.

Thanos stalemated Thor with the power gem and then beat him with his gun,which he later added his own personal tech. 🙂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Trickster your so wrong it's not even funny. So, your saying flash could get from one universe to the next quicker ten somebody with the space gem? This is bordering on ridiculous now
😂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Trickster your so wrong it's not even funny. So, your saying flash could get from one universe to the next quicker ten somebody with the space gem? This is bordering on ridiculous now

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Shut it. 😛

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds got oneshotted by the Spectre. To the bone.

DS cause the spectre to howl in pain, Silver Surfer was dying and WW avoided Superman while holding back.

Thanos stalemated Thor with the power gem and then beat him with his gun,which he later added his own personal tech. 🙂

Holding back from her trinkets which she later resorted to because she knew the fight was lost. SS still managed to endure the beating and since when did Thanos stalemate him...he imprisioned him because he knew he was going to lose.

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Shut it. 😛

💃 Thats how its done ladies.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
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Shut it. 😛

That other being sacrificed his life because on his own,the Flash couldnt do it. Runner and space gem is faster.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Holding back from her trinkets which she later resorted to because she knew the fight was lost. SS still managed to endure the beating and since when did Thanos stalemate him...he imprisioned him because he knew he was going to lose.
She held back. She avoided superman long enough to take out his puppetmaster. Thanos and Thor traded blows with both appearing fine. Due to the power gem,Thanos realied he couldnt physically beat his opponent so he went and ended this affair with a gun.

Surfer was dying and Galactus needed to save him. Thanos owns the Surfer.