Originally posted by CaptainStoic
The Silver Surfer travered an entire light year in one second, Thanos said that he has depowered himself to only using the power gem, I am not making up stories.
I'm not saying you're making it up; I'm saying you're mistaken. It's a common mistake, in part because it's become something of a board myth, but its the truth. Take a look at the issue for yourself and you'll see that I'm right.
How fast do you have to be going to move an entire light year in one second? Let's think on this before answering ok.
That is straight line moving speed, of course, which someone in this thread had just discounted.
I was making a point on the fact that a character does not have to be moving at Super speed to tag a super speedster (Mark McGwire hit baseballs that move many times his own speed).
Of course one doesn't need to be. Guys like Captain Boomerang, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Deathstroke and Batman do it all the time. But they generally do it by anticipating where someone is going to be, or through trickery.
Darkseid calculated Supermans speed, and was able to tag him.
Huh? Calculated his speed?
He grabbed Superman (Byrne Supes, admittedly) so fast that Superman couldn't see him. There is no getting around that.
Thanos reacted at the last moment possible and avoided being derailed, and he did not have any level of precognition as to what Warlock and Surfer had planned.
But he was still omnipotent.
Gamora struck Thanos many times without being hit, the same Thanos able to react to the Surfer bullrush, and avoid defeat.Gamora would be able to avoid 90% of Orions attacks if we are to go by his showings vs Thanos'.
Generalities don't work for me.
What specifically leads you to this conclusion? What showings?
Thanos would destroy Orion in pitched combat, this is a fact. Thanos would also destroy Superman, who is Orion's better by the slightest of margins.
All of that is an opinion, not a fact. Its your opinion, based upon the limited number of facts that you know. It can't be a fact until it actually happens, and even then it's not a fact that it will happen the same way each and every time.
The second sentence is even more of a fact, given that Orion has stalemated or had the advantage in every battle he's ever had with Superman.
Gamora would lose, but don't try to make it look like Orion is the Juggernaut, and could not be affected by Gamora, because you come off looking like the one BSing.
What? Either you're willfully ignoring my arguments, or you don't understand them.
I'll summarize, and then I'm done because at this point it's becoming clear that you aren't bringing in any actual facts, showings, issues, nothing.
1. Orion has the Astro Harness for this. He could stay above and fry her, destroy her, before she has a chance to do anything. She can't fly. She can't teleport. She has no way to reach him. His long ranged attacks are powerful and allow for a 'scorched earth' strategy.
2. Barring that, if they were to engage in hand to hand combat, Orion is incredibly skilled and incredibly fast, in addition to being much stronger and more invulnerable than she. We've seen Gamora admit to being unable to hurt beings less skilled, slower, weaker and less durable than Orion without major help (The Thing), and we've seen her stalemated by a being much weaker and less durable (Wolverine).
It's not an issue of Orion having Juggernaut level durability. It's an issue of these things combined equally little to no chance of her winning.
