Windu takes it by a decently large margin. General Grievous is the only one who would stand a chance against Windu once his Saber was out. With a wave of his hand he would force push Boba and Jango out of the way, then crush Grievous' chest like a tin can. The two mandalorians will then be decapitate AOTC style, Grievous will then be manhandled by a warmed up Master Windu.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
With a wave of his hand he would force push Boba and Jango out of the way,
funny i dnt remember him simply waving his hand agianst jango in AOTC.
also you realise he described jango fett as a deadly opponenet in shatterpoint.. and only decapitated him after finding his shatterpoint.
Greivous gives him a decent batlle in sabers, so with Boba and Jango as well I think Mace definetely has a lot of difficulty, and might even lose.
Oh Come on, the reason Mace didn't "just do that" in AOTC is because; one if a Jedi just WTF pwned every non-Jedi he faced it would be pretty anti-climatic. Honestly Mace has dealt with Grievous on more than one occasion each ending with Grievous being wrecked via force. Not to mention in AOTC Mace was kind of distracted by the mutated bull running amok. Now in a fair arena Jango would get annihilated. Mace can produce a force wave capable of pushing back armies. The only one who could resist this is Grievous, the only threat hear. I'm sorry but there is no way the Second most powerful Master of the PT era would lose to two Mandalorians and GG. Mace would quickly fing Jango, and Boba's shatterpoint and quickly dispense of them then he would engage GG in a duel which he cannot win. I mean the man fought on par with ROTS Sids with Sabers. This is the same Sids who dispatched two respected "swordsmasters" in five seconds flat. Simply the way GG is dispatched by Windu in the Comics and CW series states that Windu outclasses the General in almost all areas. Fett and Boba will not live 10secs from the start of this fight and will be KO'd then its Grievous vs. Windu which we know will result in Grievous being KO'd
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Honestly Mace has dealt with Grievous on more than one occasion each ending with Grievous being wrecked via force. ... The only one who could resist this is Grievous, the only threat hear. I'm sorry but there is no way the Second most powerful Master of the PT era would lose to two Mandalorians and GG. Mace would quickly fing Jango, and Boba's shatterpoint and quickly dispense of them then he would engage GG in a duel which he cannot win. I mean the man fought on par with ROTS Sids with Sabers. This is the same Sids who dispatched two respected "swordsmasters" in five seconds flat. Simply the way GG is dispatched by Windu in the Comics and CW series states that Windu outclasses the General in almost all areas. Fett and Boba will not live 10secs from the start of this fight and will be KO'd then its Grievous vs. Windu which we know will result in Grievous being KO'd
In Labyrinth of Evil- Directly before ROTS- Mace fights Grievous on top of a moving train. He has the advantage with greater mobility, because the force is more effective than magnets and with an unknown saber style, because Grievous had never seen Vapaad. Grievous is definitely a major threat to Windu. Within a few passes, his 'servoprocessors' had mimicked Vapaad to such a degree that Windu thought he might have a problem.
The argument that Sidious > Grievous and Mace = Sidious is inherently flawed. Besides being a>b>c logic, they bring different capabilities to the table. Sidious gave Mace's vapaad something to work off of, a dark side aura that Grievous does not have.
Grievous/Mace is a fairly close pairing, and I think that the combined blaster fire/ flamethrower/ mines/ etc. from Bobba and Jango would tip the balance in the team's favor.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Unfortunately for you Star Wars Clone Wars depicts Grievous as being owned by Mace. And that is T-Canon just below Lucas himself. So yes it does take your novel in canon. Now if thats not enough for you I recall Grievous being pwnd by Windu in Obsession as well.
Luckily for me, I haven't seen that movie, so I don't have to take offense at your unnecessarily smug and condescending attitude.
I haven't read the book, so I can't dispute that. I would contend however that they are combatants capable of challenging each other, and would be very surprised if there were no extenuating circumstances in Obsession.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Unfortunately for you Star Wars Clone Wars depicts Grievous as being owned by Mace. And that is T-Canon just below Lucas himself. So yes it does take your novel in canon. Now if thats not enough for you I recall Grievous being pwnd by Windu in Obsession as well.
1. The show does not remove the book from official cannon status. The time span between the books allows for Grievous to improve. While it removes some of the glamor of mimicking Vapaad so quickly, their previous fight(s?) do not erase the prestige Grievous gains for challenging Mace.
2. Please provide the details of the Obsession fight, as I haven't read it. The fight might not be as one sided as you claim. This is simply because I haven't read it, and I'd like you to explain it to me.
If all he did was attack him with the force, then why is the fight being used to substantiate Mace over Grievous? In a saber battle the only evidence you have given is of the Clone Wars television show, and I have admitted ignorance.
You did not seem to object to my interpretation of Grievous's improvement between the two sources, settling the contradiction between the novel and the show.
Thus far we have had two main points. The fight in the show, which I am ignorant of, I admit, but which does not discredit Grievous's challenge of Mace in Labyrinth of Evil. The second was the fight in Obsession, which you have said was not a direct saber confrontation between the two combatants.
I love Mace, so it's weird to be arguing against him, but here goes.
His only notable showings in the force are in telekinesis. He has the Shatterpoint advantage, Vapaad- an especially potent form of combat- and is considered to be the second best duelist in the order. Shatterpoint is a tactical advantage, but against three notable combatants he will be hard pressed to take advantage of the Shatterpoint, even if he is able to find it. Telekinesis is one of the most rudimentary force powers, and Grievous was trained by a Sith Lord. Dooku, in designing a training regimen for an intended Jedi Killer surely taught him how to counter, or at least cope with a Force Push. Mace even remarks that Telekinesis is one of the first techniques that padawans and younglings learn- even before they start lightsaber training. Surely Dooku would have included such an important skill.
Grievous has already been proven capable in dealing with Vapaad.
The force will throw the battle in his favor in a one on one duel, but the two bounty hunters would throw the battle in Grievous's favor.
No but Grievous got wrecked by Force crush ala Mace. He imploded his chest to the point of him having his terrible cough in ROTS. Jango can compete with an AOTC Kenobi, but was destroyed by Mace with minimal effort. Form I is also taught first to Padawans and yet one of the Order's most renowned swordsman(Fisto) uses it as his primary form. Mace has been shown force pushing an army of SBDs and no I'm not exaggurating. Grievous will get crushed by Mace with the Force Mace will then proceed to bend over both Boba and Fisto. And Dooku said to Grievous that he could not beat Mace Windu, Yoda and possibly Kenobi. Dooku himself could not best Windu in Obsession although if the duel prolonged it is arguable who would have won. Mace will have no problem killing the Fetts Grievous is the main problem hear and if he quickly dispenses him with the force i.e. crush his chest then Boba and Jango are toast
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Jango can compete with an AOTC Kenobi, but was destroyed by Mace with minimal effort.
1. Kenobi was told to take Jango alive for questioning. so he wasnt allowed to kill him.
2. Mace fought Jango with his jet pack broken. How long do u think Jango wuld have lasted against Kenobi if he culdnt fly off. It would have been just as long as he lasted agaisnt Mace.
3. Read shatterpoint. Mace never thought of Jango Fett as an easy opponent.