What would your polictical party be? Should we abolish the political spectrum?

Started by xmarksthespot36 pages

Originally posted by Bardock42
Competition, negative press, the community and hopefully the parents.
I'm not sure how effective that may be in the more dystopic scenario whereby a wealthy oligarchical hegemony could control practically everything, unhindered by regulatory or legislative impediments.

Employers and manufacturers could tacitly agree with each other, presumably control the press, would largely hold monopoly on the services for the communit and could simply buy the children from Person C.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
It is if it combats corporate greed.

It's said companies right to be greedy if they want to be. If I wanted to charge you 50$ dollars, it is my right to do so.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Yes but the reverse is that people have a job but they cannot survive on what they are paid.
Just that it isn't.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
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Not hard to control or distort.

. . . benefits from the cheap labor.

Pay 'em off.

Your arguments assume that things that work in a government ruled society somehow don't work in anarchy.

The community might gain from the cheap labour, but so it would in our society as well, yet it chose to outlaw child labour...odd.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm not sure how effective that may be in the more dystopic scenario whereby a wealthy oligarchical hegemony could control practically everything, unhindered by regulatory or legislative impediments.

Employers and manufacturers could tacitly agree with each other, presumably control the press, would largely hold monopoly on the services for the communit and could simply buy the children from Person C.

Yeah, I don't think many things are helpful in "1984" type scenarios...they just don't seem to happen quite as often as authors make us believe.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The community might gain from the cheap labour, but so it would in our society as well, yet it chose to outlaw child labour...odd.
Depends on which society you go to.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The community might gain from the cheap labour, but so it would in our society as well, yet it chose to outlaw child labour...odd.

I thought you were using selfishness as the basis for your society. Child labor can't be outlawed in an anarchy and people (being selfish) will want it to be used to benefit them.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Employers and manufacturers could tacitly agree with each other, presumably control the press, would largely hold monopoly on the services for the communit and could simply buy the children from Person C.

Employers and manufacturers could tacitly agree with each other, presumably control the press, would largely hold monopoly on the services for the communit, could simply buy the children from Person C and could buy of the government.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I thought you were using selfishness as the basis for your society. Child labor can't be outlawed in an anarchy and people (being selfish) will want it to be used to benefit them.

Being people would have the morality they have now, child labor would not be practiced.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, I don't think many things are helpful in "1984" type scenarios...they just don't seem to happen quite as often as authors make us believe.
Well it's not beyond the realm of possibility that there be a wealthy oligarchical hegemony in an anarchist society; considering there's already something akin in a regulated society.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I thought you were using selfishness as the basis for your society. Child labor can't be outlawed in an anarchy and people (being selfish) will want it to be used to benefit them.
Well, I would argue that actually most people would selfishly dislike their jobs being taken by children, but leaving that aside, child labour does leave a bad taste in roughly 99.999 percent of people, I'm just not going to assume that would suddenly change.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Just that it isn't.

It is, without a minimum wage there is no reason for a company to pay them a livable wage.

It's said companies right to be greedy if they want to be. If I wanted to charge you 50$ dollars, it is my right to do so.

It shouldn't be.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Being people would have the morality they have now, child labor would not be practiced.

Really? You might want to good ask China and third world countries about that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Employers and manufacturers could tacitly agree with each other, presumably control the press, would largely hold monopoly on the services for the communit, could simply buy the children from Person C and could buy of the government.
I don't think buying children is currently allowed.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well it's not beyond the realm of possibility that there be a wealthy oligarchical hegemony in an anarchist society; considering there's already something akin in a regulated society.
I would argue it is much easier in regulated society as there is already a force monopoly which can basically just be bought of (see HMOs in the US buying off the whole ****ing Washington DC)...at least that corruptable monopoly would not exist in an anarchist society.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, I would argue that actually most people would selfishly dislike their jobs being taken by children

There are a lot of jobs children cannot do.

Originally posted by Bardock42
but leaving that aside, child labour does leave a bad taste in roughly 99.999 percent of people, I'm just not going to assume that would suddenly change.

So you're relying on . . . altriusm? morality? Something beyond selfishness?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There are a lot of jobs children cannot do.

So you're relying on . . . altriusm? morality? Something beyond selfishness?

I actually think that altruism as well as morality comes from selfishness, ultimately, but fair enoug. Let me rephrase, I rely on nothing more than what already exists in current society

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Really? You might want to good ask China and third world countries about that.

I assumed you were talking about this country. Otherwise, you're argument doesn't matter. It happens in the world today.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
It shouldn't be.

Who's right is it to limit their freedom to be assholes?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't think buying children is currently allowed.
True, true, but it could be, couldn't it? Hypothetically. Just saying.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I would argue it is much easier in regulated society as there is already a force monopoly which can basically just be bought of (see HMOs in the US buying off the whole ****ing Washington DC)...at least that corruptable monopoly would not exist in an anarchist society.
Someone presumably manages the community even in a anarchist society...? To be bought off. Actually considering they'd be part of the hegemony, they probably wouldn't need to be bought off.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll

Who's right is it to limit their freedom to be assholes?

Us through the government.