Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosSo, your argument is "there is child labour in government regulated societies, ergo I can use it as argument against anarchist societies"
Really? You might want to good ask China and third world countries about that.
I don't follow, how does that logic work? (Bizarro logic?)
Originally posted by Bardock42
I actually think that altruism as well as morality comes from selfishness, ultimately, but fair enoug. Let me rephrase, I rely on nothing more than what already exists in current society
What already exists in current society is propping up everything you object to.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
I assumed you were talking about this country. Otherwise, you're argument doesn't matter. It happens in the world today.
Originally posted by Bardock42
So, your argument is "there is child labour in government regulated societies, ergo I can use it as argument against anarchist societies"I don't follow, how does that logic work? (Bizarro logic?)
People in the west happily ignore that products they buy from other nations are often cheap thanks to child labor. The only thing people care about when it comes to exploitation is that they don't have to see it.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotExactly, it's like it is now. Basically the same things apply, yet we are to assume that it won't work in anarchy, even though it "magically" works in current society?
Someone presumably manages the community even in a anarchist society...? To be bought off. Actually considering they'd be part of the hegemony, they probably wouldn't need to be bought off.
Originally posted by Bardock42Except of course for explicit legislation and punishment of those engaged in the activity presumably.
I actually think that altruism as well as morality comes from selfishness, ultimately, but fair enoug. Let me rephrase, I rely on nothing more than what already exists in current society
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Morality.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
People in the west happily ignore that products they buy from other nations are often cheap thanks to child labor. The only thing people care about when it comes to exploitation is that they don't have to see it.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
One Question,Where would Anarchism fall on the political spectrum?
Originally posted by Bardock42Someone would personally have to hire people from a protection agency to go after someone employing children. Someone could also hire people from a protection agency to stop that protection agency.
Why shouldn't that exist in Protection Agencies?
Also if Person D bought Person C's children with his hard earned money, there being nothing illegal about it, I don't see why you're up in arms about it.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
What morality? You're telling someone else how they can act. That's shoving your beliefs down their throats, without their consent to do so. It's a limitation of a human's right to freedom.
Maybe being an assmunch shouldn't be a freedom. That's like saying it's limiting freedom if the cops stop someone from attacking me.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not following.People built this society. People maintain this society. It's fairly hard to imagine how those behavior cause a completely different society in your world.
They'd need to be lead there. You'd need to show them that less government controls have advantages and they'd need to understand that Anarchy is not an enemy (like even reasonable people like you and AC are brainwashed to believe). Of course, there would have to be changes. But your argument was that almost all people need to have the exactly same view for it to work. That's just not supported by anything.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Someone would personally have to hire people from a protection agency to go after someone employing children. Someone could also hire people from a protection agency to stop that protection agency.Also if Person D bought Person C's children with his hard earned money, there being nothing illegal about it, I don't see why you're up in arms about it.
Oh, that's because humans are not property, they can make their own decisions. Of course that's just moral and therefore subjective. Which kinda ties in with what I said earlier, if most people don't see a problem with child labour then nothing will happen in that society, I just assume that that won't be the case.
And again, apply that argument to current society, if the majority was pro-child-labour, what would stop them from implementing it?
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Maybe being an assmunch shouldn't be a freedom. That's like saying it's limiting freedom if the cops stop someone from attacking me.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That when thinking entirely of their own gain people would be happy to let children be exploited? That's basically what you just agreed to.
Originally posted by Bardock42
They'd need to be lead there. You'd need to show them that less government controls have advantages and they'd need to understand that Anarchy is not an enemy (like even reasonable people like you and AC are brainwashed to believe).
I don't think anarchy is the enemy. I think people are.
Not to mention that once you've lead people to anarchy (which is very Lenin, I might add) there's nothing to stop them from choosing to form government again.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Of course, there would have to be changes. But your argument was that almost all people need to have the exactly same view for it to work. That's just not supported by anything.
If they're all going to work together voluntarily to move society and protect people I don't see how they won't have to share the same views on many many issues.