Thanos vs Sun Dipped Superman-Orion w/Astrol Harness

Started by Aster Phoenix41 pages
Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Thank you, But a hammer and a Kryptonian are not the same thing.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Your the one who can't defend your scans. Someone is working on the scan. The fact that Supes can travel at FTL speeds occurs all the time, all he has to do is put his fist in front of him while he does it.

Of course we can get the mod to make a ruling here.


You're the one who hasn't even posted any scans, just made a bunch of unfounded claims. You wanted to know how strong the FF was, I pointed out the above instances, you asked for scans, I provided scans and asked for scans proving the tactic would even be an issue, you ignored my request and tried to start another debate about the scans I'd provided. I have more than enough evidence to support my side of the argument should it become necessary(just as GOOD debaters do), but I'm not going to bother getting into a drawn out debate with some who relies solely on unfounded claims because it's a waste of time.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Superman can travel at FTL, all he has to do is stick his fist out in front of him while he does it.
He's done it to a small moon. He's never done it to a foe before. I don't know why. Although it's logical that he could do it, arguing that he would do it in a fight or that he has done it in a fight is a very different thing.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Thank you, But a hammer and a Kryptonian are not the same thing.
Mjolnir hits far harder than Superman. Trust me. If you think otherwise, than prove it with scans.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
What issue is that from? Because he has almost matched Flash for speed before when they raced.
JlA early 90's issue there are more just examples 🙂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Mjolnir hits far harder than Superman. Trust me.

No I'd rather see proof.

He's done it to a small moon. He's never done it to a foe before.

And the difference is? In both case it's just moving really fast with your fist in front of you.

I have more than enough evidence to support my side of the argument

Good, so does that mean you will address the counter points I listed about your scans?

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Superman can travel at FTL, all he has to do is stick his fist out in front of him while he does it.

Really could u just show or even mention an example superman attacking ANYONE at what is SPECIFIED OR INDICATED to be light speed? That is the only way to make ur argument reasonable. If not it is baseless.

Originally posted by kgkg
JlA early 90's issue there are more just examples 🙂

Cool let's see. Because he has almost matched Flash in the past.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Really could u just show or even mention an example superman attacking ANYONE at what is

You think something about moving that fast prevents him from putting his fist in front of him?

I'll get the mod to rule on this.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Good, so does that mean you will address the counter points I listed about your scans?

Just as soon as you provid the scan I asked for to support your claims ✅ .

So you can't address them then?

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
No I'd rather see proof.

And the difference is? In both case it's just moving really fast with your fist in front of you.

Moons don't move or hit back or fight. Onus is on you to prove Superman hits harder than Mjolnir. He doesn't. Prove he does. And I want scans.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
So you can't address them then?

Sure I can. I just don't have to until the relevance of the topic is established with proof. Didn't you ever take debate in school?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Moons don't move or hit back or fight.

So what does that matter. You think Thanos' shield is going to?

Onus is on you to prove Superman hits harder than Mjolnir.

Your the one that claimed they were the same so the onus is on you to prove it. You made the claim.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Sure I can.

Then do so. I am having a Mod make a ruling on the other matter.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
So what does that matter. You think Thanos' shield is going to?
Thanos' shield has taken greater force when measured against the force that results in a small moon being busted.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Your the one that claimed they were the same so the onus is on you to prove it. You made the claim.
No. This time you were the one that made the first statement comparing the two. When someone made a claim that Thor throws Mjolnir faster than light, you had the right to ask for a scan supporting such a claim. I gave you that proof without making any sort of claims whatsoever. Then in response to that proof, you made the claim that a Kryptonian would hit harder than Mjolnir. I have a right to ask for scans supporting such a claim, the same exact right you exercised, which I indulged. It is now your turn to indulge me and participate.

The onus is on you. Kyrptonians hit harder than Mjolnir? Proof. Now.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Then do so. I am having a Mod make a ruling on the other matter.

The mods already DID rule on the matter. It's specifically addressed in the forum rules in fact...

No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it.

If you're going to make claims about Supes's FTL blitzes you have to back it up with proof. So come on Steve cause we're all waiting.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]Thanos' shield has taken greater force when measured against the force that results in a small moon being busted.

Thats not the point. The point is he can still fly at Thanos at that speed with his fist in front of him.

And no, I asked you if you were comparing the two which you obviously are, so it's up to you to provide proof.

If you're going to make claims about Supes's FTL blitzes you have to back it up with proof.

Alll I was that he flies him at that speed with his fist out in front.

Guys, I'm not sure why there's so much nit picking.

The opening post said nothing about battlefields so it looks like it's the KMC default, about 1,500 feet apart or 0.5 km.

We're back on the speedblitz but this time at ftl. Being so close it would be basically instant travel at c or mach 10. Pretty much a moot point imo.

Now, could Supes blitz at c with his fist out? Yes, that's well within his powers and abilities. Has he done it? Not to my knowledge. The closest I've seen is when he blitzed DS to the Sun and split a moon in half racing back to Earth. Is it within his personality? Not unless he's uber mad or as a last resort.

Guys, I can't ref threads. I'll close them before it comes to that. Scans aren't always necessary when people cite a specific comic or arc. I'm seeing people on several threads asking for scans when other proof is at hand in the thread.

I suggest people stop be such sticklers and concede points. Just because a character hasn't done an exact feat doesn't mean it's not within their abilities. The real point here is if blitzing at c or mach 10 from 1,500 feet away makes a difference. Either way it would be faster than thought and instant.....

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Thank you, But a hammer and a Kryptonian are not the same thing.
This is your claim in response to my providing you scans. You claim they are not the same, indeed, any reasonable person would interpret that as you suggesting that a Kryptonian would hit harder when reading the thread and understanding context. You made the claim. Prove it. I asked for proof. I have a right to ask for proof.

Do not make claims without proof. Do not aver when you have been asked to show proof. Do not feign ignorance when you obviously have an opinion. Support it with proof. I've asked. Now it's time to deliver. Not the same thing? As in Kryptonians would hit harder than Mjolnir? Then prove it. I've asked several times already. Don't equivocate. You made a claim, I don't believe you, prove it.