gladiator vs green lantern

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Gladiator has on-panel nanosecond combat speed. Superman does not. Gladiator is one of the few that can fight at that level of speed. The only kind of speed Superman has ever surpassed Gladiator in, is travelling speed.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Gladiator does have a weakness to certain radiation. If Kyle learns about it and can have his ring replicate it, this should be an easy win for Kyle. If not, and that's what I'm betting on, then Gladiator should take a majority.

but like the other poster said, gladiator isn't so nice, he is a soldier of the throne after all and going easy on his opponent's isn't acceptable.

hal has to be quick about it if he wants to utilize the radiation trick since kallark will be raining punches on him like crazy.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Your explanation was alright, but you made it sound like Gladiator "used time dilation" against them. The time dilation in this instance wasn't really an issue of relativistic time dilation in the truest sense. It was a comic book pseudo-science "time bubble" that slowed time throughout a large part of the universe. Time was slowed for Gladiator and the rest of the Shi'ar, but the Earth heroes had devices that made them, for lack of a better word, immune to the time bubble's effects.

So two weeks to Thor, Iron Man, and the FF was an instant to Gladiator. He had to operate at hyperspeed to match them.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Except that the Gladiator in those scans is a future Gladiator, and not current.

And Superman has faster feats, and stronger ones.

Glads has never tanked two planets colliding. Glads has never moved anything like the wheels of Mageddon. Glads has never just stopped holding back and decimated opponents. Glads cannot punch his way through death. Glads has limits, Superman does not.

The wheels of mageddon,it was impressive but we dont know how impressive.

Are you saying Superman doesnt have limits?

Glads is faster than Superman,has equally hot heat vision,and has destroyed a planet on panel. Supes has him in strength imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And? His powerset remained the same,so?

He showed two new things in that universe than he hasn't in 616..

The mere fact that he hasn't done this in 616 already makes the feat questionable to say the least.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Did it?

He showed two new things in that universe than he hasn't in 616..

The mere fact that he hasn't done this in 616 already makes the feat questionable to say the least.

He only matched people experiencing time differently by utilizing his hyperspeed once, so all the times he didn't do so should be proof that the time he did it was due to a completely unexplained and un-hinted at powerup?

That's pretty damn disingenuous.

It's not as though he shot grape soda out of his hands with no prior history of carbonated beverage projection powers. He undeniably has superspeed. He undeniably has tactical superspeed. The feat was an application of an ability he has demonstrated in numerous canon appearances.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Did it?

He showed two new things in that universe than he hasn't in 616..

The mere fact that he hasn't done this in 616 already makes the feat questionable to say the least.

Originally posted by KK the Great
He only matched people experiencing time differently by utilizing his hyperspeed once, so all the times he didn't do so should be proof that the time he did it was due to a completely unexplained and un-hinted at powerup?

That's pretty damn disingenuous.

It's not as though he shot grape soda out of his hands with no prior history of carbonated beverage projection powers. He undeniably has superspeed. He undeniably has tactical superspeed. The feat was an application of an ability he has demonstrated in numerous canon appearances.

"Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).

This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed."

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you have any information regarding this powerup of Glads? Are you saying he lacks speed in the 616?

Besides even if he can do this feat, the mere fact that there's no time dilution in this thread means it's irrelevant anyway.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
I was going to make an actual post towards this, but meh:

"Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).

This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed."

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

Are you trying to verify an assumption with a question? Two questions actually?

Besides even if he can do this feat, the mere fact that there's no time dilution in this thread means it's irrelevant anyway.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
I was going to make an actual post towards this, but meh:

"Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).

This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed."

Then I'm not sure what your point is.

The Black Celestial saga is in-continuity. It's not like we're citing a What If? or an Elseworlds where the continuity is drastically changed with alternate takes on the characters. The FF/Avengers just went a few years into the future, with no reason given to believe that Gladiator had changed over that short time period. It's not some alternate reality version of Gladiator in a universe where he's a herald of Galactus or anything like that. It's just regular old Gladiator a few years into the future.

And I think it is one thing to try to cite an Elseworlds feat for Superman when he has thousands of readily available references, but Gladiator has so few appearances as it is, it's asinine to reduce his references even further by taking away some of the best straight comparisons we have to go on.

Originally posted by quanchi112
But he still has his superspeed. The only reason he used it in this manner is because the situation arose for him for do it this way. You can take away this story but you cant take away his abilities.

The situation arose, but it won't arise in this thread anyway...

Originally posted by Red Hulk
I never said he didn't. But when he moves at probably millions/billions/trillions of times or more the speed of light an alternate reality, it doesn't really make sense to 616 at all. I can't take away his abilities, you're right, but I can't give him abilities based on an alternate reality either. Otherwise it opens the door for the 'Hulk stood up to Galactus! WWH would destroy him'/'Surfer serious killed Thor'/'Thor broke Hulk's neck'... the only difference is that those are from regular attacks, not something like 'hyperspeed'.

The situation arose, but it won't arise in this thread anyway...

Glads' abilties are the exact same. Like Kk said he doesnt have that many appearances and there is no reason. There were also no events that took place, which make us think he was any more or less powerful than usual.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Then I'm not sure what your point is.

The Black Celestial saga is in-continuity. It's not like we're citing a What If? or an Elseworlds where the continuity is drastically changed with alternate takes on the characters. The FF/Avengers just went a few years into the future, with no reason given to believe that Gladiator had changed over that short time period. It's not some alternate reality version of Gladiator in a universe where he's a herald of Galactus or anything like that. It's just regular old Gladiator a few years into the future.

And I think it is one thing to try to cite an Elseworlds feat for Superman when he has thousands of readily available references, but Gladiator has so few appearances as it is, it's asinine to reduce his references even further by taking away some of the best straight comparisons we have to go on.

Asinine... would this be like trying to go against the rules?

Originally posted by quanchi112
But he is the exact same character who no differences at all. The difference between some of these alternate universe characters are usually stated or given to us by the writers. Galactus in that Surfer exiles story is a prime example. He was completely different. But some of these alternate reality stories let them rock the boat without having to rock the 616 boat imo.

Glads' abilties are the exact same. Like Kk said he doesnt have that many appearances and there is no reason or no events that took place that make us think he was any more or less powerful than usual.

Except he has something like 'hyperspeed'... I don't know how similar that is to 616...
He does have appearances though, and the only reason this is being argued is because it's his best feat.

Anyway, this has no relevance on this thread, and just seems like spam at this point in time.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Fine then, Galactus fails to put down Hulk while he's continually firing at him. Surfer kills Thor. Thor kills Hulk. Phoenix destroys a universe. Cyclops destroys adamantium. Mags and Apocalypse kill each other. Etc.

Except he has something like 'hyperspeed'... I don't know how similar that is to 616...
He does have appearances though, and the only reason this is being argued is because it's his best feat.

Anyway, this has no relevance on this thread, and just seems like spam at this point in time.

I said its fine to take away this story but his abilities stay the same.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Spam? What are you talking about? I gave my reasoning and you call it spam.

I said its fine to take away this story but his abilities stay the same.

So... what exactly would the second statement mean?
Would that mean that we discount the alternate reality story, but at the same time keep the feats he accomplished there?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Except that the Gladiator in those scans is a future Gladiator, and not current.

And Superman has faster feats, and stronger ones.

Glads has never tanked two planets colliding. Glads has never moved anything like the wheels of Mageddon. Glads has never just stopped holding back and decimated opponents. Glads cannot punch his way through death. Glads has limits, Superman does not.

Hmm superman having no limits. Be very careful bout what ya say becasue that may open up a whole new discussion. Superman haveing no limits is absolutly false.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Because I thought it was established that this is irrelevant to this thread. Therefore off topic, therefore spam.

So... what exactly would the second statement mean?
Would that mean that we discount the alternate reality story, but at the same time keep the feats he accomplished there?

You make me cackle. You bringing up spam. The guy who posts pics of cats all the time. Hypocritical much?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He still has the same abilities to achieve these feats. There were no added abilities to Glads for this storyline.

You make me cackle. You bringing up spam. The guy who posts pics of cats all the time. Hypocritical much?

That's ancient history, and cat pictures have as much relevance as idiotic posts.
Besides, I was joking, but that response to the spam thing reminded me of something Nvr would say/do... kill yourself.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Asinine... would this be like trying to go against the rules?

The rules of this forum are quite often used to asinine ends, certainly.

It's one thing to discount the sort of alternate realities where creators are given free reign to re-imagine radical new takes on classic characters. That's perfectly understandable, and undoubtedly the spirit in which the rule was written.

But to discount several major appearances of an already rarely-appearing character just because the characters traveled a few years into the future is inane. Simonson didn't create an "alternate version" of Gladiator. He simply presented the character as he generally appears, except with a story set a few years in the future. There's no good reason to believe that Simonson would've written "present Gladiator" any differently.