Originally posted by Red Hulk
Hyperspeed? He travels fast, but I don't remember him ever doing that type of shit before.
What are you looking for?
Fights being described as taking place in nanoseconds?
He's done that.
Traveling several light years in a matter of seconds?
Done that, too.
Speed-blitzing of the "perform complex actions instantly" variety?
Yes to that, as well.
I'm not sure what, exactly, you think this added aside from a nifty frame of reference not often available for tactical speed feats.
Originally posted by Red HulkWell,since you once described me as nver's opposite then Id say Im playing my role perfectly. The point is he can still travel very fast and use combat speed. His abilities were and are the same.
Hyperspeed? He travels fast, but I don't remember him ever doing that type of shit before. Plus, if we take away the story, then hyperspeed doesn't exist anyway... and therefore the feat doesn't exist, so we can't add it to his (if you're responding to me being confused about your comment).
There were no added canon to Glads for this storyline.That's ancient history.
Besides, I was joking, but that response to the spam thing reminded me of something Nvr would say/do... kill yourself.
Originally posted by KK the GreatUse those then.
What are you looking for?Fights being described as taking place in nanoseconds?
He's done that.
Traveling several light years in a matter of seconds?
Done that, too.
Speed-blitzing of the "perform complex actions instantly" variety?
Yes to that, as well.
I'm not sure what, exactly, you think this added aside from a nifty frame of reference not often available for tactical speed feats.
But the mere fact that he can go into a 'hyperspeed' mode where he's basically traveling two weeks faster than everything in an alternate time line isn't substantiated because he has good speed feats in 616. Hell, if that time dilution wasn't in effect, then he basically looked like 616 Glads to the heroes... that doesn't seem right, because in reality he was traveling faster than well... let's call it time as well.
It adds the fact that he seems like the fastest comic character ever based on that scene that people are trying to add to 616. I'm not sure who would ever be able to beat that version outside abstracts.
Originally posted by KK the GreatI brought them up so I wouldn't have to type a long winded post.
Stop using them as a crutch.
Either way, stop breaking them.
Originally posted by quanchi112Uh... huh...
Well,since you once described me as nver's opposite then Id say Im playing my role perfectly. The point is he can still travel very fast and use combat speed. His abilities were and are the same.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Use those then.But the mere fact that he can go into a 'hyperspeed' mode where he's basically traveling two weeks faster than everything in an alternate time line isn't substantiated because he has good speed feats in 616. Hell, if that time dilution wasn't in effect, then he basically looked like 616 Glads to the heroes... that doesn't seem right, because in reality he was traveling faster than well... let's call it time as well.
It adds the fact that he seems like the fastest comic character ever based on that scene that people are trying to add to 616. I'm not sure who would ever be able to beat that version outside abstracts.
In the "non-canon" Black Celestial Saga (LOL), Gladiator said that the trip home from his mission on a distant settlement took only a few hours at hyperspeed.
In terms of sheer velocity, that's relatively pedestrian compared to the speed he's shown on other occasions. He's traveled to distant galaxies in practically no time, and he's gone "several light years" in seconds. Comparatively, taking a few hours to cross a galaxy isn't so fast.
The absolute speed demonstrated isn't really the point.
I brought them up so I wouldn't have to type a long winded post.
Let's be honest. You brought them up because you aren't very confident in your argumentation skills.
I mean, did you really have a great argument that you just decided not to wow us with?
"I was going to make an actual post towards this, but meh"
I sort of don't believe you.
Even if Glads seemed no different in an alternate timeline, the fact of the matter is that Alternate Future Timelines aren't acceptable evidence of mainstream character's abilities. We don't use Hollywood's feats for 616 Wonderman, we don't use GDS Darkseid for current Darkseid, and we don't use Black Celestal Gladiator in this particular debate.
If the rule in and of itself isn't reason enough for you then fact that Glad's powers are based on confidence should be. I know thirty years doesn't seem like that long, but there are a lot of things that could happen to raise the boys ego in that amount of time. Hell maybe he finally found a chick that was willing to look past the Mohawk and got laid...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Even if Glads seemed no different in an alternate timeline, the fact of the matter is that Alternate Future Timelines aren't acceptable evidence of mainstream character's abilities. We don't use Hollywood's feats for 616 Wonderman, we don't use GDS Darkseid for current Darkseid, and we don't use Black Celestal Gladiator in this particular debate.If the rule in and of itself isn't reason enough for you then fact that Glad's powers are based on confidence should be. I know thirty years doesn't seem like that long, but there are a lot of things that could happen to raise the boys ego in that amount of time. Hell maybe he finally found a chick that was willing to look past the Mohawk and got laid...
What is this, some sort of two negatives make a positive type of thing?
If I make several really bad arguments, they'll combine into a single good one.
I don't think logic works that way.
Originally posted by KK the Great
The Black Celestial saga is in-continuity. It's not like we're citing a What If? or an Elseworlds where the continuity is drastically changed with alternate takes on the characters. The FF/Avengers just went a few years into the future, with no reason given to believe that Gladiator had changed over that short time period. It's not some alternate reality version of Gladiator in a universe where he's a herald of Galactus or anything like that. It's just regular old Gladiator a few years into the future.
Know what would literally drip orgasmic badassness? An alternate future, Omniversal War Kallark arc. In it, Annihilus has just destroyed the Shi'ar Empire and Glads is effing pissed. Gladiator is so pissed off that he literally doesn't care about confidence, thus increasing his speed, strength, HV, and Frost breath powers towards infinity. So he flies around and solos the entire Annihilation Wave. But he's still pissed, of course, so finds the Guardians of the Galaxy as convenient scapegoats. He proceeds to rip Nova's arms off and use them to simultaneously sodomize Gamora and Quasar, before casually destroying them all. Not sated yet, he decides to take this problem straight to the people who allowed it to happen - Master Order and Lord Chaos. He flies so fast that he actually rips open dimensions until getting to the Nexus of All Realities, where the In-Betweener is waiting for him.
Kallark goes, "Out of my way, idiot! Segregation was a great idea, and your frail black and white body had to ruin it!! I will destroy you now!"
Promptly, Gladiator blasts him with a gout of heat vision so hot that it disintegrates him as well as every plane of existence known (since they're on the Nexus of Realities). Near death from this attack, Master Order and Lord Chaos lay helpless at Kallark's feet with pathetic pleading looks upon their faces. Unmerciful, and still filled with rage, he is about to strike them down when a booming voice cuts through the black and charred area, and the Living Tribunal appears. He's ready judge that Annihilus' attack was unlawful and undo any and all damages done to the Shi'ar Empire, if Kallark will allow Order and Chaos to live and resume his Imperial business. Blinded by vengeance and unable to fully comprehend his actions, he uses his frost breath to cool LT down to absolute zero - completely freezing all of the M-body's particles and making him totally defenseless. Glads proceeds to use heat vision, vaporizing LT completely. Realizing that the 616 universe is now empty and gone, and seeking to find a newer, worthy home, Glads begins to fly at unquantifiable speeds - quintillions of time lightspeed, flying through boundaries of universes and times, searching for a perfect Shi'ar Empire. He judges each universe unworthy of living up to his ideal, and the heroes and villians in each as being inferior, weak, and "jerks." Finally, after slaughtering the entire population of the omniverse, TOAA proclaims Kallark 'divine' and grants him his own fantasy universe, which is completely dominated by the Shi'ar, ruled by Gladiator himself, where he can kill skrulls at his leisure. The end.
Now. That's spam.
Originally posted by Red HulkWe should still be able to refer to this story then as he has the same abilities. Thats my point. it isnt like he couldnt do this in the 616.
Use those then.But the mere fact that he can go into a 'hyperspeed' mode where he's basically traveling two weeks faster than everything in an alternate time line isn't substantiated because he has good speed feats in 616. Hell, if that time dilution wasn't in effect, then he basically looked like 616 Glads to the heroes... that doesn't seem right, because in reality he was traveling faster than well... let's call it time as well.
It adds the fact that he seems like the fastest comic character ever based on that scene that people are trying to add to 616. I'm not sure who would ever be able to beat that version outside abstracts.
I brought them up so I wouldn't have to type a long winded post.
Either way, stop breaking them.
Uh... huh...
Originally posted by darthgooberHollywood and Darkseid seem very different to Glads who looked and acted the same. He didnt demonstrate any new abilities. I understand your point,but Darkseid had a few significant changes occur to his being that we saw on panel which makes him different than Gladiator. Mordru,etc.
Even if Glads seemed no different in an alternate timeline, the fact of the matter is that Alternate Future Timelines aren't acceptable evidence of mainstream character's abilities. We don't use Hollywood's feats for 616 Wonderman, we don't use GDS Darkseid for current Darkseid, and we don't use Black Celestal Gladiator in this particular debate.If the rule in and of itself isn't reason enough for you then fact that Glad's powers are based on confidence should be. I know thirty years doesn't seem like that long, but there are a lot of things that could happen to raise the boys ego in that amount of time. Hell maybe he finally found a chick that was willing to look past the Mohawk and got laid...
Hollywood is obviously different as well. The writer established him as different that current Wonderman. But,Glads seemed exactly the same imo. Thats why this should be an exception imo.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345Show me where Superman had microsecond combat speed. Gladiator doesn't have supposed nanosecond combat speed. He has proven on-panel, unequivocal nanosecond combat speed. I know as a Superman fan, you're used to equivocating and reaching for these heights with your character when he plainly doesn't have them, but that kind of fruitless meandering isn't necessary for Gladiator. And please... please don't even bother using JLA/Avengers garbage with me.
And superman way back in the late 1990s matched a guy with easily had microsecond reactions,guess what superman has gotten litterally thousands of times faster since then,let me know when gladiator flies to different galaxies in a couple minutes,and for gladiators supposed nano second speed he wasnt blitzing thor and superman kept up with thor nicely and has been upgraded since then.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345In the 1990's Superman wasn't faster than light try again. Glad was doing 100X light speed.
And superman way back in the late 1990s matched a guy with easily had microsecond reactions,guess what superman has gotten litterally thousands of times faster since then,let me know when gladiator flies to different galaxies in a couple minutes,and for gladiators supposed nano second speed he wasnt blitzing thor and superman kept up with thor nicely and has been upgraded since then.
Originally posted by iceman24567Structural weakness maybe. There's a scan where Hal fails to find a structural weakness with a ring scan, but the fact that he tries to, suggests that if there was a structural weakness (which there wasn't), he could find one. Weakness to a specific radiation due to Gladiator's unique physiology? No precedent as far as I am aware of. GL rings are linked to the Oan database that probably give them info on races that Guardians have encountered. But Gladiator is Shiar and a pretty unique Shiar at that.
Gl rings do sense weaknesses no? A blast of the radiation that Gladz is weak against easy ko.
Also, I have not found a scan of GL synthesizing a different form of energy with their rings. And I've asked in several threads and received nothing. So even if he did know, there's no proof that I've seen that they could generate/replicate that type of radiation with their rings.
Originally posted by kgkgGLs are overrated. A lot of people have taken certain liberties with GLs and assumed they can do certain things that they've never actually done or even intimated an ability to do. I don't know why GLs get that kind of free pass. But I ain't giving it to em.
Wow GL are underrated more than Gladiator on KMC it seems