Doom Vs. The Incredible Hulk

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm not arguing it as fact, just saying the potential to get strong enough to do so is there.

Also, heat resistance is far different that blunt force trauma resistance. Look at the heat-shielding on the Space Shuttle for a real life example.

Edit: Doom was made of titanium?

It his "greatest" strength feat is ripping a hummer to pieces then he has a long way

I realise that, but place the heat inside a tornado the tornado creates some form of blunt force...

No but his skin was harder then titanium

Originally posted by Utrigita
It his "greatest" strength feat is ripping a hummer to pieces then he has a long way

I realise that, but place the heat inside a tornado the tornado creates some form of blunt force...

No but his skin was harder then titanium

No, he did throw a huge boulder well into the horizon though; I believe he also launched it with just one arm/hand, like a shot-put. That certainly takes a lot of instant power. Shoving that gigantic liquid container so it slid while crashing easily through varies other equipment was no small feat either.

Edit: This was before he did his visible strength increase too.

Originally posted by Robtard
Combined with having his head smashed into a wall and being stabbed through the chest. It's not crazy to think if Doom was somehow able to put him in a near-death situation or if the fight went on indefinitely, his anger/stress would increase.

What did those bolts do? Hulk took gun fire up to .50 caliber rounds, grenades, Stark sonic canons, and a fully armed gun-ship crashing into him. He also took punches from Abomination that were (from hands) strong enough to catch a missle and explode it without injury.

2. ...I can't really remember. Didn't they blast through Sue's shield though?

I would go check, but am reluctant what with the movie itself sucking ass.

Originally posted by Robtard
How much power do you think it takes to launch 1,200+ pounds into a several mile arc?

Has Juggernaut tried to jump?

Even so, his other feats are within or arguably greater than what the thing did.

2. From what I hear, his highest jump was only like 50 feet. Despite that, Juggernaut has shown the physical might to hang with and at times dominate Hulk, hell, in World War Hulk, which is the strongest Hulk there is(second to Red Hulk ROFL), Juggernaut was dominating him, literally stomped his face into the ground with his boot.

3. IMO no. But even if it is, Dr. Dooms durability and overall durability are enough to probably beat Hulk.

Originally posted by Robtard
What did those bolts do? Hulk took gun fire up to .50 caliber rounds, grenades, Stark sonic canons, and a fully armed gun-ship crashing into him. He also took punches from Abomination that were (from hands) strong enough to catch a missle and explode it without injury.

Most of the damage that the Hulk withstood were intended to damage by concussive force. Also, force generated by explosives disperse exponentially over an area/space.

The electric blasts from Doom possess extremely high temperatures, that are also concentrated into a single beam. Without effort, Doom was able to generate a blast that burnt a clean hole through someone. While fighting Richards, his blasts were also melting metal bars upon contact.

So difference between what Hulk was shown to survive, and Doom's blast:

- Concussive vs High Heat
- Dispersive Force vs Concentrated Beam

Also such a powerful electric shock will disrupt nerve function inducing involuntary spasms as well as causing the victim to be unable to perform any controlled coordinated movement. Shocks of a sufficiently high current will also lead to cardiac arrest and death.
BTW, will power does not allow one to overcome the neurological effects of an electric shock.

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Regarding Doom's metal body composition - it is definitely more durable than any other substance on Earth (except maybe adamantium), since it was able to withstand the temperatures of the sun. Doom's biological body system was also subjected to the same heat, and yet he survived.

I think Hulk would have been vaporized if he was thrown into the sun.

Hulk had a fully armed gun-ship crash and burn into him. He also has a healing factor, so I don't think it's safe to conclude that Doom's electrical blast will be able to take down Hulk, for certain.

Once again, I don't think Hulk would just walk in and smash Doom, easy ****ign peasy; my reason for Hulk winning is based on the grounds that neither could do much to premanently take the other down, except Hulk has his 'stress=more strength' factor that could potentially make him strong enough to take Doom down, while Doom comes as is.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. From what I hear, his highest jump was only like 50 feet. Despite that, Juggernaut has shown the physical might to hang with and at times dominate Hulk, hell, in World War Hulk, which is the strongest Hulk there is(second to Red Hulk ROFL), Juggernaut was dominating him, literally stomped his face into the ground with his boot.

And Hulk got up and started beating the crap out of him, then they were equal, then Juggs started using the whole super momentum thing, where he started to win.

Then, Huc used ultimo-PIS.

Also such a powerful electric shock will disrupt nerve function inducing involuntary spasms as well as causing the victim to be unable to perform any controlled coordinated movement. Shocks of a sufficiently high current will also lead to cardiac arrest and death.
BTW, will power does not allow one to overcome the neurological effects of an electric shock.

And you're assuming Hulk's regen factor wouldn't get him past this based on...

I don't think people are realizing that Doom, for whatever durability he has, can't actually kill Hulk. So even if Hulk can't beat him in base form, he will eventually.

Robbie seems to be the only person to get this...

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown

And you're assuming Hulk's regen factor wouldn't get him past this based on...

Based on the fact that he doesn't have a healing factor...

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
I don't think people are realizing that Doom, for whatever durability he has, can't actually kill Hulk. So even if Hulk can't beat him in base form, he will eventually.

Robbie seems to be the only person to get this...

Theoretically yes. But like Jax said, he got the massive strength amp in the movie when Betty's life was threatened. There won't be such a stimulus in this fight.

BTW, I don't ever remember where it is stated that Hulk gets stronger when he gets madder in the movie.

Also, why do you think Hulk will never be able to out muscle people like Thor, Lobo, Juggernaut etc? In theory it should be possible... but he's meant to be a low herald at best, and has no business taking on people out of his league (excluding special story arcs etc). This is what I think of the comics version anyway.

Originally posted by Placidity
Based on the fact that he doesn't have a healing factor...

He does have one, but he does scar when he heals, unlike Lee's version. Like it said, it was shown subtlely. The cut on his shoulder and the hole in his chest both where shown to be in better condition as time went on (not much time at that).

That picture actually proves he heals, the hole was much larger and circular when Abom first stabbed him; in the pic it's pressed together and blood isn't gushing out, the blood seen is the blood that originally gushed during injury.

By the time the Hulk leaves the rooftop, you see the cut has further healed, if he didn't have a HF, blood would have gushed throughtout the fight and so forth.

I can see your reasoning...but I would imagine that you can see the image is quite open to reasonably different interpretations regarding the presence/absence of a healing factor?

I won't say you're wrong, but I don't don't think you can say I'm wrong either. 😛

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
And Hulk got up and started beating the crap out of him, then they were equal, then Juggs started using the whole super momentum thing, where he started to win.

Then, Huc used ultimo-PIS.

Once again, Doom's blasts went through Sue's shield, you know? The one's that contained a Supernova?

But Hulk>>>That right!? durhulk

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
[B]O RLY? Hulk hit Juggernaut once, which...Oh yeah, didn't hurt him. Juggernaut was beating Hulk's ass, and when he was pushing him forward, he didn't even get to friggin build any momentum. Juggernaut DOMINATED the fight, until Hulk somehow sidestepped him and for some unknown reason Juggernaut lost his ability to stop running.

I d'unt remember it that way.. 313

Once again, Doom's blasts went through Sue's shield, you know? The one's that contained a Supernova?

Hooray. An attack that has nothing to do with a man who uses pure concussive force, which is entirely different from an attack that is pure heat and flame and no concussive force at all.

What's your point again?

People keep bringing up the supernova like it actually means shit. It's a flare of intense heat, nothing more nothing less. Unless Huc is using a flame thrower or holding a match to his ass and farting the feat is completely and utterly irrelevent in this fight.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
or holding a match to his ass and farting the feat is completely and utterly irrelevent in this fight.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown

People keep bringing up the supernova like it actually means shit. It's a flare of intense heat, nothing more nothing less.

Intense Heat....hm, I think you mean the temperature of the Sun.

Reed said it could ultimately destroy the planet.

Which it can't, because (I learned this recently), the heat of the sun is actually not enough to destroy the world. We've apparently created heat that's hotter the the sun that hasn't affected the planet.

Irregardless, it doesn't matter. If the attack had been that powerful anyone within a mile radius that wasn't super human would burst into flames... which they didn't.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Which it can't, because (I learned this recently), the heat of the sun is actually not enough to destroy the world.

Where did you learn this...

Anyway, Not directly...but

Here:

Susan Storm: You were at 4,000 degrees Kelvin! You were approaching Super-Nova!

Johnny Storm: Sweet!

Susan Storm: No, not "sweet"! That's the heat of the sun!

Reed Richards: You could kill yourself, other people, and burn up the atmosphere, ending all human life as we know it.

Johnny Storm: Got it. Super-Nova bad.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown

Irregardless, it doesn't matter. If the attack had been that powerful anyone within a mile radius that wasn't super human would burst into flames... which they didn't.

Because Sue Storm was suppressing it with her force field (yes its PIS, but it still happened).

Edit: And thats why someone was saying that Doom's blast must be very powerful since it penetrated her shield.

And then...

He used super nova outside of a chamber used to absorb heat.. I.E., out in the open...

If it could have even potentially ended all life on Earth then it would have done more then just burn Doom and maybe a block's worth of area effect.

It didn't.

So even if Supernova coudl do so, then all that means is that Johnny didn't actually use the attack on Doom, otherwise the planet would have been destroyed. He used a weaker version.

I said Sue was suppressing it...

and in the chamber they stopped him before he reached Super Nova. Read the transcript ... 🙁

Meaning it was weaker, since Sue was suppressing it? Otherwise even if she managed to surpress it from affecting everything else, Johnny should have at least died, since the energy was eminating from him.