Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Meaning it was weaker, since Sue was suppressing it? Otherwise even if she managed to surpress it from affecting everything else, Johnny should have at least died, since the energy was eminating from him.
Means Sue's shield are very powerful, and Doom's blast even more so, since it penetrated her shield... I said this already in previous post.
Also, Torch is immune to his own flames.
I've just realized that this entire discussion is irrelevant.
The supernova, even if it could destroy the world, which is unlikely, would destroy it by catching the atmosphere on fire. It's just moreintense heat, which has absolutely no bearing on Doom's shields being able to resist the Hulk's concussive force.
So again it is still a pointless feat to bring up in this debate.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
So then Reed was wrong.Which means... he's a fallible third party character... and the words of fallible third party characters shouldn't really be taken seriously? So, the supernova really being a world-destroying attack is, at best, speculation and theory.
Wait why is Reed wrong? 😕
Reed Richards wrong?
That is a concept I struggle with. Ever consider that maybe the flames would continuously expand outwards since Torch would lose control of it? Hence Sue's shields.
And regardless, it is still MUCH greater than anything Hulk has shown to take, it didn't do shit to Doom except melt his armor a little, and Sue's shields are what encased it. Doom however broke through Storm's shields.
Doom can one shot Hulk, like it or not.
And Hulk can't do shit to Doom.
EDIT: And Blax, I already told you temperatures hotter than the sun(it's surface anyway, don't know about core) have been recreated on Earth, but you still argued your point on the Amaterasu topic. Double standards ftl.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
With his blasts, you know, the ones that broke Sue's shields, which withstood Johnny's Supernova?
Doubtful they'd take out Hulk in one hit or even permanently put him down with multiple attacks.
I don't recall the blast 'withstanding the supernova', as I watched the movie once and it was shit. How did this come about?
Originally posted by Robtard1. Even though he never survived anything close to as powerful?
Doubtful they'd take out Hulk in one hit or even permanently put him down with multiple attacks.I don't recall the blast 'withstanding the supernova', as I watched the movie once and it was shit. How did this come about?
2. No, Sue's shields did. Doom's blast broke her shields.
Wasn't the Hulk tearing tanks apart like they were paper? The Thing certainly wasn't on this level when you consider that a tank can be ten times heavier than a truck. Oh have we forgotten how hard it was for the Thing to keep that truck from falling off of the bridge?
I just don't see how anything that Doom hurls at the Hulk could stop him, but I but see how enough hammering on Doom could crush him.
Originally posted by CaptainStoicNo, you are thinking of Ang Lee's Hulk.
Wasn't the Hulk tearing tanks apart like they were paper? The Thing certainly wasn't on this level when you consider that a tank can be ten times heavier than a truck. Oh have we forgotten how hard it was for the Thing to keep that truck from falling off of the bridge?I just don't see how anything that Doom hurls at the Hulk could stop him, but I but see how enough hammering on Doom could crush him.
And Doom's blasts>Torch's supernova.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, he did throw a huge boulder well into the horizon though; I believe he also launched it with just one arm/hand, like a shot-put. That certainly takes a lot of instant power. Shoving that gigantic liquid container so it slid while crashing easily through varies other equipment was no small feat either.Edit: This was before he did his visible strength increase too.
So his option is battlefield removal?
And still have Hulk (in the form currently discussing) showed that he was capable of making even a dent in Titanium ore breaking a diamond ore something like that because Dooms skin is harder.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Meaning it was weaker, since Sue was suppressing it? Otherwise even if she managed to surpress it from affecting everything else, Johnny should have at least died, since the energy was eminating from him.
To use Reeds words.
"Sue see if you can contain it." We have no idea how high the flame tornado that Torch created was and Sue was completely exhausted afterwards collapsing to the ground with blood flowing from her nose.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Even though he never survived anything close to as powerful?2. No, Sue's shields did. Doom's blast broke her shields.
I am asking you how powerful Doom's electrical attack is, I remember it burned through a guy and it melted some metal (I think) and you're saying it went through Sue's little bubbles, that won't bring down the Hulk for good, considering what he took.
Originally posted by RobtardAnd exactly what did he take that is that powerful?
I am asking you how powerful Doom's electrical attack is, I remember it burned through a guy and it melted some metal (I think) and you're saying it went through Sue's little bubbles, that won't bring down the Hulk for good, considering what he took.
Did you miss when I said that Sue's shields held Johnny's supernova?
But could not stop Doom.
Originally posted by Utrigita
To use Reeds words."Sue see if you can contain it." We have no idea how high the flame tornado that Torch created was and Sue was completely exhausted afterwards collapsing to the ground with blood flowing from her nose.
Bu she still did contain it, which means that the strength of it may have been diminished. If it was done full force it could have had catastrophic results. Maybe.
2. No, Sue's shields did. Doom's blast broke her shields.
Which is irrelevent. You're using A>B>C logic here.
Sue's shields > Johnny's Super nova.
Sue's Shields < Doom's blasts
thus,
Doom's blasts > Johnny's supernova
Doom's blasts > Huc.
The logic is messed up.
They're two completely different attacks with different characteristics. Doom's attacks use kinetic damage and electrical damage, whereas a supernova is an intense flare of heat. The only thing proven by the Doom > Sue > Johnny debcale is that her shields have a high resistence to heat and a lower resistence to kinetic force. Just because Doom's attack broke through her shields does not mean that it's > the supernova. If they were both electrical atatcks then you'd have a case. If they were fire you'd have a case. They're not.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
And exactly what did he take that is that powerful?Did you miss when I said that Sue's shields held Johnny's supernova?
But could not stop Doom.
I named those several pages back: grenades, many different kinds of ammo, fully loaded attack-copter crashing and burning into him and the Stark canons. He also took a serious beat-down from the Abomination, who was strong enough to catch a missile and let it explode in his hand without any damage.
I did not, I do question how powerful that supernova was and if Johnny had gone all out though? Also, when he broke her shields, she was already weakened right?
Edit: Blax also has a point, you're comparing apples to oranges, in a fashion.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Bu she still did contain it, which means that the strength of it may have been diminished. If it was done full force it could have had catastrophic results. Maybe.
"may have?" it could have been increased, it could have made contact with the atmosphere it could have been the height of a 3 stories building, there is a lot of if's, the only known facts is that Sue contained a FireTornado with a degree of 5000 Celsius.