Originally posted by RevanRedeemed
I think Revan, because Vader and Galen can use the Death Star, but Revan and Malak can use the Star Forge. And since Malak can't control the power of the Star Forge, Revan alone wins. I also don't think Revan sucks, it's just because he has a mysterious past, that's all.
Did you read the thread? This is a two vs two battle on the Executor. No SF or DS involved and a battle between the Galactic Empire and Revan's Sith Empire has been done before and Revan's empire loses every time.
Yeah KOTOR characters are off limits from now on, we can't judge their powers other than from personal interpretation. However if I could gauge Revan and Malak's power just from the implications of the game I'd put KOTOR Revan slightly below Yoda, and on par with Mace Windu. Malak would be on par/slightly below Dooku. But based on Canon evidence we have nothing, we don't even know how Revan looked like lol. And so the TFU team curbstomps, especially on the Executor, where Vader and SK know the corridors of the Executor, and could ambush them with ease
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Ladies and Gentleman, drum roll please! Prepare for Master Crimzon's Delusion Breaker! 🤘 🤘 🤘 🤘 🤘Well, folks, it's a rough night out here tonight, with crazed, misguided, wayward folk. Tonight, we deal with a certain person by the name of Enyalus, who is clearly mistaken regarding his utterly mis-defined explanations of a certain Darth Revan, an unreasonably popular Sith Lord. Tonight, we show how, and why, Revan sucks cock!
[B]The Delusion
: Revan is full of win.The Cold, Hard Truth: Revan, in fact, is a personality-less, pathetic loser of the species "Fanboyus Magneticus"! In fact, Revan is known to have no character flaws, only excelling at... err... every field concievable to man kind! That's right, folks, Revan is virtually a perfect being! So why, you may ask, is he known as an epically failed guy? Perhaps because he is known to have no personality at all, aside from the flexible personality adapted by the user of the videogame. Essentially, the truth is that the video game player in fact falls in love with himself, or, at least, a character that personifies his or her personality whatever way they wish. In essence, Revan is a 'Fanboyus Magneticus' because people are, in secret, self-serving, self-loving individuals. How can a human resist himself, only wielding a lightsaber and using mega force powers?! Yes, falling in love with yourself is kind of sick. And kind of gay (or lesbian).
So, in essence, Revan is YOU who happens to be an extremely powerful warrior, extremely proficient pilot, extremely intelligent, extremely tactically minded. In short, he's you and all the things you dream about being in your more geeky dreams. That kind of sucks.
Conclusion: Revan sucks ass. We hope we helped you out, Enyalus!
Yeah, Enyalus, can you possibly think of a better argument to refute your points? I'M THE MASTA!
😈 [/B]
I'm enlightened. At last, I can see Revan's bad point.
Originally posted by Lucien A
Frankly I'd like to see a system of hierarchy which places the more ancient Jedi and Sith above their PT counterparts, but alas...And yeah, we gotta stop with the KotOR stuff, all the ambiguity and supposition is getting old.
I don't see how ancient Jedi/Sith can be above their descendants since they have generations of revision and improvement of previous techniques. GL calls the PT Jedi the golden generation precisely because they have improved techniques and have had a good long time without big destructive wars to progress their teachings without major interruptions.
Originally posted by Gideon
Because Force aptitude should not increase nor decline with the passage of time.
That doesn't follow, either in the case of an individual or of an order.
An individual should always be growing in force mastery. Knowledge and understanding would only grow as time passed.
The Jedi order spent a thousand years 'contemplating the mysteries of the Force'. (RotS novelization- I think) The mysteries would continue to be unlocked- there is no reason to believe that the ancient Jedi knew everything the Modern Jedi knew. Just look at Vaapad- yet another case of Force aptitude (because Vaapad is a method of channeling the force) increasing over time.
This is ignoring Palpatine, who 'invented new techniques at his leisure'. The possibility of creating new techniques shows the capacity of Force aptitude of an order (in this case the sith) to grow, as does Bane's implementation of the Rule of Two. Knowledge and methodology are not static- as time progresses they become more refined and efficient.
I'm bumping this to piss off legend if he reads it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWow and just what exactly puts revan among the most powerful sith lords in history? Right, as far as combat feats shown on paper or on scree, nothing.
Pre-kotOR Revan could be Darth Revan who is among the most powerful, knowledgeable and wise Sith Lords in the history of Star Wars.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBig deal, galens lightning brought down ATAT's and wiped out entire battalions of stormtroopers did jack to vader(he did shrug it off you know).
He also knows Force Lightning Storm, which is a technique that is more than enough to overwhelm a single individual in combat and this is Suited Vader we are talking about here, right? Hmm!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd you fail to notice that bastila is nothing special, carth is a non force user and by your own admission revan is still in shock of the "terrifying" revelation causing him to get overwhelmed by a simply force stun.
You indeed failed to notice that Malak actually won on Leviathan, despite being out-numbered by 3 to 1.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAs far as sheer power and command of the force, vader and galen vastly surpass them.
So is Revan and Malak is not far behind.
More knowledge of the force = jack without the substantial force command and raw power.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd how is vader going to get knocked out? Because he got clumsy and hit his head a little too hard?
If Vader is knocked out during the combat than I don't see him taking on Revan and Malak simultaneously alone and win.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBecause you say so? Oh i know so, so i say thats a no no.
You know what? The KOTOR Team at this stage will be nearly unstoppable.
This isn't even on the SF.
*Waits for legend and masturbates vigorously* 😄