Delph's League of Champions Stats, Standings, and Transactions Thread

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I'd better say WTF. Sebastian Faust is 30pter at the lowest- and damn high end one (may be allowed by precedent set with 3rd age Spawn, though, I wanted to have some people picked under that precedent as well).

Mages for 25 points are the ones with some limitations- like Zachary Zatara or Daytripper (one can't manipulate sentient life directly, another has "jumping" and surrounding-dependant energy reserve ranging from impressing Dormammu (it was in Limbo with her reserve at highest) to being unable to affect iron or fully transmute set of clothes). "Omnivores" like Sebastian Faust are 30pts...

And Smurphy darling, almost ready to spend my last 3 posts on some asskicking.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Faust is limited. Every thing he does has a price. And if he uses too powerful of magik, it has a backlash.

You do realise that the same argument was used to justify the 3rd age Spawn being 30pts instead of low herald? The feats from Sebastian Faust RT are justifying him as 30pointer.

In fact, I've thought he was in herald tier, and considered myself lucky that 3rd age Spawn was eligible for the tourney- Sebastian Faust is at the same power level as a mage.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
You do realise that the same argument was used to justify the 3rd age Spawn being 30pts instead of low herald? The feats from Sebastian Faust RT are justifying him as 30pointer.

In fact, I've thought he was in herald tier, and considered myself lucky that 3rd age Spawn was eligible for the tourney- Sebastian Faust is at the same power level as a mage.

Originally posted by leonidas
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according to marvel and all the sites i checked, meanstreak can't reach the speed of sound. (and mach 7 is NOT lightspeed. 😐 )

all speedsters have decent regeneration. if he has something really special, show me please.

according to what i've read and seen of his, he is slower (by quite a bit) than quicksilver, and can't sustain his speed for very long. slower and less durable and less endurance than quicksilver=more points than quicksilver? 😑

show proof with scans and i'll gladly switch him out. proof or move along . . .

delph said 10 for fabian, who'd get his a$$ kicked by almost any street leveller. don't like it, pm delph cuz as i said i talked to him about cortez already and he's the only one i need to back up the pick. 😉

so yeah, our team rocks. 🙂

Fabian gets his ass kicked by street levelers, yet he has a power set. A power set automatically sets you to a 20 pointers, regardless of how competent a character is because this is a PIS/CIS free tournament.

And I will ask you again, why is a competent speedster being drafted for lower points then Quicksilver when Meanstreak is clearly the superior out of the two? Don’t give me this bullshit reason of wiki/marvel stating he reaches march 7. That’s lame, and everyone knows better then to take whats posted in those sites with a fine grain of salt.

Originally posted by id369
I am not swayed by this delirium of an argument.

Fabian gets his ass kicked by street levelers, yet he has a power set. A power set automatically sets you to a 20 pointers, regardless of how competent a character is because this is a PIS/CIS free tournament.

And I will ask you again, why is a competent speedster being drafted for lower points then Quicksilver when Meanstreak is clearly the superior out of the two? Don’t give me this bullshit reason of wiki/marvel stating he reaches march 7. That’s lame, and everyone knows better then to take whats posted in those sites with a fine grain of salt.

Depends on what powerset. Fabian Cortez= Synergy from WS. The only power is specifical boosting power related only to the superpowers of selected origin (in Cortez' case- mutants). I guess there Delph went by Synergy precedent.

Strictly passive superpowers are not enough to classify to meta level. Oracle has superhumanly perfect photographic memory (immune to brainwashing due to that), and Night Thrasher is immune to mind probing. Yet they're low street tier people.

Semi-passive boosting power limited to one kind of superpowers only is plausible to be at meta level. A random passive\semi-passive superpower doesn't make person a meta. I'm neither for not against...it just seems that Delph gauged that by Synergy.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Depends on what powerset. Fabian Cortez= Synergy from WS. The only power is specifical boosting power related only to the superpowers of selected origin (in Cortez' case- mutants). I guess there Delph went by Synergy precedent.

Strictly passive superpowers are not enough to classify to meta level. Oracle has superhumanly perfect photographic memory (immune to brainwashing due to that), and Night Thrasher is immune to mind probing. Yet they're low street tier people.

Semi-passive boosting power limited to one kind of superpowers only is plausible to be at meta level. A random passive\semi-passive superpower doesn't make person a meta. I'm neither for not against...it just seems that Delph gauged that by Synergy.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I agree. He may even be only 5 points since He can't fight for shit. And he can only boost mutants.

Synergy (Christine Trealny) went for 5 points... she boosted only specific kind of metahumans in Wildstorm (don't remember what, I didn't read Stormwatch, but it was her boosting that gave Swift fully-fledged wings instead of Beak-like powers she originally posessed).

And Id, when I'm on here, I'd advice you not to use "global range feat without Cerebra" when talking about psionics\telepaths from DC or Image. Cerebra or such kind of range amplifiers is Marvel-only stuff...the need for them is explained by Marvel Earth' magnetosphere being distorted to inhibit long range telepathy and almost completely cancel "Earth-to-space" one.

DC Earth and Image Earth don't have such curcumstances and it's possible even for bush league telepaths here to send messages\etc globally.

In Marvel psionics do operate at higher "psi-gravity" thus the need of boosting technology and less global range feats compared to DC or Image. In Marvel, only the telepaths of top 10 (probably) were able to actively overcome the magnetosphere distortion.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Sebation faust has many powers. But the level of power is hardly Iron Man. Iron Man has blown up cities and withstood blast that can take out whole Cities. I've seen faust melt a wall of steel, teleport, use minor fire. Can you name one feat that is even touching Iron Man stats? I want him for his versatility. Not his power level. Cuz he's done nothing noteworthy of Iron Man level.

Spiral was set at 30 and Sebastian has equal or better feats than her. Of course, there's only my opinion...and the last word should be on Delph.
The only case Sebastian may classify as 25pointer is if he (like Daytripper) has really unstable energy reserve and his high end feats were performed at the peak of that reserve while his average is lower. From what I've seen from RT, that isn't so...

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Depends on what powerset. Fabian Cortez= Synergy from WS. The only power is specifical boosting power related only to the superpowers of selected origin (in Cortez' case- mutants). I guess there Delph went by Synergy precedent.

Strictly passive superpowers are not enough to classify to meta level. Oracle has superhumanly perfect photographic memory (immune to brainwashing due to that), and Night Thrasher is immune to mind probing. Yet they're low street tier people.

Semi-passive boosting power limited to one kind of superpowers only is plausible to be at meta level. A random passive\semi-passive superpower doesn't make person a meta. I'm neither for not against...it just seems that Delph gauged that by Synergy.

Exactly why are we going to withhold our breath and allow Leo to draft Fabian for 10 points. Its obvious he plans to use its entire power set, since he linked a marvel website that claims he can farther empower any super powered character (not limited to mutants). Look at his team, other then Fabian you have 1 more mutant, and is already a tournament speed cap since he hit light speed. The clause as to why he is justified for 10 points (not even 15 but 10 (!)) is he gets his ass kicked by street levelers is ridiculous. I feel as I am missing something, but for all intents and purposes they intend to use Fabian full set of power, for well under the margin that rightfully belongs 20 point draft. As much as Meanstreak should go for 25-30 points.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Spiral was set at 30 and Sebastian has equal or better feats than her. Of course, there's only my opinion...

Originally posted by id369
Exactly why are we going to withhold our breath and allow Leo to draft Fabian for 10 points. Its obvious he plans to use its entire power set, since he linked a marvel website that claims he can farther empower any super powered character (not limited to mutants). Look at his team, other then Fabian you have 1 more mutant, and is already a tournament speed cap since he hit light speed. The clause as to why he is justified for 10 points (not even 15 but 10 (!)) is he gets his ass kicked by street levelers is ridiculous. I feel as I am missing something, but for all intents and purposes they intend to use Fabian full set of power, for well under the margin that rightfully belongs 20 point draft. As much as Meanstreak should go for 25-30 points.

you make a good case. But should we gripe baised upon what we think people intend on doing, or on the character itself? I knew charlotte was going to use emma to make miss martian a mid herald level character. And I bitched about it. But in the end, it was her feats that counted.

Originally posted by id369
Exactly why are we going to withhold our breath and allow Leo to draft Fabian for 10 points. Its obvious he plans to use its entire power set, since he linked a marvel website that claims he can farther empower any super powered character (not limited to mutants). Look at his team, other then Fabian you have 1 more mutant, and is already a tournament speed cap since he hit light speed. The clause as to why he is justified for 10 points (not even 15 but 10 (!)) is he gets his ass kicked by street levelers is ridiculous. I feel as I am missing something, but for all intents and purposes they intend to use Fabian full set of power, for well under the margin that rightfully belongs 20 point draft. As much as Meanstreak should go for 25-30 points.

Show me where Meanstreak run on lightspeed. I thought he was only several times speed of sound. 25 points is fair price, Quicksilver went for 25.

Tourney speed cap=Max 10, which is far less than lightspeed...

Cortez can not only boost mutants but "overload" them as well- so...turns out he's >Synergy and you're right. Simple boost (or tricks like my little one with increasing psy-energy reserve of M'gann via amalgamation) isn't the case to rise prices for any mutant on the team, though.

Originally posted by fangirl101
😕 Are you kidding me? Spiral would kick the holy crap out of faust. His magic isn't even that fast on the fly. Only his soul magic is fast. Any offensive powers aren't beyond low meta. And his defensive shields are at best mid meta. I've only seen him shield from building crashing blast.

OK. Let it be. I'm not a *****...and that' even more convinient for me.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

And Id, when I'm on here, I'd advice you not to use "global range feat without Cerebra" when talking about psionics\telepaths from DC or Image. Cerebra or such kind of range amplifiers is Marvel-only stuff...the need for them is explained by Marvel Earth' magnetosphere being distorted to inhibit long range telepathy and almost completely cancel "Earth-to-space" one.

DC Earth and Image Earth don't have such curcumstances and it's possible even for bush league telepaths here to send messages\etc globally.

In Marvel psionics do operate at higher "psi-gravity" thus the need of boosting technology and less global range feats compared to DC or Image. In Marvel, only the telepaths of top 10 (probably) were able to actively overcome the magnetosphere distortion.

I think you should keep your advices to yourself, and let me handle my team as I see fit. Magical based telepaths such as Spawn would not be hindered by the qusi science that limits Marvel telepath.

In fact I don’t see why you feel the need to bring up a competition topic now in this thread, when I am in the middle of a match up.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
OK. Let it be. I'm not a *****...and that' even more convinient for me.

Is it me or is it getting stuffy in here. My goodness. Let's talk about draft picks only mmkay. So we all can keep it civil. listen to me. The one to talk about being civil. LOL.

Originally posted by fangirl101
It's nothing to worry about anyway. Have you seen how many times I've changed my team. I have a bye week next week. So I'll have a new team again lol.

I'm not worried. I'm talking about price-precedent. There was certain character...though I'm not too knowledgeable on him and it would have ended up as "pick for the sake of lulz".

Originally posted by id369
I think you should keep your advices to yourself, and let me handle my team as I see fit. Magical based telepaths such as Spawn would not be hindered by the qusi science that limits Marvel telepath.

In fact I don’t see why you feel the need to bring up a competition topic now in this thread, when I am in the middle of a match up.

And he won't be anyways as they're from Image. In DC or Image there are no artificial barriers for TP.
Sorry... just get a little...carried away?

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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I'm not worried. I'm talking about price-precedent. There was certain character...though I'm not too knowledgeable on him and it would have ended up as "pick for the sake of lulz".

Originally posted by fangirl101
you make a good case. But should we gripe baised upon what we think people intend on doing, or on the character itself? I knew charlotte was going to use emma to make miss martian a mid herald level character. And I bitched about it. But in the end, it was her feats that counted.

No you see, that isn't the point.

Members nit-pick about what characters can do on their own, as a stand alone. I could care less, what you do to empower or attain from such character.

Take for example Fabian and how tier list is set up for draft.

Any fictional character, that openly exhibit’s a super power (not enhanced physical stats). But a direct super power, warrants them to be placed in the Metahuman league. I know there are some that reach a grey area, that can play between 15/20 points. But Fabians are clearly defined.

He has the power to empower metahumans. Fantastic, preach on brother do your thing.

Ok I draft Fabian for 10.…..wait what? Yeah he has super powers, but he gets his as kicked all the time. …….errr If don’t so say something now, I will regret it for not voicing out my opinion later.

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Ok so if this is permissible, Can I re-draft Current Cable for 15 instead of 20? All he has are cybernetic parts that mildly increase his strength, and a personal computer.