Delph's League of Champions Stats, Standings, and Transactions Thread

Originally posted by DigiMark007
the onus is upon those drafting a character to establish his powers or non-powers.

At this point I'd like Digi to prove that Death's Head II can't mentally control chickens, that he can't summon the power of Greyskull and that he can't transmute elements using the toes on his left foot ... until such proof is brought forward I'm going to have to ask that he's not allowed to be used in any more matches.

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Or do you want to change your stance on people proving what powers their character don't have?

Originally posted by Scoobless
At this point I'd like Digi to prove that Death's Head II can't mentally control chickens, that he can't summon the power of Greyskull and that he can't transmute elements using the toes on his left foot ... until such proof is brought forward I'm going to have to ask that he's not allowed to be used in any more matches.

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Or do you want to change your stance on people proving what powers their character don't have?

Scoob, we have already decided that Cho has no TK (TK in bio is the same kind of red herring as Cordelia Frost's empathy or Shinobi Shaw's ability to become diamond hard), we're arguing over how potent his ability to create "chain effects" is (weaker than the one of true precogs, since it's based not on precognition\psionic probability alteration but on calculations\data analysis thus he can perform it no longer than 10 minutes in the future, unlike upper limit of Layla's "domino effects" which are billion years in the future).

So- he has "domino effect", but it works consciously (based off data calculus, not precognition powers) and can be calculated for no longer than 10 minutes in the future (true precogs have no upper time limit).

Cho has zero powers ... being smart enough to know where to aim a thrown missile for maximum effect isn't a huge deal.

And it's not probability altering, it's probability factoring, same thing we all do when crossing the street, just taken to a higher level.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Cho has zero powers ... being smart enough to know where to aim a thrown missile for maximum effect isn't a huge deal.

And it's not probability altering, it's probability factoring, same thing we all do when crossing the street, just taken to a higher level.

Midnighter does similar things a hundred times better than Cho.

Originally posted by fangirl101
It's Cool. Midnighter does the same thing all of the time. Plus he's got real powers. The kid at 5 doesn't bother me.

Nor me (I still wait what my friend shows as proof of his information about Cho=toned down Layla Miller). Anyways, he's base human otherwise, so...

Note- it's the same dude who believes Weasley Gibson=Rose Tattoo and that Emma Frost has displayed tactile TK on panel, so I take his info with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by Scoobless
At this point I'd like Digi to prove that Death's Head II can't mentally control chickens, that he can't summon the power of Greyskull and that he can't transmute elements using the toes on his left foot ... until such proof is brought forward I'm going to have to ask that he's not allowed to be used in any more matches.

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Or do you want to change your stance on people proving what powers their character don't have?

None of those are stated in a Marvel-sanctioned bio for Minion. Quit being silly.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
None of those are stated in a Marvel-sanctioned bio for Minion. Quit being silly.

But if someone were to add them, would you be forced to produce every single showing of the character just to counter it?

The only way to prove a character doesn't have any particular power is to show every single panel they have ever appeared in.

I've read pretty much everything Cho has appeared in and I've never once seen any evidence of any super power.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
As my friend put it "the only difference is that Layla knows and Cho calculates. Both can destroy a brick wall by throwing a stone in exactly the needed place. The thing is that Cho needs to examine the wall and calculate trajectory of the stone,

sorry, cdb, but frankly--from all i've ever seen of the kid--that is completely inaccurate. you're describing karnak. no way, no where, has he ever been shown to do ANYTHING like that. 😬

if something is thrown at him, or shot at him, he can calculate trajectories and predict effects of his actions AGAINST said assaults in almost the exact same way a great billiards player can calculate the effects of his next shot.

Originally posted by Scoobless
But if someone were to add them, would you be forced to produce every single showing of the character just to counter it?

The only way to prove a character doesn't have any particular power is to show every single panel they have ever appeared in.

I've read pretty much everything Cho has appeared in and I've never once seen any evidence of any super power.

Only certain sites are easily edited by the public. I'm not talking about people sabotaging wiki or something.

Btw, I took leo's word for it that he didn't have powers. MN'er-lite sounds a bit > 5 pts. to me anyway, but I'll relent because it's not literal tk.

The issue was never with Cho himself, which I haven't really been a part of since initially bringing it up for discussion. The issue was with drafting those with stated powers that most of us can't confirm or deny. A quick "hey, the bio states this, but we've never seen it so it's likely false and won't be used, but if anyone knows about it please share" is the proper reaction. Smurph did something similar a page ago or so with Mantis and possible pre-cog powers. You guys, on the other hand, acted like we were in the wrong for questioning him when we read the bio. We weren't. We can't know every character. So yeah, informing us of your choices powers (and non-powers if they're listed in the bio) falls squarely on you.

Your argument otherwise falls dangerously close to fangirl's earlier argument that "you should know all the powers for the people I draft" which is absurd.

Cho's a go.

Yo... bardock

While you're around, ill:

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Terrific should be 20, btw. And Mantis' pre-cog is fairly robust. She's used it in almost every issue of Guardians of the Galaxy so far. Might need to take a look at that.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
informing us of your choices powers (and non-powers if they're listed in the bio) falls squarely on you.

Your argument otherwise falls dangerously close to fangirl's earlier argument that "you should know all the powers for the people I draft" which is absurd.

This is the link I provided for the draft:

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Amadeus_Cho_(Earth-616)

Powers

None known.

So you'll have to forgive me for believing that I already provided that info.

(although I'm not sure why it lists TK in the "abilities" section... ???)

Never actually noticed that before.... 😮

hey, i asked for proof. she said she'll show some stuff later, and that's fine, but if she (cdb) wants to continue to discuss the character in a civil manner, i have no problem indulging and informing. i'm not saying anyone is wrong for questioning. it was questioned, and addressed. cdb and i are having a discussion about him is all.

Originally posted by leonidas
sorry, cdb, but frankly--from all i've ever seen of the kid--that is completely inaccurate. you're describing karnak. no way, no where, has he ever been shown to do ANYTHING like that. 😬

if something is thrown at him, or shot at him, he can calculate trajectories and predict effects of his actions AGAINST said assaults in almost the exact same way a great billiards player can calculate the effects of his next shot.

As I've said, I know nothing about Cho and operate on what I was told. Anyway, I'll wait for proof. If Cho's powers\abilities were never used offensively as Scoobs says and simply to calculate safe distance or anything, then I'll shut up- have nothing against him in personal. From what my friend said, he can use his powers in Karnak-esque fashion. Though he likes to speculate on several powersets (like he was sure that Emma Frost has tactile TK but then used Ramos' weird art as proof).

But such "fanboy powers" need to be investigated clearly (the examples of fanboy powers being Cordelia Frost's empathy or Shinobi Shaw ability to become diamond-hard)- whether it's something purely red herring or misinterpretation of what was never shown on panel.

If it's purely passive calculation of safe distance etc without Karnak-esque applications of powers- fine with me. Hell, even low-level Karnakesqueness I can live with.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
As I've said, I know nothing about Cho and operate on what I was told. Anyway, I'll wait for proof. If Cho's powers\abilities were never used offensively as Scoobs says and simply to calculate safe distance or anything, then I'll shut up- have nothing against him in personal. From what my friend said, he can use his powers in Karnak-esque fashion.

But such "fanboy powers" need to be investigated clearly (the examples of fanboy powers being Cordelia Frost's empathy or Shinobi Shaw ability to become diamond-hard)- whether it's something purely red herring or being never shown on panel.

no worries. 👆

Originally posted by Scoobless
This is the link I provided for the draft:

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Amadeus_Cho_(Earth-616)

So you'll have to forgive me for believing that I already provided that info.

(although I'm not sure why it lists TK in the "abilities" section... ???)

It is in the abilities section, as you stated. So you'll have to forgive me for questioning you about something that sounds exactly like a power.

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Our job as competitors is to keep each other honest. I feel like we'd be remiss for not pointing it out and at least asking for clarification. Which you then gave, so thanks. Just don't act like we're out of line.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It is in the abilities section, as you stated. So you'll have to forgive me for questioning you about something that sounds exactly like a power.

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Our job as competitors is to keep each other honest. I feel like we'd be remiss for not pointing it out and at least asking for clarification. Which you then gave, so thanks. Just don't act like we're out of line.

Like I said ... I didn't notice it before.

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Frankly, I didn't even read the bio, I just did a quick search and posted the first one Google offered me (only had a minute or so to get it posted)

whistling

Originally posted by Scoobless
(only had a minute or so to get it posted)

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Ah yes, the "holy sh*t we need new draft picks in 5 minutes!!" approach you guys have been using so far.

I hear there's some steals still left out there....better hurry.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/daddylonglegskole.htm

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/wagnerlarry.htm

ha-son

Originally posted by DigiMark007

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/wagnerlarry.htm

ha-son

He can speak German ... that automatically means he's a mtach for Captain America, therefore he's at least 15 pts.

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Also, we totally forgot about the Cortez points issue until I was logging off on Wednesday night ... Leo was good enough to do f**k all about it, leaving it for me to do with less than 5 minutes before the end of the draft when I was supposed to be going to work (yup ... late again)