...So I was asked to give my two cents about Nate Grey. The only way I'd be able to give a definite answer is if someone clarifies whether or not Cable T.O. is some how reigniting Jean Greys sans PF Phoenix powers in the Tourney fair game?
Nates TP wasn't as deadly as it should have been against other telepaths due to his inexperience. His TK however was uber and that powerset of TP and TK would automatically put him at low herald level IMO. Pre-Emperor Vulcan Rachel Grey who was also quite inexperienced in her Telepathy would also be at Low Herald level just for the fact that her TK can work at on atomic scale and the sheer raw reserves of psionic energy.
Nates powerset is Low Herald his inexperience is a handicap that would allow high meta telepaths to knock him around but that would still put him at Low Herald. His TK is what makes the draft a bit iffy.
The difference with drafting Jean and Nate is that Jean has to be sans Phoenix and it's very difficult to find viable feats for her so if you draft her you're basically handicapping yourself.
As for Xavier I've always been torn with that list but granted Mister Sinister could also be seen as Low Herald when you take his Invulnerability, Teleportation and High Level Telepathy into account he hasn't done much with his TK. Heck he has almost as many powers as Exodus and Selene.
Originally posted by id369
What do you mean by: Cable T.O. is some how reigniting Jean Greys sans PF Phoenix powers in the Tourney fair game?
Crap 😮
I meant:
Are you allowed to remove the T.O. virus from Cable or some how reigniting Jean Greys Phoenix powers in the Tourney? I know you'd draft them as Jean Sans PF and Cable T.O. but if you could find away to turn them into Phoenix Force Jean and Messiah Cable then would you be allowed to do that?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Crap 😮I meant:
Are you allowed to remove the T.O. virus from Cable or some how reigniting Jean Greys Phoenix powers in the Tourney? I know you'd draft them as Jean Sans PF and Cable T.O. but if you could find away to turn them into Phoenix Force Jean and Messiah Cable then would you be allowed to do that?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Crap 😮I meant:
is Cable T.O. or some how reigniting Jean Greys sans PF Phoenix powers in the Tourney fair game?
Yep.
Cable with the T.O. can be drafted. Finding a way to purge his T.O. during the match is fair game. (heh).
Jean Sans PF, is fair game as well. If members can find a way to reignite her PF it is fair game as well. (yeah good luck with that).
I see, the thing with Nate though is that even as a novice his precision and power with his TK was pretty uber which is why he really should be Low Herald. Even Endangered Species reminded us about how easily he telekinetically warped the environment.(Heck even that AoA What if which takes place in his Earth was quite impressive)
But then again I feel that if Mr. Sinister was allowed then so should Nate Grey. While Mr. Sinister may have not had the potential to become something like Shaman (Which I'm being told is acceptable) but the numerous powers still put him on team busting status much like Exodus and Selene.
Sure some High Meta's can give them trouble but that's only due the nature of their powersets. It's kind of like a metal being fighting Proteus.
I used Jean Grey as my leverage to compare if Nate Grey should be allowed or not. Feat for Feat, they are fairly even. Power for Power, I get the same sense of awe with Jean Omega status and Nates potential.
However I noticed that for every big feat, Nate attempted it was met with drastic consequences. I also noticed that his track record in his battles does not scream, Magneto, Stryfe, or Exodus level. Which I believe are solid Low Heralds.
Plus various members (who will remain unnamed) pointed out how easily their drafted character took care of a Pre-Shaman X-Man. So I says to myself. Then why not draft him considering everything else. The only thing, members can really argue are his potential. But feat wise, on panel confrontations, I figured it justified my reasons for the draft?
Do members understand where I am coming from?
Originally posted by id369
I used Jean Grey as my leverage to compare if Nate Grey should be allowed or not. Feat for Feat, they are fairly even. Power for Power, I get the same sense of awe with Jean Omega status and Nates potential.However I noticed that for every big feat, Nate attempted it was met with drastic consequences. I also noticed that his track record in his battles does not scream, Magneto, Stryfe, or Exodus level. Which I believe are solid Low Heralds.
Plus various members (who will remain unnamed) pointed out how easily their drafted character took care of a Pre-Shaman X-Man. So I says to myself. Then why not draft him considering everything else. The only thing, members can really argue are his potential. But feat wise, on panel confrontations, I figured it justified my reasons for the draft?
Do members understand where I am coming from?
San PF means sans PF fellas. Sans. Without. Not There. Etc. Turning on Cable is one thing, since it was always dormant inside of him, but saying that you are drafting a character "without" something means it actually isn't there. It's just the literal meaning of the word "sans." Otherwise there's no way she'd be allowed.
Or can I draft Mary Marvel for 5 points and "turn on" her High Meta powers for no extra charge? It's the same thing.
Originally posted by id369
I used Jean Grey as my leverage to compare if Nate Grey should be allowed or not. Feat for Feat, they are fairly even. Power for Power, I get the same sense of awe with Jean Omega status and Nates potential.However I noticed that for every big feat, Nate attempted it was met with drastic consequences. I also noticed that his track record in his battles does not scream, Magneto, Stryfe, or Exodus level. Which I believe are solid Low Heralds.
Plus various members (who will remain unnamed) pointed out how easily their drafted character took care of a Pre-Shaman X-Man. So I says to myself. Then why not draft him considering everything else. The only thing, members can really argue are his potential. But feat wise, on panel confrontations, I figured it justified my reasons for the draft?
Do members understand where I am coming from?
That's true but, like I said before Jean sans PF is a liability IMO.
If you mean Emma and Sinister telepathically you're right they have made him look like a chump but that wouldn't place Emma at low herald heck I have trouble seeing Xavier at low herald. Nate Grey's TK though was not only Raw like his telepathy he was gifted when it came to control and precision.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
San PF means sans PF fellas. Sans. Without. Not There. Etc. Turning on Cable is one thing, since it was always dormant inside of him, but saying that you are drafting a character "without" something means it actually isn't there. It's just the literal meaning of the word "sans." Otherwise there's no way she'd be allowed.Or can I draft Mary Marvel for 5 points and "turn on" her High Meta powers for no extra charge? It's the same thing.
Originally posted by fangirl101
You should be good on nate as long as you argue on panel and not potential. Unless you figure away around his huge handicap. He's like spawn. He can't really use his power like he wants. Or he'd self terminate and lose your match for you.
Something like that. What I was going to do was fuse him with Spawn. Spawn already has all of Cables experience, from my prep where I hooked him up to the machine that states years of Cables experience can be downloaded in seconds. So X-Man would instantly be able to pull off, every feat God Like Cable did because know he has the power to do so.
Also Nate would not run the risk of burning out, thanks to Spawn insane healing abilities. Plus Spawn is proven to handle limitless amount of energy. The comic states he can handle them, he has proven he can handle those powers, when he became a Demon Lord akin to Mephisto, or God Spawn where he became um Nigh invincible.
That was the plan it was a nasty plan.
Originally posted by fangirl101
If he drafts Jean grey who couldn't access the Pf, but it was there, then I'd find that to be legal. Who ever fights him would be screwed.
Not how it works. Like when Lex was banned from bringing his armor into battle by delph because he was bought for 5 pts. Or my Marvel example, which I briefly tried and was shot down. The precedent has already been set, and it's a loophole that wouldn't be allowed. Creativity is fine, amping is fine. But within the rules.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
San PF means sans PF fellas. Sans. Without. Not There. Etc. Turning on Cable is one thing, since it was always dormant inside of him, but saying that you are drafting a character "without" something means it actually isn't there. It's just the literal meaning of the word "sans." Otherwise there's no way she'd be allowed.Or can I draft Mary Marvel for 5 points and "turn on" her High Meta powers for no extra charge? It's the same thing.
I think the conclusion was, any feat past the Dark Phoenix saga should be ruled. Since that would mean that a portion of the PF laid within Jean since their unification in the original Phoenix arc.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So drafting Marvel Girl pre-UXM#99 and then putting her in the same strenuous predicament that allowed her to become the Phoenix during prep would be legal then?
10 minute time limit, and can only make use of the last known base. I don’t think, flying through a heavily induced radiated flied in the Black Bird, counts as a base. Interacting with the Phoenix, would be dubbed as outside interference.
Originally posted by fangirl101
If he drafts Jean grey who couldn't access the Pf, but it was there, then I'd find that to be legal. Who ever fights him would be screwed.
You are getting close, there is a better way. A proven way for her to re-establish her link with the Phoenix Force. And I know its fair game.
…It contemplates the reigniting part of the Phoenix Force. Now if only Kfish dropped Jean Grey