I'm a sophomore now, and it was a choice for our 'Project Books'- really just a glorified Personal Reading book. A lot of us read it in 8th grade, and about half of us enjoyed it. If you skim through some of the more angsty sections (like the part about the nuns) then its really not a bad book. In fact, most teens go through a phase where everything seems 'phony' or hypocritical. The main character was just significantly more outspoken in his whinyness.
Originally posted by Faunus
Or Galen using his TK to throw something really, really heavy? Or they just coordinate themselves and fight?
Galen's TK isn't on par with Vader's, as evidenced by Galen initially throwing the pillars and Vader easily stopping it. Then Galen does his crappy Force wave, knocking Vader to the ground and pulling more pillars down to crush him.
We've seen Yoda stop a fast moving pod thrown by the Emperor, and they were equal. Since it's evident that the Emperor's power is much greater than Galen's, I'm sure Palpatine would have little trouble stopping Galen's TK.
Originally posted by Faunus
Or Galen using his TK to throw something really, really heavy? Or they just coordinate themselves and fight?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
But, honestly I'd put Galen at slightly above ROTJ Luke. Actually that would make a descent thread. 💃
Ugh. You would. Only fanboys believe the hype. If Luke were in TFU, he'd drop a freakin' moon on the Emperor's head, without using his hands to gesture towards it.
That's how much the feats are exaggerated in this game.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Ugh. You would. Only fanboys believe the hype. If Luke were in TFU, he'd drop a freakin' moon on the Emperor's head, without using his hands to gesture towards it.That's how much the feats are exaggerated in this game.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Ugh. You would. Only fanboys believe the hype. If Luke were in TFU, he'd drop a freakin' moon on the Emperor's head, without using his hands to gesture towards it.That's how much the feats are exaggerated in this game.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Would you mind elaborating on why Luke would pwn Galen
Luke is a much better saber combatant. And he has more power in the Force (son of the Chosen One with the same potential, afterall). He was lifting multiple medium sized objects while standing on his hands, while Yoda is sitting on his feet in ESB, and was vastly stronger - as Darth Vader noted - by ROTJ.
That's why.
@ EH: The novel and comic show the same feats as the game. Starkiller throwing TIE fighters, stopping Star Destroyers, crushing Vader with two pillars, etc. Complete idiocy. It's like making the CWC feats into canon.
Before Gideon says anything, I know that they are canon - but not necessarily the same way they are achieved in the cartoons.
Originally posted by Enyalus
@ EH: The novel and comic show the same feats as the game. Starkiller throwing TIE fighters, stopping Star Destroyers, crushing Vader with two pillars, etc. Complete idiocy. It's like making the CWC feats into canon.Before Gideon says anything, I know that they are canon - but not necessarily the same way they are achieved in the cartoons.
I really can't wait to read the book. But if it is in all 3 sources I don't know how exaggerated the feats really could be especially coming from the Novel which imo should be the true canon source for TFU and overwrite any contradictions from the game or comic.
Originally posted by Enyalus
[B]Luke is a much better saber combatant. And he has more power in the Force (son of the Chosen One with the same potential, afterall). He was lifting multiple medium sized objects while standing on his hands, while Yoda is sitting on his feet in ESB, and was vastly stronger - as Darth Vader noted - by ROTJ.That's why.
galen not only defeated Shaak Ti, who is noted for being an above average Jedi and fended off hordes of magna gaurds, but he also not only defeated Vader but left him gasping for breath with half his helmet ripped off. Vader didn't get defeated, he got raped. Even if we count his abilities shown as compeltely non-canon, his feats allow him to destroy Luke with ease.
@ EH: The novel and comic show the same feats as the game. Starkiller throwing TIE fighters, stopping Star Destroyers, crushing Vader with two pillars, etc. Complete idiocy. It's like making the CWC feats into canon.
Prove what he did in the novels was exxaggerated. What people do in the novels are often much more accurate.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
galen not only defeated Shaak Ti, who is noted for being an above average Jedi and fended off hordes of magna gaurds, but he also not only defeated Vader but left him gasping for breath with half his helmet ripped off. Vader didn't get defeated, he got raped. Even if we count his abilities shown as compeltely non-canon, his feats allow him to destroy Luke with ease.
You mean him stabbing her through the chest while her saber wasn't ignited because she already thought he was dead? Yeah. Big feat. And the Vader/Galen saber fight was close. He screwed him by dropping pillars on him. Yay for him. Need I remind you that Luke beat Vader pretty badly as well, in a pure duel.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Prove what he did in the novels was exxaggerated.
**** you.
Originally posted by EnyalusYou mean him stabbing her through the chest while her saber wasn't ignited because she already thought he was dead?
And you mean after she summoned a big ass monster to devour him, and he was going toe-to-toe with her up till that point?
Yeah, I do. Raping the monster, then raping her shortly afterwards, is pretty much > Anything RotJ Luke has done.
And the Vader/Galen saber fight was close.
Galen sliced his respirator in half, then got pissed and dropped pillars on him leaving him in a agrbled ****ed up mess of his own defeated juices. Hardly "close", imo. Vader never had the strict upperhand.
He screwed him by dropping pillars on him. Yay for him. Need I remind you that Luke beat Vader pretty badly as well, in a pure duel.
And Luke managed to cut one hand off of a man who already was immersed in inner-conflict. Hooray for him.
Galen crushes Luke with force lightning. QED.
**** you. [/B]
I accept your concession. 313
Originally posted by EnyalusWtf? 5%? Thats a little toooo small. I thought galen "pwned" the emperor by ragdolling him in the comic? Nothing suggested palpatine let him do that(this once again proves your point, great enyalus that palpatine is not infallible).
Marek and Vader have, perhaps, a 5% chance at taking this - I'm being generous. And it's purely thanks to Vader's mastery of telekinesis.I watched the non-canon DS ending. The Emperor is much more powerful than Galen, and in saber combat he's faster than either one. The only small hope they have is Vader using his TK to throw something really, really heavy and crush the Emperor.
Originally posted by NonSensi-KlownDid you actually read the novel or paid any attention? Vader kicked the shit out of galen MANY times throughout their duel and nearly killed galen until galen started throwing pillars at an unsuspecting vader?
galen not only defeated Shaak Ti, who is noted for being an above average Jedi and fended off hordes of magna gaurds, but he also not only defeated Vader but left him gasping for breath with half his helmet ripped off. Vader didn't get defeated, he got raped. Even if we count his abilities shown as compeltely non-canon, his feats allow him to destroy Luke with ease.
Hell read the comic or even watch the cutscenes, vader still had the strength to STAND up and PREPARE for another fight despite getting "raped".
Originally posted by NonSensi-KlownRead the novel, it made it clear that galen was nearly smashed to pieces several times during their duel on the death star or even ask gideon for clarification.Galen sliced his respirator in half, then got pissed and dropped pillars on him leaving him in a agrbled ****ed up mess of his own defeated juices. Hardly "close", imo. Vader never had the strict upperhand.
Got ready to kill him? The ****? He talked some shit to galen, then Galen sliced his respirator in half, and collapsed pillars on him. If Vader was unsuspecting at that point, it's because he's a dumbass. They were in the middle of a fight, that's his own fault. It's not like galen was even being sneaky about it. he (Up until now) undisputed master of using your surroundings to beat your opponent should have better combat awareness.
Yeah, and Galen let him stand up after he raped him, to focus on Sideous.
Originally posted by NonSensi-KlownOnce again you idiot, READ the damn novel and STOP referring to the comic that isn't as detailed like the game or novel, gideon made it CLEAR that vader himself nearly KILLED galen and that they were TIED EVENLY before galen went ape shit and collapsed a pillar onto vader.
Got ready to kill him? The ****? He talked some shit to galen, then Galen sliced his respirator in half, and collapsed pillars on him. If Vader was unsuspecting at that point, it's because he's a dumbass. They were in the middle of a fight, that's his own fault. It's not like galen was even being sneaky about it. he (Up until now) undisputed master of using your surroundings to beat your opponent should have better combat awareness.
Your inability to actually read just shows how stupid you can get sometimes.
EDIT, heres the damn quote
He thought he was ready -- and so the sheer severity of the opening blow took him by surprise. A simple double stroke, up and then down, it contained enough power to jar his wrists and shoulders and very nearly disarm him completely. The collision of their lightsabers was blinding. He staggered backward and found himself at the center of a telekinetic storm. His Master seized on his momentary weakness and hurled missiles at him from all sides, hoping to keep him off guard. For a moment, it worked
"Don't read"?
I'm sitting in a class room with a computer that barely works. Did the thought ever pass through that shit-filled sponge you call a brain that perhaps I don't have the novel?
Telling me to read the novel before discussing the fight, is one thing. Insulting my reading ability because I can't read something I don't have, is simply assinine.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
"Don't read"?I'm sitting in a class room with a computer that barely works. Did the thought ever pass through that shit-filled sponge you call a brain that perhaps I don't have the novel?
Telling me to read the novel before discussing the fight, is one thing. Insulting my reading ability because I can't read something I don't have, is simply assinine.
He thought he was ready -- and so the sheer severity of the opening blow took him by surprise. A simple double stroke, up and then down, it contained enough power to jar his wrists and shoulders and very nearly disarm him completely. The collision of their lightsabers was blinding. He staggered backward and found himself at the center of a telekinetic storm. His Master seized on his momentary weakness and hurled missiles at him from all sides, hoping to keep him off guard. For a moment, it worked
the apprentice fell back under the rain of blows. The sizzling of fabric and faint stink of burning skin told him that at least two of Vader's misses had been horribly near."
Darth Vader fought brilliantly, never employing anything less than a single stroke. All he needed was one slip, one tiny gap in his opponent's defenses
Did the thought of reading what gideon has posted ever cross your head? Thats why i insulted you.
The thing is you DO have the ability to read what you don't have, its just that the relevant information is in the EU section of KMC, i TOLD you many times to actually READ what sir GIDEON has written, yet you choose to argue and STILL refer to the comic.
Now, i'll quit with the insults, provided you do the same.
So... what you're saying is that Galen underestimated Vader, then was surprised by his true power, and Vader capatilized on his momentary surprise and pelted him with objects using the force. Great. Summary.
Galen is surprised. Galen stops underestimating Vader. Vader ends up nearly getting his chest sliced in half and ends up laying on the floor with his lite-brite asthma helmet in shambles around him. The end.
So then I guess Dooku didn't really pwn AotC Kenobi because the AotC novel states that when the fight first started Dooku was surprised by the ferociety of Obi-Wan's attacks and was driven back, before regaining his momentum and raping the shit out of him. Maul and TPM Kenobi are also very close in lightsaber skills, because Obi-Wan not only surprised Maul with the ferociety of his attacks, but put him on his ass.
No. Surprising an opponent who is underestimating you, in the beggining of the fight, does not mean much. What usually happens in the beggining of a fight is that the fighters test each other and then when they're confident in knowing the other's ability they attack accordingly. The things that go on in the beggining of a fight don't matter nearly as much as the middle, and most importantly, the end.
Once Galen realized what he was up against he fought harder, and shortly thereafter Vader lost.
If theres more text afterwards that points to Vader gaining the upperhand when it matters, post it.
This is all irrelevent, though. Fact of the matter is that evenn if Galen didn't rape him, he beat him legitemately, and straight up, no holds barred. Luke managed to defeat a Vader who was immersed in inner-conflict. Galen's feats > RotJ Luke's feats. Anyone who says otherwise is hating Galen just for the sake of hating.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
]The thing is you DO have the ability to read what you don't have, its just that the relevant information is in the EU section of KMC, i TOLD you many times to actually READ what sir GIDEON has written, yet you choose to argue and STILL refer to the comic.
The ****? You didn't mention Gideon or the EU section even [i]once until just this post.. You've only mentioned the novel.
Now, i'll quit with the insults, provided you do the same. [/B]
I insult in retaliation. You've gotten in trouble many times for your temper, man, You should know better by now.