I have no idea haven't given it a awefull lot of thought actually.
In theory there should be no limit to his ability to copy and reduplicate his victims full power, however we saw Scathan as a Special case. but I don't think he can neither in theory nore reality, From what I saw Protege was unable to copy the powerlevels of objects and artifacts so if you for instance throw Protege against the Infinity Gauntlet wielder the gauntlet wouldn't be copied ore something like that.
Furthermore Thanos was only capable of binding with the Heart of the Universe because (that's the way I understand it anyway) he previously had been in control of other powerful artifacts, Beyonders power for instance Doom was capable of containing (yes he holded the power of Galactus but still the power that Thanos has holded by far surpasses Galactus)
Hope that doesn't became to blurry 🙂
Originally posted by UtrigitaI have no idea haven't given it a awefull lot of thought actually.
In theory there should be no limit to his ability to copy and reduplicate his victims full power, however we saw Scathan as a Special case. but I don't think he can neither in theory nore reality
This is why LT was able to finish pwning him with just the Amulet.
Originally posted by UtrigitaFrom what I saw Protege was unable to copy the powerlevels of objects and artifacts so if you for instance throw Protege against the Infinity Gauntlet wielder the gauntlet wouldn't be copied ore something like that.
Originally posted by UtrigitaFurthermore Thanos was only capable of binding with the Heart of the Universe because (that's the way I understand it anyway) he previously had been in control of other powerful artifacts, Beyonders power for instance Doom was capable of containing (yes he holded the power of Galactus but still the power that Thanos has holded by far surpasses Galactus)
Thanos never lost control.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxI feel lonely and left out because my post was ignored.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxProtege has to see Beyonder's power to copy it. If B wants it to be so,
he won't see shit, he will only be destroyed.
Game over.
Beyonder could do anything, he was a supreme being on a ridiculous level,
he was exaggerated, hence the de-powering retcon.
Originally posted by Mr Master
According to arc, Protege would've never reached the level of a supreme being.This is why LT was able to finish pwning him with just the Amulet.
No comic being can reach the level of the true supreme being imho.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't recall that limitation.
I just doesn't recall Protege copying the Energy Muzzle ore the Amulet that LT used.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, at that time, Galactus' ship was perhaps the gretaest energy source in reality,
and still,
that futuristic non-existent Doom didn't have all of Beyonder's power anyway,
besides that, that Doom was losing control shortly after acquiring the power,
and ultimately lost all control and got pwnd.Thanos never lost control.
Yep just like Protege never lost control after taking quiet a bit of power too, I however doesn't see Protege (mostly because it's a artifact) copying the heart in any sharp ore form Beyonder isn't a artifact Beyonder is a being just like LT and co, LT and co that Protege copied.
Furthermore I personally see quiet a gap in power between having the heart of the Universe and being Pre Retcon Beyonder but that is a personal observation.
Originally posted by UtrigitaNo comic being can reach the level of the true supreme being imho.
Infinity Being ... Sise-Neg ... THOTI ...
There's 3 right there.
One could argue that the Alien Entity is the supreme being,
since he literally merged with the engines of creation, which is what creates everything.
Originally posted by UtrigitaI just doesn't recall Protege copying the Energy Muzzle ore the Amulet that LT used.
The Amulet was used after he got pwnd by Scathan.
Again, LT only needed to boost his power slightly to stomp Protege.
Originally posted by UtrigitaYep just like Protege never lost control after taking quiet a bit of power too
Please, let's not compare these good friend.
What Thanos contained was more than Protege could ever dream of.
Originally posted by UtrigitaI however doesn't see Protege (mostly because it's a artifact) copying the heart in any sharp ore form Beyonder isn't a artifact Beyonder is a being just like LT and co, LT and co that Protege copied.
Beyonder takes away Protege's ability to copy powers.
Or, Beyonder implodes the omniverse on top of Protege,
he'll have to copy himself getting imploded, he'll end up defeating himself eternally.
Over.
Originally posted by Mr Master
There have been several supreme beings in Marvel: (TOAA is inconsequential)Infinity Being ... Sise-Neg ... THOTI ...
There's 3 right there.
One could argue that the Alien Entity is the supreme being,
since he literally merged with the engines of creation, which is what creates everything.
Yes all of them is near supreme but none of them becomes Toaa in any sharp ore form from my point of view, to do that they would have to step out into this world and began drawing the comics lets not forget that it was Toaa that draw/decided that the Alien Entity should engineer the omniverse.
Originally posted by Mr Master
He didn't see the muzzle coming,
and apparently wasn't able to sense Scathan about to use it.The Amulet was used after he got pwnd by Scathan.
Again, LT only needed to boost his power slightly to stomp Protege.
I realise that and at the same time finds it strange that a omniscient being doesn't know what is going to happen, but I repeat he couldn't copy either items. And LT amped his power with the power of the amulet which source did he draw from?
Originally posted by Mr Master
The LT/Eternity/Hawkgod/Mephisto/GOTG combined are literally nothing to THOTI.Please, let's not compare these good friend.
What Thanos contained was more than Protege could ever dream of.
I realise that, but fact remains line them up then Doom a regular man was capable of handling (to some degree) Beyonders powers, Protege is far from a ordinary man, he is a being that in the comic showed absoluty no upper limit to what level of power he was capable of copying.
Originally posted by Mr Master
THOTI is not an artifact, it's a formless source of energy that was contained in a chamber.
Then he cannot.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder takes away Protege's ability to copy powers.
Thus demonstrating his powers...
Originally posted by Mr Master
Or, Beyonder implodes the omniverse on top of Protege,
he'll have to copy himself getting imploded, he'll end up defeating himself eternally.
A being with Omnipresent is hard to kill, and again Protege copies his powers, unless I see something that direct shows that Beyonder possesses the ability to directly counter Proteges abilities to copy then this debate is rather pointless.
Originally posted by UtrigitaYes all of them is near supreme but none of them becomes Toaa in any sharp ore form from my point of view, to do that they would have to step out into this world and began drawing the comics lets not forget that it was Toaa that draw/decided that the Alien Entity should engineer the omniverse.
I was only referring to TOAA's drawings.
Originally posted by UtrigitaI realise that and at the same time finds
it strange that a omniscient being doesn't know what is going to happen,but I repeat he couldn't copy either items.
And LT amped his power with the power of the amulet which source did he draw from?
There's no concrete proof he can't copy items/weapons/artifacts.
The Amulet's source of power is Eternity's infinity.
Originally posted by UtrigitaI realise that, but fact remains line them up then Doom a regular man was capable of handling (to some degree) Beyonders powers, Protege is far from a ordinary man, he is a being that in the comic showed absoluty no upper limit to what level of power he was capable of copying.
Even normal 616 Doom isn't really normal,
the dude has stolen practically all the cosmic powers.
Originally posted by UtrigitaThen he cannot.
I'm only entertaining this thought that Protege is in these leagues,
the league of supreme beings, which he's not imo, but let's continue,
so, if THOTI is wielded by Thanos, and he uses it,
under your theory, he can copy it's power.
Imo, any supreme being crushes Protege with a thought.
Infinity Being, Sise-Neg, THOTI, classic Beyonder all stomp Protege effortlessly imo.
Originally posted by UtrigitaThus demonstrating his powers...
Originally posted by UtrigitaA being with Omnipresent is hard to kill, and again Protege copies his powers, unless I see something that direct shows that Beyonder possesses the ability to directly counter Proteges abilities to copy then this debate is rather pointless.
The fact that LT pwnd Protege with just the Amulet.
The Amulet at best, gives LT access to Eternity's power.
Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than LT and Eternity combined.
I mean, come on.
Originally posted by Lord SWhat issues does Scathan appear in?
I keep hearing about him, but have never seen him.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=492799&pagenumber=4
It's from that page forward, (about 3-4 pages in all) I was debating certain details,
all scans to back the on panel interpretations and issue #s are there.
Originally posted by Mr MasterMany thanks my good man.
I broke Scathan and Protege down lovely imo in this thread:http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=492799&pagenumber=4
It's from that page forward, (about 3-4 pages in all) I was debating certain details,
all scans to back the on panel interpretations and issue #s are there.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder = the Marvel prime Multiverse (including LT) millions of times over.Beyonder was also a supreme being according to Shooter.
Do you think Protege can take on THOTI?
Not imo.
THOTI is the only thing I don't see Protege having any chance copying it (even after Thanos absorbed it and used it as it's own power). And he wouldn't be able to copy it, because of being TOAA power within MU. Protege doesn't stand a chance.
And if there wasn't for Scathan who contained him, Protege would easily deal with LT with Amulet.
Still, I favor PreR Beyonder in any case.