The only way Beyonder wins is if it's done via thought, or rendering Protege's sight ineffective then executing the necessary power like Scathan and LT did.
Protege's powers stack and compound. MM can attack (having his powers copied in the process) which will force Beyonder to respond and therefore have his powers copied as well. Protege was able to challenge Post Ret Beyonder after observing only one attack and actually made him retreat.
Beyonder wins, all day, every day.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Beyonder wins.Be real. Protege never copied anyone even a thousandth as powerful as PR Beyonder.
Remember, Beyonder was MillionS of times more powerful than the LT, plus all of the infinite Multiverse combined. 😎
Originally posted by NemeBro
Beyonder thinks that Protege can't copy him, and thus he can't.
Beyonder = Supreme being
Don't get me wrong though, Protege is one of the most powerful cats ever,
but not in the league of the HOTI or classic Beyonder.
Here's my question(which is why I bumped the thread)...
In SW II #9 Owen was able to contend quite well with the Beyonder(relative to anyone else), and cancel out some of his energies. This enabled the cumulative attacks from the conglomeration of earth-heroes to have an albeit minimal effect on Beyonder(second scan, bottom left-hand panel), before Owen collapsed in exhaustion:
Beyonder even says: "You had a chance! And it's unbelievable that you did!"
So even IF Protege couldn't dupe Owen or Beyonder's power, would it not be possible for he and Scathan's cumulative attacks to have a much greater effect on Beyonder if he were actively fighting Owen(given that their powers are infinitely superior to the earthlings'😉..? I'm assuming Protege starts out at his highest levels, of course.
To be fair for Owen, he said that he wasn't exerting himself in that fight. Although he did say that the Beyonder transacts on levels unimaginable to him, not to mention that Beyonder casually broke Owen's shield which he put around his house....(basically, Beyonder is well above Owen).
Still, i believe that the LT back in SW 2 was weaker than he was in '94 (When the Protege/Scathan instance happened). 1990, was the year in which LT was established to be omniversal. Curious, am i the only one here with this opinion?
That's why i believe that saying Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than LT (and directly comparing that to Protege's case), isn't accurate.
But regardless, i think Beyonder would win this battle.
Originally posted by operator616
Still, i believe that the LT back in SW 2 was weaker than he was in '94 (When the Protege/Scathan instance happened). 1990, was the year in which LT was established to be omniversal. Curious, am i the only one here with this opinion?
Remember when Mephisto was building his little coalition to take out the Beyonder? It SEEMED like Eternity was the big gun in that little line up.
^ I don't think Eternity was > LT if that's what you're trying to suggest.
Because remember that, Secret Wars 2 #6, heavily implies that LT was the most powerful among the abstracts:
http://i.imgur.com/7cAabPR.jpg
Or previous stories such as that What If (LT was an established multiversal power back then, for sure).
So yeah, while i think LT was the most powerful of the abstracts, there's no doubt in my mind that he was weaker back then.
I have no doubt that LT was still intended to be the most powerful cosmic as of SW II, given this page:
http://imgur.com/NxHRpGl
However, I do not believe he was intended to operate anywhere the scope/scale in which he operates in more current continuity. I mean, up to that point LT's best feat was, what? The stunt he pulled on Korvac during What If v1 #32?:
http://imgur.com/onb7zYS
http://imgur.com/PkDmquQ
Disregarding LT referring to a supernova as his "ultimate punishment"(lulz), I suppose sealing off a universe from the rest of the multiverse is somewhat impressive--however, it is still a far cry from the type of power we'd see from him years later when he was a confirmed omniversal power... Adventures of the X-Men #12 is one example, of many:
http://imgur.com/WWdYqT4
Originally posted by operator616
^ I don't think Eternity was > LT if that's what you're trying to suggest.Because remember that, Secret Wars 2 #6, heavily implies that LT was the most powerful among the abstracts:
http://i.imgur.com/7cAabPR.jpg
Or previous stories such as that What If (LT was an established multiversal power back then, for sure).
So yeah, while i think LT was the most powerful of the abstracts, there's no doubt in my mind that he was weaker back then.
^ I know what you were referring to. And by referencing that example i thought you were suggesting that Eternity > LT.....no? (because i don't know how else to interpret your post, so clarify what you said).
Originally posted by Galan007
However, I do not believe he was intended to operate anywhere the scope/scale in which he operates in more current continuity. I mean, up to that point LT's best feat was, what? The stunt he pulled on Korvac during What If v1 #32?:
http://imgur.com/onb7zYS
http://imgur.com/PkDmquQ
Meh, that What If was still quite good when compared to LT's appearances in Strange Tales v1, where he struggled against Nebulos.
Originally posted by Galan007
however, it is still a far cry from the type of power we'd see from him years later when he was a confirmed omniversal power... Adventures of the X-Men #12 is one example, of many:
http://imgur.com/WWdYqT4
Yeah, Adventures of X-Men is a great feat for LT. Especially if we take into consideration the handbooks; LT's bio says that it's 2 megaverses, and the MC's says that the whole multiverse was destroyed in that issue, Marvunapp even says that it's possible that it was the omniverse.
But that aside....that's not applicable to the Protege affair (since it's after it). But in FF annual #23 (1990, before the Protege affair), was confirmed to exist in all multiverses simultaneously:
http://i.imgur.com/OxAO39B.jpg
So we know that in the Protege instance, he was omniversal.
@zop, yeah I'm not sure what to make of the BeyondersBane thing. According to this page, the multiversal powers(LT included) came to a consensus that Eternity(who encompassed the multiverse) was the best source of power for the machine:
http://imgur.com/8ZdOx2D
...But LT was still above him from an authority standpoint at the very least, if that makes sense.
Originally posted by operator616Nebulos. ElOhEl. 👆
^ I know what you were referring to. And by referencing that example i thought you were suggesting that Eternity > LT.....no? (because i don't know how else to interpret your post, so clarify what you said).Meh, that What If was still quite good when compared to LT's appearances in Strange Tales v1, where he struggled against Nebulos.
Yeah, Adventures of X-Men is a great feat for LT. Especially if we take into consideration the handbooks; LT's bio says that it's 2 megaverses, and the MC's says that it destroyed the whole multiverse in that issue, Marvunapp even says that it's possible that it was the omniverse.
But that aside....that's not applicable to the Protege affair (since it's after it). But in FF annual #23 (1990, before the Protege affair), was confirmed to exist in all multiverses simultaneously:
http://i.imgur.com/OxAO39B.jpg
So we know that in the Protege instance, he was omniversal.
True, it's not applicable. However, I do believe the LT we saw during GotG=the LT we saw during Adventures of the X-Men... Which is why I brought up that showing.
There are other showings that are applicable to the Protege affair, however. Warlock & the IW #1, for example, makes it abundantly clear that LT is the most powerful cosmic by a large margin... As does Infinity War.
