ROTS Pre-Suit Vader vs. Galen Marek

Started by Null ARC Avis26 pages

i believe Ahmadinejad is an idiot. yes. and a terrible leader. he is placing a really big X on Iran if they ever get nuclear power.

Ahmadinejad strikes me as a tool and mouthpiece of the Mullahs, actually. And being a creationist says a bit about your ability to accept and rationalize available information, bias and quite a few other things.

Ahmadinejad plays to his power base. It's a smart move.

Ahmadinejad, like Hitler, is a sick, demented genius. He's a very smart guy, but his beliefs are far too extremists for an actual leader.

Hitler, and genius, do not believe in the same sentence unless a 'not' is included between them.

Hitler was both a genius and a fool, but Ahmadinejad is only the latter. And i again agree with LS 100%.

*shakes his head* You poor young people nowadays, blindly taking what your 10th grade level history books say about anyone as fact.

Hitler was nothing resembling a genius. In any way.

Yeah, he just used magic to make all of Germany follow him. Please explain how he manipulated so many people if he had the IQ of a dead squirrel

Hitler was a political genius, undeniably. He was a manipulator and an evil man, one of the most evil men ever, but his rise to power was undeniably intelligent.

Militarily he was a fool. He tried many things that other generals outright called ridiculous, expended troops on useless endeavors and the like and totally ignored advice

As much as I'm forced to begrudgingly admit it, I think Hitler WAS a genius; I've heard a load of stuff about how he planned his rise to power, engineered the holocaust; his charisma was superb. He hit the nerves of the German people in ways few can.

You see, after WWI ended, the Germans were nailed with the blame for the war and were forced to pay hefty compensations; inflation followed (a load of bread could cost more than a billion of whatever the currency was), and Germany sunk into poverty. Hitler channeled and manipulated all that in a truly brilliant way.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
Yeah, he just used magic to make all of Germany follow him. Please explain how he manipulated so many people if he had the IQ of a dead squirrel

When a country is desperate, they'll do anything to change the status quo. Plus, it's called a propaganda team - which wasn't run by him, but his cronies. He published exactly what he had in store for Germany in the form of the NSDAP's Party Platform as early as 1920 - which included starting a war over the "unfair" Treaty of Versailles and his treatment of Jews.

Hardly a 'genius,' wouldn't you say?

mhm. then the war started and he screwed that up. If he didn't split his forces and attack russia, he might have won. sucks for him. Good for us.

Originally posted by Enyalus
When a country is desperate, they'll do anything to change the status quo. Plus, it's called a propaganda team - which wasn't run by him, but his cronies. He published exactly what he had in store for Germany in the form of the NSDAP's Party Platform as early as 1920 - which included starting a war over the "unfair" Treaty of Versailles and his treatment of Jews.

Hardly a 'genius,' wouldn't you say?

Hitler had quite the work ahead of him at the time and nobody really believed Mein Kampf. When it was translated initially, people thought it was too 'out there' to be believable.

And nobody knew how far he'd take it.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Hitler had quite the work ahead of him at the time and nobody really believed Mein Kampf. When it was translated initially, people thought it was too 'out there' to be believable.

And nobody knew how far he'd take it.

Mien Kampf is totally different from the NSDAP's Party Platform published in 1920. MK was published in...1925. Two entirely separate things.

Furthermore, "master manipulator?" Ever heard of the Beer Hall Putsch? For real, if Hitler was a genius, I'm Darth Sidious.

Indeed. To credit Hitler's success on the desperation of Germany's people is ridiculous. Because if he was actually as retarded as you suggest, they wouldn't have comported themselves with his ideals. Fact of the matter is, he hoodwinked them into giving him whatever he wanted.

As far as his propoganda team is concerned, why would intelligent people fanatically worship a moron?

Beer Hall Putsch? Indeed. Heard of the Night of the Long Knives?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Beer Hall Putsch? Indeed. Heard of the Night of the Long Knives?

Yeah. It was almost assuredly the basis for Palpatine's assassination of the Confederacy's leadership council.

Gotta run.

Originally posted by Gideon
Indeed. To credit Hitler's success on the desperation of Germany's people is ridiculous. Because if he was actually as retarded as you suggest, they wouldn't have comported themselves with his ideals. Fact of the matter is, he hoodwinked them into giving him whatever he wanted.

As far as his propoganda team is concerned, why would intelligent people fanatically worship a moron?

My dear Gideon, I never claimed that Hitler was retarded or a moron. Merely that he was certainly not a genius.

Just covering my ass.

Yeah, he was not a genius. Intelligent, charismatic, manipulative, sure. But people need to stop tossing around the term "genius" so casually. It's actually lost all meaning these days.

EDIT -- I meant he seized the initiative; don't really know how I put down intuitive.

Meh. Charismatic and manipulative, yes. Intuitive? No way.

*sips more Haterade*