MJJ & Jamie Braddock VS Omega Mutants

Originally posted by LordKaos

It's not false Betsy was in the white room thought of Brian a window opened showing Brian and then Jamie appeared in the window, he then pulled strings and a teleportation happened.

Youu quietly state, "he pulled strings" ..
while simultaneously ignoring that's how Jamie controls Reality.

Nice.

Originally posted by LordKaos

Since we are talking about warping the white hot room, betsy was able to conjure an infinite amount of her other selves throughout creation, while Rachel's energy signature flared up and the whole white hot room reflected it, both more impressive than a teleportation affect.

You think those were real beings? 😆

You think Betsy yanked all those other counter-parts out of their Universe,
so she can enjoy an infinite fashion show? LOL!

Tell me you're joking.

Rachel "flared up the whole WHR?" ... And? ...
she flares up whenever she uses Phoenix power,
and never affects reality, what does this say? Nothing imo.

meh ... In one panel, and the next panel the WHR is clearly the same:

Rachel didn't affect the WHR in anyway here,
let's not compare this silliness to what Jamie did.

Originally posted by LordKaos

His part in saving the omniverse as you call it was no more than anybody else who didn't get directly involved he sent warnings through Meggan, so did Roma and Saturnyne (and she has no powers at all, so it must not have been that hard).

Originally posted by LordKaos

you keep saying he created a universe from scratch, yet he still had problems warping a phased being, which has been affected by both Jean and Rachel telekinetically.

Hmm ...

And the embodiment of the Phoenix Force has been blown into BillionS by Xorn.

Feakin Xorn, lol!

srugyellowshoes

You wanna bring out low showings, I can do that too.

Originally posted by LordKaos

you can continue to exaggerate feats all you want

Originally posted by LordKaos

it is clearly shown that he pulls strings and they are teleported, i remember a while back you tried to use the fact that the strings are going towards the crystal around Rachel's neck that he warped the entire white hot room into the crystal, when in actuality Rachel was holding on to the crystal once they arrived in the WHR imprinted with Jeans essence giving them a direct link to the WHR as their jaunt there was accompanied by a Phoenix raptor covering the both of them.

If Jamie pulled strings withIN the WHR,
then Jamie warped the WHR,
cause that's how Jamie manipulates the building blocks of all things,
by pulling on strings:

Originally posted by LordKaos

he creates universes and the other "becomes" them

Originally posted by LordKaos

but we know that White Phoenix can manipulate the entirety of a universe
and according to you psilord can create big bangs,
sounds like two universes going down to me team FTW

Jaspers and Jamie control not only the atoms, but Time/Space and all the other Concepts too.

Jamie had died and come back, homeboy's seems immune to death,
and Jaspers can stop reality implosions with his power,
this is a direct part of his character history, it's a fact,
this is why the Celestial Nullifier was not used on 616 Jaspers like on 238 Jaspers.

whatever he pulls strings to warp reality which he used to teleport not warp the white hot room, so i guess when franklin teleported Joseph to him when he thought magneto was responsible for what happened to his family he warped the entire earth dimension to do so, the rest of that crap I won't bother to read as it is crap.

Originally posted by LordKaos

whatever he pulls strings to warp reality which he used to teleport not warp the white hot room, so i guess when franklin teleported Joseph to him when he thought magneto was responsible for what happened to his family he warped the entire earth dimension to do so

I can show you Jamie warping the WHR's reality. 🙂

Originally posted by LordKaos

the rest of that crap I won't bother to read as it is crap.

lies would mean I am intentionally making up things with no factual base, I have done nothing of the sort, I see those pictures for what they really are, just as i see your post for what they are, an attempt to make one character seem greater than they are due to a misinterpreted action.

Why would you challenge me to show Franklin warping the universe, it was you who said since Jamie warps reality then he must of warped an entire realm to accomplish a simple teleportation, if that is the case then that must have been what Franklin did since is power is to warp reality and not teleport. More circular talk, scans and icons, you have all the makings of a religious fanatic more so than a debater, with that my god is better than your god mentality truely hilarious. you're actaully more like on of those teachers who still thinks egypt is not a part of africa even though it's right there part of africa.

Now to the topic at hand TEAM FTW. anybody with fresh ideas feel free to refute, or we'll just be looking at page upon page of crap filled crap, dipped in a light crap sauce served on a bed of lettuce grown in crap

Originally posted by Galan007

if this was stated, it wasn't in issue #125.

Merlin and Roma agree that the only event they did not manipulate,
was the break up of Excalibur:

Merlin states that this time, Excalibur chose their own destiny.

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This is concerning the Necrom event,
Merlin also manipulated that:

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This is a cool statement by Merlin:

Merlin: "I missed something, I of all people"

Roma: "You're not infallible father, sometimes I think that a strong wind will blow you over"

Merlin: (with a smirk on his face) ... "Ah yes, but I make the winds

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Imo, that means, no matter the threat, I'm in control.

props mr.master.when he destroys someones credibility he really destroys their credibility lol

Originally posted by LordKaos

lies would mean I am intentionally making up things with no factual base,
I have done nothing of the sort

What's funny is you got the nerve to insult my posts, while you're lying. 😂

Originally posted by LordKaos

I see those pictures for what they really are, just as i see your post for what they are,
an attempt to make one character seem greater than they are due to a misinterpreted action.

Originally posted by LordKaos

Why would you challenge me to show Franklin warping the universe, it was you who said since Jamie warps reality then he must of warped an entire realm to accomplish a simple teleportation, if that is the case then that must have been what Franklin did since is power is to warp reality and not teleport.

Now, you're backing off cause you know that was some silliness to claim.

Originally posted by LordKaos

More circular talk, scans and icons,
you have all the makings of a religious fanatic more so than a debater,
with that my god is better than your god mentality truely hilarious.
you're actaully more like on of those teachers
who still thinks egypt is not a part of africa even though it's right there part of africa

Go away, you went from being corrected in the debate, to lying,
to now driveling nothing but shit onto this thread.

Which translates to trolling.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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This is concerning the Necrom event,
[b]Merlin also manipulated that:

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This is a cool statement by Merlin:

Merlin: "I missed something, I of all people"

Roma: "You're not infallible father, sometimes I think that a strong wind will blow you over"

Merlin: (with a smirk on his face) ... "Ah yes, but I make the winds

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Imo, that means, no matter the threat, I'm in control. [/B]

in control so much you missed something, things like that are what the arrogant say when they are wrong. Storm and Thor make the winds too, they win 😱

Originally posted by Mr Master
You've lied several times in this thread.

What's funny is you got the nerve to insult my posts, while you're lying. 😂

Gibberish.

You compared Franklin's teleportation feat to Jamie's raping of the WHR.

Now, you're backing off cause you know that was some silliness to claim.

Inconsequential off-topic vain attempt at attacking the power gobbledygook.

Go away, you went from being corrected in the debate, to lying,
to now driveling nothing but shit onto this thread.

Which translates to trolling.

What did you correct? you said something I said something back you said I was wrong I said no I'm not. Correction would mean there was validity in what you posted not a bunch of conjecture based on what you think will happen.

Fact: Phoenix power instrumental in the creation of Merlins omniversal status
Fact: Necrom wanted the Phoenix after witnessing it's power in lieu of the alignment
Fact: Jamie can't warp Shadowcat and to his credit never has, but the two beings who have held the power of the Phoenix have used tk on her.
Fact: Besty who was protected by Jamie still fail victim to a reality warp.
Fact: The daughter of the phoenix was able to see through the false reality and show it to Betsy
Fact: Nightcrawler (who was around during this so called universal creation of Jamies) and Betsy say that Jamie could only warp reality locally until the first fall arc and he still did nothing impressive.
Fact: even though he has the power to warp reality, all he did with it was teleport two people from the white hot room
Fact: Phoenix of the white crown can manipulate a universe in it's entirety
Fact: you believe psilord can create big bangs, which would destroy a universe.

Originally posted by LordKaos

in control so much you missed something,
things like that are what the arrogant say when they are wrong.
Storm and Thor make the winds too, they win

Let me know when Storm or Thor create something like the Starlight Citedel,
which can obliterate entire UniverseS, which is connected to every Universe in the Omniverse.

Let me know when Storm or Thor create from scratch a Reality like Otherworld,
which is a pan-dimensional Actuality.

Dude, you're killing yourself with these absurd posts. doh

Originally posted by LordKaos

What did you correct? you said something I said something back you said I was wrong I said no I'm not. Correction would mean there was validity in what you posted not a bunch of conjecture based on what you think will happen.

😮‍💨

Originally posted by Mr Master
Let me know when Storm or Thor have power over the life-Force of the Omniverse.

Let me know when Storm or Thor create something like the Starlight Citedel,
which can obliterate entire UniverseS, which is connected to every Universe in the Omniverse.

Let me know when Storm or Thor create from scratch a Reality like Otherworld,
which is a pan-dimensional Actuality.

Dude, you're killing yourself with these absurd posts. doh

I don't expect you to realize you're wrong,
you're a Phoenix fanboy, I've dealt with you before, this is a Phoenix involved thread,
this forces intransigence upon you, which is why I'm being patient with you,
which is why I'm entertaining myself.

😮‍💨

There you go using intransigence again, this is a debate forum, the purpose of debates are to invoke intransigence, or they would become lectures as you like to believe you are giving. you're being patient with me 😆 😆 oh well I better quit if I know whats good for me. again 😆 😆

oh yeah and please show me the lies I told, since I'm so intransigent, I for the life of me can't find any and if all you got is my interpretation of how jamie came to know that his sister was in the WHR, that's called an interpretation, the lie would be saying that jamie knew she was there without any evidence stating that he did.

Originally posted by Nestical
props mr.master.when he destroys someones credibility he really destroys their credibility lol

destroy my credibility, by not addressing the fact that without the Phoenix Merlin would not rate nearly has high as he places him?
or that reality warpers don't warp an entire reality to teleport?
or maybe the part when a feat he as used many times to prove that psilord is so superior is now meaningless when his favorite people are involved? yeah he really got me

Originally posted by LordKaos

Fact: Phoenix power instrumental in the creation of Merlins omniversal status

Originally posted by LordKaos

Fact: Necrom wanted the Phoenix after witnessing it's power in lieu of the alignment

Originally posted by LordKaos

Fact: Jamie can't warp Shadowcat and to his credit never has, but the two beings who have held the power of the Phoenix have used tk on her.

Jamie wasn't able to easily warp Kitty while his power was developing,
later on, Jamie increased in power, confirmed in his bio,
and confirmed by his greater displays of power on panel.

Including playing around with entire UniverseS. 🙂

Kitty. 😆

Originally posted by LordKaos

Fact: Besty who was protected by Jamie still fail victim to a reality warp.

Originally posted by LordKaos

Fact: The daughter of the phoenix was able to see through the false reality and show it to Betsy

Originally posted by LordKaos

Fact: Nightcrawler (who was around during this so called universal creation of Jamies) and Betsy say that Jamie could only warp reality locally until the first fall arc and he still did nothing impressive.

What do I canre what Nightcrawler said,
when I've seen Jamie control entire UniverseS.

Meh, here' Jamie turing all the Stars in this entire Universe into snowflakes:

yawn ... Next ...

Originally posted by LordKaos

Fact: even though he has the power to warp reality,
all he did with it was teleport two people from the white hot room

Originally posted by LordKaos

Fact: Phoenix of the white crown can manipulate a universe in it's entirety

Phoenix can manipulate the atoms of a Universe and ONLY withIN the WHR.

And for a limited time.

A Universe is made up of more than atoms homie.

Time and Space are the fundamentals of reality, Oblivion and Death complete the 4 conerstones.

Phoenix has no power over any of these concepts.

Originally posted by LordKaos

Fact: you believe psilord can create big bangs, which would destroy a universe.

Fact: It wouldn't help him one iota vs Jaspers or Jamie.

Originally posted by LordKaos

There you go using intransigence again, this is a debate forum,
the purpose of debates are to invoke intransigence,
or they would become lectures as you like to believe you are giving.
you're being patient with me oh well I better quit if I know whats good for me. again

Originally posted by LordKaos

oh yeah and please show me the lies I told, since I'm so intransigent,
I for the life of me can't find any and if all you got is my interpretation of how jamie came to know that his sister was in the WHR, that's called an interpretation, the lie would be saying that jamie knew she was there without any evidence stating that he did.

Besides the two other lies.

You're lying cause what else can you do?

You can't present anything that makes Phoenix consequential here vs these two.

You know Phoenix hasn't done shit that compares,
so you demean the feats of the Phoenix's opponents,
it's an old ploy that's been resinating since 2005,
you learned well from the king but you ain't near as good at it yet.

Originally posted by LordKaos

destroy my credibility,
by not addressing the fact
that without the Phoenix Merlin would not rate nearly has high as he places him?

I already addressed that, I even posted the scans of the feat.

Stop lying dude, you're making an ass of yourself.

Originally posted by LordKaos

or that reality warpers don't warp an entire reality to teleport?

I clearly conveyed what took place on panel,
Jamie warped the WHR.

stoned

Originally posted by LordKaos

or maybe the part when a feat he as used many times to prove that psilord is so superior is now meaningless when his favorite people are involved?

I never said what Psi-Lord did was meaningless,
I said it wouldn't help him one bit against these two (Jaspers and Jamie)

Nice try.

I guess I don't have to point out when you lied,
cause you're lying as we go long.

Pretty soon you'll warp into ... liar

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ok, it was #125 actually.

Merlin and Roma agree that the only event they did not manipulate,
was the break up of Excalibur:

Merlin states that this time, Excalibur chose their own destiny.

imo, this isn't outright stated:

Originally posted by Mr Master
Merlin at the end of Excalibur,
issue 125 I believe states,
that everything that took place in the Excalibur team saga, was manipulated by him.

in all fairness, you did say "i believe" [implying that it may not be 100% verbatim]. 😛

A universal power performing an omniversal feat 😕
The only thing that increased about Jamies power was the range, show me where it says now he can manipulate intangible reality due to this power increase, it was a weakness of his so it should be note worthy if he overcame it.
You have nothing but a laugh for the betsy being manipulated issue (not a surprised)
Rachel seeing through the false reality is relevant simply because it was apparently beyond Jamies power to keep Betsy just as perceptive, if he had truly been so powerful as to make her immune to such tampering then she would have not needed Rachel to show her.
That's you using hyperbole to make a single warp in some undisclosed location look like it's an entire universe, when it was a city as shown when it vanished. when he created this universe, where did he put it. All space in the omiverse has something in it already, so he must have gone outside the omniverse to do that, since that's the only way to create a universe where there is already a universe without overwriting or destroying the previous one, sounds more like a pocket of reality to me.
no i did not see jamie warping the white hot room and not in context that you are claiming he did, i saw him use his power to warp reality to perform a teleportation, you have once again exaggerated a scan to make your man look bigger than ever, but if the Phoenix ain't
that big to begin with why go through all the trouble to prove it, shouldn't it be obvious? 🙄
For a limited time? and what time limit is that? the time limit was placed on the life span of the universe not the power of the Phoenix, it would have died if she did nothing. The universe is made up of atoms and such therefore your splitting hairs time space, death and all the others are like you said concepts and the white phoenix is beyond them, she cannot be claimed by death or oblivion as her role is to always be reborn after incubating in her own afterlife, she can reach back in time as she pleases, and exist outside of space your point being what exactly. And when mention of the other two and their universal creating powers have occurred there has been no mention of them having control over any of these concepts either only physical occurrences. you keep saying she has to be in the white room, but I'll say again you cannot amputate something without taking it away from the whole of what it is, more failed attempts by you to downplay an irrefutable feat.

Originally posted by Galan007

the scan basically tells us that roma/merlin can take the heroes to the "fork in the road." however, it's the heroes themselves whom have to chose whether they go left, or right.

imo, this isn't outright stated:

I mean, Merlin and Roma literally put everything in place,
then they allow it to play out:

Imo, this is definitely manipulation.

Originally posted by Galan007

in all fairness, you did say "i believe"
[implying that it's may not be 100% verbatim]. 😛