Originally posted by DarkSerpent
No. I've already made it clear that was neither my intention, nor my words.
Really? The following are statements taken from you, verbatim:
I agree that they're both beast but neither one of them is good at smart.
Vader was outwitted by the same guy who said "It's a trap!!"
Compared to Palpatine, they are idiots.
First, let us all take a moment and LOL wildly at the nonsensical statement that "neither one of them is good at smart."
Second, you can claim that it wasn't your intention, but rather than rationally explain yourself, you continued the argument -- and those most certainly were your words.
Endor was the Emperor's loss, not Ackbar's victory.
Concession numero uno, thank you. That nullifies your retarded idea that "LOLZ ACKBAR OUTWITTED VADER!!1!" and that somehow it's an indication that Vader was a 'moron' or that he 'wasn't good at smart.'
In a battle, Vader would be more useful, but for a war, I would trust the fishy.
Concession numero dos, thank you. No one denied that Admiral Ackbar was the superior military tactition and possibly the greater strategist. What I did contest was the idea that Vader was somehow a 'moron' or not 'good at smart' because Ackbar, a true great among military genii, is the greater commander.
Not going any further as you seem to only use parts and segments of arguements to further your own self-inflated agenda.
Concession numero tres, thank you. This, here, is why no one takes your obsessive diatribe about my supposed inferiority seriously. And while there are certainly those out there who are my equal or better, you're definitely not one of them, much as you'd like to imply it. Welcome to the ignore, and unlike Enyalus, you don't have the saving grace of an actual functioning intellect to warrant my attention. But I appreciate the chuckles and joy you spread as a representation of how low mankind can go.
Originally posted by Faunus
I didn't care for it that much. His best scene is probably the opera, but I think my favorite scene in the entire movie is when Anakin is trying to figure out what to do in the Council room. Everything about it was excellent - the acting (for once), the cuts between Anakin and Padme, the "voice" of Palpatine cutting in. It was probably the most well-done drama sequence in the movie.
Yeah, that scene is awesome. Slightly LotR-ish, honestly... but the music was brilliant, in any case.
My favorite scene in the whole movie is contested between that part, the Galactic Empire speech/Vader massacring people, perhaps because I love how brilliantly this depicts how the Empire will be- Palpatine is seducing the Senators with words, while his enforcer slaughters his enemies. And the 'You were the Chosen One!' speech. Saddest moment was there for me. Probably the most powerful sequence in the entire saga.
Regarding Palpatine and his portrayal, Star Wars is a tale of archetypes, and on such an epic scale (I mean, come on, this is supposed to take place across an entire galaxy), how could the primary villain be anything less than pure evil? Hence why I disagree with Enyalus's notions that would seemingly remake Palpatine into a pansy-villain, whom after every murder sheds a tear and adopts kittens. That's not the case. Palpatine is to represent how far one can go down the dark path, beyond redemption, beyond salvation. He is the ultimate narcissist and exists only to dominate everything. That is what makes him an interesting character; to see the changes between Senator/Chancellor Palpatine, Darth Sidious, and then the Emperor. While all three are mere alter egos of the same man, they are each portrayed rather differently. As Senator/Chancellor, Palpatine exudes intense charisma. His arguments against the Jedi Order and how good is a point of view were remarkably well structured and prudent. Palpatine won the day in Revenge of the Sith due to sheer charisma; he didn't conquer the galaxy like your typical science fiction warlord/invader -- he made the galaxy willingly hand him its leadership. That is unique. As Darth Sidious, he embodies the ultimate puppet master, manipulating events through a vast intellect and orchestrating the rise of two galactic-spanning regimes in a tragicomedy of a war. Lastly, as Emperor, he transcends intellect and strives for total omniscience, where he plans to one day consume the entire galaxy into his own consciousness and rule eternally as a true god.
But it is his weaknesses and fallibilities that also make him interesting. His obsession with the Skywalker line is profound; as the malignant narcissist, he places himself above all others, yet here he is confronted with a family whose members have the potential to not only equal him but surpass him. It's not enough to just kill them; he has to control them, to break them, and to remake them in his own image. That is why he is constantly looking for a "stronger apprentice." Because he wants power over those who may eventually be stronger than him. And it is where his vision begins to be clouded and more obsessed with the Skywalkers that he loses.
TFU's realization that he fabricated the very rebellion that would eventually destroy him is a superb plot idea, in my opinion. He paid the price for his lack of vision.
So how you don't find that interesting, I'll never know.
Senator/Supreme Chancellor Palpatine was a great villian. He was charming yet clearly....dark. Still a manipulator, still using his keen intelligence. If they had left the character like that, and portrayed him in the same fashion as Darth Sidious and the Emperor (except in ROTJ and TFU, the way he acts there is somewhat necessary to the storyline), I'd have found that much more riveting.
Originally posted by Gideon
TFU's realization that he fabricated the very rebellion that would eventually destroy him is a superb plot idea, in my opinion. He paid the price for his lack of vision.
I like that fact about TFU. And it meshes very well with his strategy to lure the entire Rebel Alliance together and crush them at once, in ROTJ.
Originally posted by truejedi
He didn't shoot Yoda's saber out of his hand. Yoda dropped it to catch the force lightning.
Why would he do that, when he could have caught the lightning with his saber, but kept his weapon that way. He cleearly just shot Yodas weapon out of his hand.
Originally posted by truejedi
Regardless, Sidious didn't seem to have a huge advantage when it was hand-to-hand lightning handling between Yoda and himself. So all Yoda does is hold off the lightning, or cause another explosion, where they both fly apart (nothing to fall off of i assume) and then Yoda picks up his saber again, and then what?
If he can find his lightsaber.. and assuming Sidious didnt short circuit the handle. and who says Yoda will pick up his weapon again before Sidious does??
Originally posted by truejedi
Who cares about the force mastery of these two. Mace isn't going to be doing anything except charging Anakin with a saber.
My point exactly. Well thats 1 thing we agree on.
Originally posted by truejedi
Either way, Anakin dies to mace. (and quickly)
Really? Argualbly the Most powerful jedi alive in Mace's own opinion, and a level 9 Saber duelist in Nick Gillards opinion, and he dies "quickly". yeah I really see that.
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