Pyron and Nosgoth vs Dark Titan and Jedah

Originally posted by Burning thought
So we just assume he has the same powers they have? thats a very bad assumption, you cant just assume and guess hes got exactley the same powers they have, his power being above them is not important especially when Pyron in this battle as well as Kain could single handadly defeat the beings he is above.

Shes not powerful when fighting, thats what i meant, overall Id put her slightly above Titans in power.

Not really off teh charts because I dont feel the titans are even that powerful when their put side by side with beings like Pyron, also your looking at it at very basic terms, Elune enchanting it doesnt mean its power is based around damage from her, if it says she enchanted it then that doesnt mean shes enchanted it with destructive power, especially since shes not a desctructive goddess.

Be that as it may Cowgirl she has no destruction feats afaik, care to show me some if she has?

Ehh yes because the guy basically invented Fel Magic as it's used today, a fraction of his power amped Kil'Jaeden and Archimonde to what they is etc, so yes we can when a Army that is countless is stated to be nothing against it's master then nothing in that army can hurt of defeat Sargeras. So Kain could easily defeat Kil'Jaeden and Archimonde and the entire Burning Legion?

And that is never what I meant.

The Axe was created by Cenarius (strong Nature magic) Later Malorne granted it his blessing (infusing his even Stronger Natur Magic) then before Brox entered the Twisted Nether Elune gave her blessing (even stronger Natur Magic then Cenarius and Malorne combined) it put a scrath on Sargeras that was all. Again it toke the Destruction of the World Tree, the Night elves sacrifise of their immortality and the destruction of the Second well of eternity to destroy Archimonde, the same Well that would have maked Archimonde Supreme had be tapped into it, that is the level of Natur power that is going to be brought to Archimonde which Again is a flea to Sargeras, yet again what does the other team (Pyron and Nosgoth) have that rivals the nature magical outburst that the Well of Eternity produced? Nothing which means that even against Archimonde they would be hard pressed to put him down for good, it takes a force that rocks the earth and wields strong nature magic just to pierce his skin (Malorne incident), what the hell is their chances against Sargeras?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Ehh yes because the guy basically invented Fel Magic as it's used today, a fraction of his power amped Kil'Jaeden and Archimonde to what they is etc, so yes we can when a Army that is countless is stated to be nothing against it's master then nothing in that army can hurt of defeat Sargeras. So Kain could easily defeat Kil'Jaeden and Archimonde and the entire Burning Legion?

And that is never what I meant.

The Axe was created by Cenarius (strong Nature magic) Later Malorne granted it his blessing (infusing his even Stronger Natur Magic) then before Brox entered the Twisted Nether Elune gave her blessing (even stronger Natur Magic then Cenarius and Malorne combined) it put a scrath on Sargeras that was all. Again it toke the Destruction of the World Tree, the Night elves sacrifise of their immortality and the destruction of the Second well of eternity to destroy Archimonde, the same Well that would have maked Archimonde Supreme had be tapped into it, that is the level of Natur power that is going to be brought to Archimonde which Again is a flea to Sargeras, yet again what does the other team (Pyron and Nosgoth) have that rivals the nature magical outburst that the Well of Eternity produced? Nothing which means that even against Archimonde they would be hard pressed to put him down for good, it takes a force that rocks the earth and wields strong nature magic just to pierce his skin (Malorne incident), what the hell is their chances against Sargeras?

Inventing fel magics? i thot he simply invented turning beings fel, that doesnt mean he gains all the powers of his army.

Archi and Killy? not easily, the legion? certainly, their nothing, infact most of them in their numbers would be helping kain.

woah woah woah, all this is assumption, the well of eternity outright smashed Arcihmonde, that doesnt mean Archimondes limit the Well of eternity, hell Pyron would just punch through Archimonde like a wet paper bag, probably the same with Sargerus, nothing states that only nature magic can harm them, simply that its the most effective, the forces Kain and Pyron have together, and Jedah is more than enough to annhilate Sarg....if he can be scratched by a tiny sword, no matter its enchantment, its obvious he can be damaged by something so small, now imagine a fist many times the size of Azeroth punching into his body and he will be left in shatters.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Inventing fel magics? i thot he simply invented turning beings fel, that doesnt mean he gains all the powers of his army.

Archi and Killy? not easily, the legion? certainly, their nothing, infact most of them in their numbers would be helping kain.

woah woah woah, all this is assumption, the well of eternity outright smashed Arcihmonde, that doesnt mean Archimondes limit the Well of eternity, hell Pyron would just punch through Archimonde like a wet paper bag, probably the same with Sargerus, nothing states that [b]only nature magic can harm them, simply that its the most effective, the forces Kain and Pyron have together, and Jedah is more than enough to annhilate Sarg....if he can be scratched by a tiny sword, no matter its enchantment, its obvious he can be damaged by something so small, now imagine a fist many times the size of Azeroth punching into his body and he will be left in shatters. [/B]

Originally (at least as I see it) it was the eredar that invented the Fel Magic but with the change of it being Sargeras corrupting them and not the other way around, it turned into Sargeras becomming the "founder" of the demonic magic in other words the fel Magic.

Not easily? So you think he can take them?

So you think the Night Elves deliberately choosed to use the World Tree because they wanted to lose their immortality? Yeah that sounds likely... Really could he what supports that, when have he engaged a combattent where the impact rocked the earth? Only Nature Magic have shown capable of harming them, so to say that other things can hurt them is a assumption. Jedah is on his team? I don't think you quiet get what is so special about the Axe try to read the post again and try to understand that Malorne could only with a full attack make a pair of smalle holes in Archimonde so the assumption that Pyron with a fist can do more damage is speculation at best, do I have to mention what Archimonde is next to Sargeras?

does it actually say he created the fel magic and not just the fel energy? turning a being fel is basically turing them into a demon, thus it may not be a magic source he invented, simply an energy which warped magic already there.

sure. Especially the current Kain, Scion.

They chose it because THEY have no other power to defeat him with, their nothing on Pyron. What supports it, the fact that Archimonde has never survived anything of that caliber, rocked the Earth? pyron is the size of a gas giant, his impact would shatter Azeroth into fragments...

No, its a default likeliness, you would be making the no limits fallacy if you assume that only Nature magic can harm them, since there is no force on Azeroth or in warcraft as physically powerful as pyron.

Jedah may as well be on his team. So he actually broke into Archimonde? i didnt even know that happened, hell Pyron would definaltey blast all the way through, dont you realise the size and overall physical power of pyron? he is beyond anything Warcraft universe can bring to bare. its not speculation, the highest thing Archimonde has physically survived is Malornes hits? yet now you tell me they did some damage by making holes, so Pyron being far far beyond that a hundred times over would completly, as i said before, break through Archimonde like a wet paper bag with just a punch, now Pyron going at lightspeed and ramming Sargeras with an impact would shatter Sargeras, who still has not shown physical endurance beyond anything.

I dont need to re-read any post, your assuming every enchantment on the axe was made to destroy or do you have proof? either way, who the hell is the guy who hit Sargeras? ime pretty sure if it was a bigger weapon wielded by Pyron and he hit Sargerus with it, Sarg would become two pieces.

Originally posted by Burning thought
does it actually say he created the fel magic and not just the fel energy? turning a being fel is basically turing them into a demon, thus it may not be a magic source he invented, simply an energy which warped magic already there.

Fel Magic, since Fel energy was always present. Fel Energy was the reason Sargeras was appointed the Warrior of the Pantheon in the first place

Originally posted by Burning thought
sure. Especially the current Kain, Scion.

wait a second I thought you said earlier that

Originally posted by Burning thought
good, well you should know then how I always discount using characters we have very little clue off,

And we have very little, clue of what Scion Kain is capable of performing actually far less then what we have of Sargeras, known facts about Scion Kain is: Defeating the Elder God, teleporting, using 4 emblems and having telekinese that is lesser then what can be presented about Sargeras, so Sargeras is a better known factor then Kain.

Originally posted by Burning thought
They chose it because [b]THEY have no other power to defeat him with, their nothing on Pyron. What supports it, the fact that Archimonde has never survived anything of that caliber, rocked the Earth? pyron is the size of a gas giant, his impact would shatter Azeroth into fragments...[/B]

Thats correct no other power on Earth was great enough to defeat him besides that, not the Aspects not Lich King not Malfurion bound with the earth. Just The well of Eternity if that doesn't speak for his power well... Where was he ever shown to be a Gas Giant?

Originally posted by Burning thought
No, its a default likeliness, you would be making the no limits fallacy if you assume that only Nature magic can harm them, since there is no force on Azeroth or in warcraft as physically powerful as pyron.

Because only Nature Damage has shown capable of doing it I cannot say that you need Nature damage to hurt them? What kind of logic is that? Really what is Pyrons top strength feat again what impact damage has he made when colliding with a opponent? fairly easy question.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Jedah may as well be on his team. So he actually broke into Archimonde? i didnt even know that happened, hell Pyron would definaltey blast all the way through, dont you realise the size and overall physical power of pyron? he is beyond anything Warcraft universe can bring to bare. its not speculation, the highest thing Archimonde has physically survived is Malornes hits? yet now you tell me they did some damage by making holes, so Pyron being far far beyond that a hundred times over would completly, as i said before, break through Archimonde like a wet paper bag with just a punch, now Pyron going at lightspeed and ramming Sargeras with an impact would shatter Sargeras, who still has not shown physical endurance beyond anything.

What? No I don't but I'm sure you can provide scans videos statements etc that supports everything. You like to twist words I see, I said that Archimonde collided with Malorne and the only visible markings on Archimonde from the impact that shooked the earth etc was small holes and again Malorne is a extremely powerful wielder of nature magic.Now you just have to prove that Pyron has a strength factor above Malorne. Actually he has, when the portal collapsed (the portal that sunderet the warcraft world) Sargeras was in the middle of it holding it open with his strength and taking the impact without being damaged.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont need to re-read any post, your assuming every enchantment on the axe was made to destroy or do you have proof? either way, who the hell is the guy who hit Sargeras? ime pretty sure if it was a bigger weapon wielded by Pyron and he hit Sargerus with it, Sarg would become two pieces.

I assume that every enchanment on the Axe was made to make it stronger, which it was, it was enchancented to increase it's efficiant against Sargeras should Brox confront him. A Orc. If a bigger weapon hit Sargeras it would shatter not Sargeras, had it been infused with Nature Magic then yes it would slice him in two, unfortunely Pyron doesn't have that possibility

Originally posted by Utrigita
Fel Magic, since Fel energy was always present. Fel Energy was the reason Sargeras was appointed the Warrior of the Pantheon in the first place

wait a second I thought you said earlier that

And we have very little, clue of what Scion Kain is capable of performing actually far less then what we have of Sargeras, known facts about Scion Kain is: Defeating the Elder God, teleporting, using 4 emblems and having telekinese that is lesser then what can be presented about Sargeras, so Sargeras is a better known factor then Kain.

Thats correct no other power on Earth was great enough to defeat him besides that, not the Aspects not Lich King not Malfurion bound with the earth. Just The well of Eternity if that doesn't speak for his power well... Where was he ever shown to be a Gas Giant?

Because only Nature Damage has shown capable of doing it I cannot say that you need Nature damage to hurt them? What kind of logic is that? Really what is Pyrons top strength feat again what impact damage has he made when colliding with a opponent? fairly easy question.

What? No I don't but I'm sure you can provide scans videos statements etc that supports everything. You like to twist words I see, I said that Archimonde collided with Malorne and the only visible markings on Archimonde from the impact that shooked the earth etc was small holes and again Malorne is a extremely powerful wielder of nature magic.Now you just have to prove that Pyron has a strength factor above Malorne. Actually he has, when the portal collapsed (the portal that sunderet the warcraft world) Sargeras was in the middle of it holding it open with his strength and taking the impact without being damaged.

I assume that every enchanment on the Axe was made to make it stronger, which it was, it was enchancented to increase it's efficiant against Sargeras should Brox confront him. A Orc. If a bigger weapon hit Sargeras it would shatter not Sargeras, had it been infused with Nature Magic then yes it would slice him in two, unfortunely Pyron doesn't have that possibility

Can you show me please?

No thats not true at all, Scion kain is simply stated to gain powers that are already described, Scion of balance powers etc etc, diffrence being their all corrupted and could not use their full power wheras Raziel cured Kain with the purified reaver thus making him powerful. Scion Kain has more understanding of what he can do.

When he gets bigger than his home planet which Jaxx claims to be bigger than Jupter although personally ive not seen proof the planet was that size. No but Malorne as youe stated damaged Archimonde.

A guy bigger than a gas giant does not need or require a strength feat, what logic are you thining here? the guy is enormous, its obvious his stregnth would smash/shatter the world. I didnt twist any words, you just said it made dents in Archimonde, "smal lholes" thus Archimonde can be punctured.

Thats not the feat, Sargerus holding open the portal means nothing, the power that sundered the world happened when the portal collapsed which from what I thot destroyed Sargeras? or did he just flee?

No its not but dont you see what ime saying? the size matters and Pyron is enormous, he would punch a hole through Sargeras who has not shown a physical feat of endurance anything like that.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Can you show me please?

No thats not true at all, Scion kain is simply stated to gain powers that are already described, Scion of balance powers etc etc, diffrence being their all corrupted and could not use their full power wheras Raziel cured Kain with the purified reaver thus making him powerful. Scion Kain has more understanding of what he can do.

When he gets bigger than his home planet which Jaxx claims to be bigger than Jupter although personally ive not seen proof the planet was that size. No but Malorne as youe stated damaged Archimonde.

A guy bigger than a gas giant does not need or require a strength feat, what logic are you thining here? the guy is enormous, its obvious his stregnth would smash/shatter the world. I didnt twist any words, you just said it made dents in Archimonde, "smal lholes" thus Archimonde can be punctured.

Thats not the feat, Sargerus holding open the portal means nothing, the power that sundered the world happened when the portal collapsed which from what I thot destroyed Sargeras? or did he just flee?

No its not but dont you see what ime saying? the size matters and Pyron is enormous, he would punch a hole through Sargeras who has not shown a physical feat of endurance anything like that.

I know Becci and DarkC got the quote will ask them to get it.

Oh please show me some feats for him then, something that supports he can take out Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden that shouldn't be a problem consideret how known he appears to be.

And he can grow to that size at will? Because Malorne was wielding nature magic what is a mystery about that statement only based on that was he capable of hurting him, neither of the combatents he faces now wields natur magic.

Sorry bro, but in Marvel a Guy can be the size of a Ant and still have more strength then a 100 Ton like thor, Size doesn't always equal strength Galactus can grow to the size of a sun but that doesn't increase his strength, Because you increase you size it doesn't mean that you strength increase equally, maybe it does in Darkstalkers about that I have no idea. And again you are missing out the important information Malorne = powerful druid wielder natur = Very small damage to Archimonde = ONLY DAMAGE DONE TO ARCHIMONDE IN THE WAR OF THE ANCIENT

Eh holding a portal open with your hands alone using only you strength is a feat addressing strength, withstanding the explosion afterwards without being killed is a endurance feet, furthermore the Titans when ordering Azeroth moved Mountains imagine the weight of those and that was regular Titans...

I have already given a example of Sargeras withstanding a portal collapsing that is a physical force then he withstood the Blast which was magical (arcane, not nature) and he was fine those are feats.

I dont need to show feats, hes just known, hes not done anything yet as you well know but hes got a mix of previous beings powers that makes him incredible powerful.

He is always that size usually, its his normal size it seems, he can shrink though, but he has no reason in this battle.

Thats besides the point, Malorne is not galactus, as youve said the guy shakes the planet, well Pyron would shatter the planet because his mass would be enormous Gas giant sized, "bro".

Can you show me this info please? him withstanding the sundering explosion?

From all the Warcraft lore stories ive not heard of Sarg being hit by the blast of the sundering, thus please show me.

Pyron while mortal is physically stronger than Donavan, who has a class 100 strength feat with one arm while being stabbed twice in the heart by a blood and soul draining sword...

Pyron simply by landing in the Atlantic Ocean killed an entire race of B-B+ class Darkstalkers...

Originally posted by Burning thought
Can you show me this info please? him withstanding the sundering explosion?

Sargeras never had the chance to withstand the sundering. He was inside the portal when it imploded, while the sundering happened just after that. He did survive an imploding portal though, for all that it matters. It is tough to compare the power of an imploding portal to any type of punch, no matter who delivers it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
if he can be scratched by a tiny sword, no matter its enchantment, its obvious he can be damaged by something so small, now imagine a fist many times the size of Azeroth punching into his body and he will be left in shatters.

The sword was an Ax, and the Ax did not inflict any sort of injury on Sargeras. Only scratched his skin to a sufficient level where Sargeras was scraped. Then the combined force of Alexstrasza, Rhonin and Korialstrasz blasted to that very scratch with all their power in one attack, and for an instant succeeded at making Sargeras notice the scratch, giving Malfurion enough time to execute the final closing.

The little weapon you so ignorantly call a weak force is in fact the power of Kalimdor, brought by Elune, infused by the words of Cenarius trough the hands of Malfurion to the Ax of Brox. That little Ax contain the power of a PLANET, and you consider it nothing but a little insignificant weapon?

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont need to re-read any post, your assuming every enchantment on the axe was made to destroy or do you have proof? either way, who the hell is the guy who hit Sargeras? ime pretty sure if it was a bigger weapon wielded by Pyron and he hit Sargerus with it, Sarg would become two pieces.

Of course, but where would Pyron get a Pyron-sized nature weapon?

...Becci, you didn't answer my post. 🙁

I feel so unloved. cry

Which post are you talking about? The most previous? 🙂

No, the one I addressed to you on the 2nd or 3rd page. 🙁

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. That is the thing though, Pyron is not a being of pure raw power, he has telepathy, matter and energy manipulation, creationism, Cosmic Awareness on beyond a galactic level, the power to see in the future(may only be a product of Cosmic Awareness though), among other things. Pyron can, without really doing anything from the look of it, convert Earth into a ring, he didn't grow and have the Earth orbit his finger like I originally thought, he literally remade Earth, without harming its life forms and all, as a ring.

2. But Sargeras cannot run forever, and in Nosgoth, there is only like three dimensions I think. Pyron is much faster than Sargeras however, can let most attacks phase right through him, and can destroy every world Sargeras flees to.

3. Has his TK affected someone of Pyron's vast size and strength? He has never absorbed as much energy as Pyron's body contains, or absorbed as much energy as Pyron has to my knowledge, and his control over flames IMO won't match Pyron's, a living Cosmic fire elemental. But Pyron's soul has shown resistance against a soul stealer. Thing is, many of Sargeras' powers are not useful against Pyron, and some of which Pyron has the same powers only to a higher level. 😛

And KOS-MOS is an overrated and overhyped piece of shit. 😠

4. Yeah...I admit I jumped the gun on that one.

.......Lol wut? Really? 😐

That's...Well it is kinda sad. 😐

5. If not stopped by Demitri, he WOULD have devoured Makai as well as Earth. He has shown resilience by not only beating Bishamon, doing it effortlessly. He did not even need to attack, he only needed to power up and his energies literally separated Bishamon from his armor, which is bound by body and even soul. So Pyron, in canon, has affected the soul of a fighter, and this was while mortal mind you, not full power. Yeah, I do not think said BFR would affect Pyron or most in LOK for that matter lol.

1. While I do not doubt your words, I would like to know or see where it is said that this is how it happened with Pyron and Earth. I have yes, realised, that there is more to Pyron than just brawns, but as much as there is to Pyron, if we exclude the physical attributes, there is more to Sargeras. Sargeras too has energy manipulation, he also has the ability to create life, objects and such (Assuming that is what you meant by creationism) and suppsively has a degree of cosmical awareness. While I am sure neither one of them are at the level of Pyron's, Sargeras has something Pyron does not. Magic.

Magic in Warcraft is used to a lot of things. The Titans imprisoned the Old Gods. Malygos erased existance. Weak mortals could absorb not only energy, but actual life. Minions far below Sargeras might can not only drain souls, but twist, fiddle and play with them as if they are solid objects. You may think that magic is not that much of a factor against one such as Pyron, but there is a lot that can be done with it. I strongly believe that if anything can bring Pyron down, it is Warcraft magic by a stronger entity such as Sargeras or others in the Pantheon.

2. In matter of fact, he probably can, but I do not imagine he would. Sargeras would never be good with living as second rate and he would settle the score with the one threatening factor in this fight: Pyron. I do not have my doubts that Sargeras would dominate Nosgoth had it not been for Pyron's interfearance. He would probably rule the reaches of Darkstalkers too if given time. Pyron is the factor, and despite all of his talents, this primarly due to his physical attributes: Size, Endurance, Strength, Speed.

3. Pyron may have shown resistance to a soul stealer before, but Sargeras would not only steal his soul. He would try steal the soul, his body, the mind and most likely even the free will. He could of course not do this with a snap of his finger, but it would be done over time. I can of course not assume this fight is on Warcraft terms, but in Warcraft, a soul and mind can be stolen over time. Bit by bit. Piece by piece. It is true that he has never dealt with something Pyron's size, but he has dealt with portions of Pyron's size, which is what he would do here.

4. It depends really. It is the only solid feat we can use and say "This is his durability". Sargeras did walk away from having suffered the portal imploding with him inside it and he has had several cloudy endurance feats, but the Ax swing by Brox is the only one really solid.

5. Not sure what to answer on that one, other than that Sargeras defeated an entire species that devoted all their lives and magic to stealing, manipulating, eating and playing with souls.

Originally posted by Becci
1. While I do not doubt your words, I would like to know or see where it is said that this is how it happened with Pyron and Earth. I have yes, realised, that there is more to Pyron than just brawns, but as much as there is to Pyron, if we exclude the physical attributes, there is more to Sargeras. Sargeras too has energy manipulation, he also has the ability to create life, objects and such (Assuming that is what you meant by creationism) and suppsively has a degree of cosmical awareness. While I am sure neither one of them are at the level of Pyron's, Sargeras has something Pyron does not. Magic.

Magic in Warcraft is used to a lot of things. The Titans imprisoned the Old Gods. Malygos erased existance. Weak mortals could absorb not only energy, but actual life. Minions far below Sargeras might can not only drain souls, but twist, fiddle and play with them as if they are solid objects. You may think that magic is not that much of a factor against one such as Pyron, but there is a lot that can be done with it. I strongly believe that if anything can bring Pyron down, it is Warcraft magic by a stronger entity such as Sargeras or others in the Pantheon.

2. In matter of fact, he probably can, but I do not imagine he would. Sargeras would never be good with living as second rate and he would settle the score with the one threatening factor in this fight: Pyron. I do not have my doubts that Sargeras would dominate Nosgoth had it not been for Pyron's interfearance. He would probably rule the reaches of Darkstalkers too if given time. Pyron is the factor, and despite all of his talents, this primarly due to his physical attributes: Size, Endurance, Strength, Speed.

3. Pyron may have shown resistance to a soul stealer before, but Sargeras would not only steal his soul. He would try steal the soul, his body, the mind and most likely even the free will. He could of course not do this with a snap of his finger, but it would be done over time. I can of course not assume this fight is on Warcraft terms, but in Warcraft, a soul and mind can be stolen over time. Bit by bit. Piece by piece. It is true that he has never dealt with something Pyron's size, but he has dealt with portions of Pyron's size, which is what he would do here.

4. It depends really. It is the only solid feat we can use and say "This is his durability". Sargeras did walk away from having suffered the portal imploding with him inside it and he has had several cloudy endurance feats, but the Ax swing by Brox is the only one really solid.

5. Not sure what to answer on that one, other than that Sargeras defeated an entire species that devoted all their lives and magic to stealing, manipulating, eating and playing with souls.

1. I actually cannot, there is no Youtube vid for it that I know of, you need to see the vid to actually get it, it shows Pyron above Earth, it shows people on Earth commenting gravitational/whatever changes, then it zooms out and Earth is now Pyron's ring. Pyron's energy manipulation is IMO greater, and Pyron can create matter as well. Pyron has Cosmical Awareness beyond a galactic level, hell, he saw through dimensions and into Makai, even used his telepathy to speak to all of Makai and implanted the desire to fight him, many Makai left it to answer his call.

While I believe that is all true, Pyron can and has done several of those, and some to greater extents(absorbing matter and life), and has done more.

2. IMO no, I believe Pyron's powers such as his matter manipulation would be an even greater threat, not just physical. He also has great versatility with his energy manipulation, a prime example would be his Cosmic Disruption, which causes several explosions to just kinda happen in the enemy's vicinity spontaneously, it is like several teleporting explosions.

3. To even live in Makai you need a strong soul, Pyron is capable of devouring Makai in its entirety. Pyron's mind powers, his telepathy, affected all the creatures of Makai(trillions), I think his mind at least is safe. Pyron is not simply larger than Sargeras, he is larger than anything in Warcraft multiplied by ten.

4. Meh...Pyron doesn't so much have durability feats, he is pure energy, he doesn't have a corporal form unless he wants one, and even as a mortal can let attacks pass through him.

5. Well I wasn't really arguing Pyron would attack Sargeras' soul lol. Only that he has shown some mild soul powers.

Originally posted by Becci
I do not have my doubts that Sargeras would dominate Nosgoth had it not been for Pyron's interfearance. He would probably rule the reaches of Darkstalkers too if given time.

There are many beings who could elminate Sargeras, Elder God alone is both far larger than him as well as untouchable multi reality being who would crush the Titan, hes like a super old God on steroids, but Azimoth and the dimentional beings could BFR sargeras into a random dimension he could not escape from to win the battle. Thats if Kain doesnt just elminate him with ease.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont need to show feats, hes just known, hes not done anything yet as you well know but hes got a mix of previous beings powers that makes him incredible powerful.

He is always that size usually, its his normal size it seems, he can shrink though, but he has no reason in this battle.

Thats besides the point, Malorne is not galactus, as youve said the guy shakes the planet, well Pyron would shatter the planet because his mass would be enormous Gas giant sized, "bro".

Can you show me this info please? him withstanding the sundering explosion?

From all the Warcraft lore stories ive not heard of Sarg being hit by the blast of the sundering, thus please show me.

Yes you do, I need to show you feats concerning Sargeras, then it works the other way around too, This isn't a one way track and saying "he is just known" about a Character that has made a single apperance and has done absolutely nothing in that single apperance that would justify your claim of him to take out Kil'Jaeden and Archimonde and much less Sargeras, then you need to bring more then that.

And?

No he isn't, but it holds a point none the less, size doesn't automaticly equal strength, Archimonde for instance grew in size but showed no increased physical attributes being increased.

Becci already has...

He was inside the Portal that collapsed bringing about the sundering of the world... thus he was hit by the power of the very portal that caused the Sundering and he was unharmed.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yes you do, I need to show you feats concerning Sargeras, then it works the other way around too, This isn't a one way track and saying "he is just known" about a Character that has made a single apperance and has done absolutely nothing in that single apperance that would justify your claim of him to take out Kil'Jaeden and Archimonde and much less Sargeras, then you need to bring more then that.

And?

No he isn't, but it holds a point none the less, size doesn't automaticly equal strength, Archimonde for instance grew in size but showed no increased physical attributes being increased.

Becci already has...

He was inside the Portal that collapsed bringing about the sundering of the world... thus he was hit by the power of the very portal that caused the Sundering and he was unharmed.

No you need to show me canon powers of Sarg, Feats are nice but not ncessry if you can actually show his canon pwoers. And there is more jusitifaction in his power, since as I said hes a combination of previous beings who together make him so powerful.

You asked if he can be gas giant sized on a whim...my answer is hes naturally that size and has shown to shapeshift, how long it takes him to become tiny i dont know

Size usually does, it means your a much higher mass....thus your blows will land heavier by normal means.

yes she did, and she said quite clearly he was not impacted by the sundering...just the portal closing.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No you need to show me canon powers of Sarg, Feats are nice but not ncessry if you can actually show his canon pwoers. And there is more jusitifaction in his power, since as I said hes a combination of previous beings who together make him so powerful.

You asked if he can be gas giant sized on a whim...my answer is hes naturally that size and has shown to shapeshift, how long it takes him to become tiny i dont know

Size usually does, it means your a much higher mass....thus your blows will land heavier by normal means.

yes she did, and she said quite clearly he was not impacted by the sundering...just the portal closing.

Eh I already have multiply as a matter of fact. There is more weight in a character with no feats then their is in a Character with feats? and how come we capable of using other characters feats and powerlevel to justifies Scion Kain when we cannot use it to justify Sargeras...

And does his strenght etc increase as he grows?

Not always a smaller person can hit harder then a heavier person provided that the smaller person uses his momentum to deliver the punch.

The Portal that closed caused the sundering 😬 and Sargeras was right in the middle of the Portal holding it open and taking the full effect of the implosion without damage when the Portal collapsed.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Eh I already have multiply as a matter of fact. There is more weight in a character with no feats then their is in a Character with feats? and how come we capable of using other characters feats and powerlevel to justifies Scion Kain when we cannot use it to justify Sargeras...

And does his strenght etc increase as he grows?

Not always a smaller person can hit harder then a heavier person provided that the smaller person uses his momentum to deliver the punch.

The Portal that closed caused the sundering 😬 and Sargeras was right in the middle of the Portal holding it open and taking the full effect of the implosion without damage when the Portal collapsed.

because when I use scion kain i used specific abilities, like an area of control such as energy, wheras calling Sarg powerful just becaue he is above his army doesnt help in a debate.

I dont know, I think it reduces as he shrinks however.

Well Pyron wins both, since his momentum can reach lightspeed anyway...

yes it caused it, but Sarg wasnt hit by the sundering still.