Originally posted by Becci
Oh please. Like you are in a position to say that. And for the record, you are both wrong.Utrigita: Sargeras was not in the Twisting Nether before. Only after. When Brox swung his Ax, he was not in the Nether, and neither was Sargeras.
Burning Thought: Everything implies that he was hit by the implosion.
Hmmm always thought that he was, it was the impression I gained... But accepted. 🙂
Originally posted by Burning thought
Him being above them does not mean magically, and nothing states every sorcery they use is from Sarg, where does it state all Eredar powers derived from sargeras, the Eredar were a race of surpeme sorcerors by themselves...it was part of their culture and everything to do with it.But nothing is officially stated [b]only
Nature magic can damage Sargeras, only that the Azeroth way of dealing with him best is nature powers, either way overall its far less power than Pyron and Sarg I KNOW[/]b has never been hit by the force Pyron could hit him with.No your using the "no limits" fallacy, you claim that because he has only been harmed by nature magic, nothing else should be able to damage him, would you equelly claim Galactus and Living tribunal wouldnt be able to harm Sargeras without using nature powers?......ridiculous notion, the main thing is, Sargeras has not been shown resistant to physical damage either.
Nothing so far implies he was hit by the implosion power, only that the implosion destroyed Azeroth, not that it actually hit Sargeras who was left in the Nether as you said.
Well then please explain to me what Fleas mean in the context? No but their most potent magical attacks is fel magic in nature and that fel magic is from Sargeras. And that Race was further amped by Sargeras.
And I know that no power beyond Natur has ever been shown capable of hurting Sargeras, that is the perimeter I work from, that no magical effect (except nature) ore Physical attack (powered in some way by a nature attack) is capable of harming Sargeras, If the Cosmic Fire ore whatever it is that Pyron is dancing around with is capable of doing it I have no idea, but I don't think so and it's correct that Sargeras has never been hit by a force of that magnitude... Wait the sundering that tore apart the world ore Malornes charge against Archimonde that rocked the earth... Again please show me the proof of Pyron in what ever size he is for this fight can with a physical punch shock the entire earth, then I will begin consider that Sargeras can be hurt by other then Natur magic, on a planetary scale.
There is some difference, The Living Tribunal is capable of harnessing magical powers far beyond any being on Azeroth, Galactus is capable of absorbing all kinds of energy and turns beings own power against them and can draw his energy from the Hyperspace the source all energy comes from including magic, and lastly Galactus heralds have shown that they can overwrite magical effect with their power cosmic, has Pyron ore Kain shown that they can overwrite the magical effect of a being with near infinite magical supplies that has it's own pocket universe? Bad Example. No but luckily we have Archimonde taking a powerful hit that blah blah you know the drill.
He was in the middle of the portal when he collapsed, I fail to see how he wasn't hit by the Implosion, that's like saying a guy that survived a ground zero nuclear bomb detonation, couldn't survive the effects following.
Originally posted by UtrigitaNothing but nature power has been shown to harm him. I guess that means nothing else can! dur
I have already mentioned and Becci further elaborated that Sargeras hasn't been hurted by anything besides nature magic, now it's up too you to provide proof to the contrary, I actually like the comparison A Axe infused with Natur Power can harm him but the implosion of a Portal that rips a world apart cannot.
No-Limits fallacy, Sargeras has never been hit with anyone near the sort of power that Pyron can dish out.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Nothing but nature power has been shown to harm him. I guess that means nothing else can! durNo-Limits fallacy, Sargeras has never been hit with anyone near the sort of power that Pyron can dish out.
And what level of power would that be Jaxx? I'm standing here in my corner looking at my champion the dark Titan, working with the fact that only so far the power of a planet was capable of giving him a scrath, what do you have in your corner with Your Champion Pyron?
Originally posted by UtrigitaNothing that has been used.
Of everything else that was shown in the Warcraft Universe, nothing could...And what level of power would that be Jaxx?
Countless galaxies according to a quote, enough power to absorb planets on a whim, and enough power to matter manipulate them into a ring.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Ime in a position to say what i like, since as i said, nothing so far implies means you dont have any proof or statements.Everything implies? can yuo show me please this proof, since nothing in this thread implies that, I know your a terrible Proof finder but why dont you at least quote the exact text where it implies he was hit by the full power that sundered the world?
Then specify that you are talking about the thread and not the story, because you have a tendency to assume things about the lore that you actually have no clue of. If you want proof of this, like you want with everything else, I can bring forth quotes by you assuming things about lore.
Terrible proof finder? I apologize for not considering you worth the trouble of reading trough 1000 pages just because you are not happy with what you get from us. I post this with the sole reason of me knowing roughly which page it was on.
"The mouth of the maelstrom quivered, then lost cohesion. An explosion of energy erupted from the depth of the whirlpool.
The portal started to collapse.
One side after another, the fiery border surrounding it fell in upon itself. Sargeras attempted to reconstruct it, but by then, it had moved beyond even his power to do so. One precious second had stolen the demon lord's victory.
And then a thing happened that Krasus could never have dreamed possible. Sargeras, refusing to believe his defeated, stepped within the crumbling portal itself, trying both to rebuild it and cross through. His desire to do so proved his undoing. As the portal imploded, the demon lord found himself trapped. He could not flee, could not pull back. Dropping his sword, the titan even battered against the gateway with his fists, but to no avail. The corridor between realms shrank rapidly, at last crushing in on him"
This quotation show not only that he was in it when the explosion took place, but also when it imploded.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Nothing but nature power has been shown to harm him. I guess that means nothing else can! durNo-Limits fallacy, Sargeras has never been hit with anyone near the sort of power that Pyron can dish out.
It is very reasonable thinking that when a weapon containing litteraly the power of a planet in the form of nature damage barely scratches him, that he could take the punch of something a mix between physical damage and fire (Which is Sargeras immunity). Nature damage is shown to be the only thing that has ever harmed Sargeras. Or Archimonde for that matter, which is a miniature Sargeras in every twistable aspect.
When Sargeras had gotten his scratch by Brox ax, Alexstrasza, Rhonin and Korialstrasz focused all their magic into one powerful blast upon the scratch which had opened a glitch in Sargeras elsewise indestructable body, Sargeras did not even feel it. Alexstrasza dwarfs Korialstrasz powers thousand fold (Official number), and Korialstrasz dwarves Rhonins powers, while Rhonin dwarfs Illidan's powers, and Illidan casted a spell that sundered the world.
I think you can, by that, imagine roughly how much power there is in an all-out blast by the red queen 😉
Originally posted by Burning thought
beings below Kain, like his sons dont all have the same powers as Kain and Kain doesnt have their powers either, simply saying "well Sarg created this one, so he created this and etc etc etc" doesnt mean much unless you can prove Sarg can actually manip souls, his magic from what Ive read has never been heralded.I compared Kains energy storage to the well,s which ofc is infnite.
The Twisting nether is a dimension? i realise the warlocks call beings from other realms but are they other dimensions or simply planes of reality? since not everything is a diffrent dimension.
Your Certain his soul will not be touched? how so? has he shown Soul invulerability?
Turning someone into atoms could be done using the concept of Energy, since beings bodies are functioned or made up of diffrent types of energy, a combinatio nof energy concept and states would do fine, althouh hes not done it, just like Sarg you assume he would have Fel powers since he invented it wouldnt you? so Kain has access to these powers infnitley due to his magical connection.
A timebolt that freezes beings yes.
Draining Sargeras Energy would be easy, Kain regulates magic, he would reduce Sarg to nothing.
Of course his sons does not have the same powers as Kain. Much like Sargeras creations doesnt have the same powers that Sargeras has. They have less, which they gained from a portion of his might. Well, Kil'Jaeden was blessed by Sargeras powers, just like how Lich King was blessed by the powers Kil'Jaeden got from Sargeras. Only one afraid of the truth would claim that Sargeras is not a more powerful version of said characters. We all know that Lich King's might is not absolute, since when Archimonde entered Azeroth he took control of the scourge.
If Sargeras entered Azeroth, heck, he would probably take control over Lich King. But if you want proof of Sargeras having soul capabilities, we can always bring up the example where Sargeras locked Medivh's soul away when he claimed his body. Or how he possessed Aegwynn. Or what he did to Xavius soul.
I do not see why I need to prove that Sargeras can manipulate souls anyway? It is not like you ever return a proof favor with any solid proof yourself to whatever you are put against the wall for.
It is true that, but infinite is not absolute when you are dealing with warcraft powers. Look at the Sunwell. Look at the Well of Eternity. Not even sources of infinite power is safe from a warcraft magician. Both infinite sources has been destroyed by mere mortals.
Not everything is different dimensions, but Twisting Nether is a seperate dimension to Azeroth, just like how Emerald Dream is one. Lich King sees two dimensions simultaneous, a spiritual and a material. Ragnaros and the other Elemental lords were banished into yet another dimension, called the Elemental Plane. The Great Dark is yet another. The Timestream is even that a seperate dimension, although co-existant with the material and spiritual planes of Azeroth. The great depth where the Old Gods were banished to is also another dimension. I have more, if you want 😉
He has shown soul resistance during his conquest of the forces that one day would become the burning legion. He has also shown the capability to exist as nothign but a soul, keeping the soul together when it is supposed to be torn into pieces. Since not the Nathrezim, nor the Twisting Nether, or the activity of being inside someone else could destroy or even damage his soul, I would say that he has sufficient soul resistance to yawn at Kain's attempts to steal it.
I assume you can prove this? Because I know Kain has never turned anyone into atoms or stolen someones powers just like that. Dissolving someone into atoms is a far more bold speculation than anything so far speculated about Sargeras. And if anyone could steal anyones powers, it would be Sargeras that steals from Kain. Archimonde was to steal the essence of the Well of Eternity (Infinite), which is more proof that warcraft characters can steal powers from others than Kain has ever shown. I am not saying Sargeras would steal Kain's powers, only that it is more likely to go that way than have Kain steal Sargeras.
And has Kain ever frozen something of Sargeras size? Ah exactly, did not think so. This is exactly what you are using to try bring down Sargeras arguments. I would like you to prove to me that Kain can timefreeze someone so large that Kain is nothing but a flea. Much like how we can not prove that Sargeras can take the beating of someone Pyron's size, you can not prove that Kain can freeze someone Sargeras size. In fact, you can not even prove that Kain has what it takes to penetrate Sargeras skin with anything. Pyron delivering a lightspeed punch I can accept and probably agree would inflict damage, but any attempt by Kain would more likely than not be futile.
And what would prevent Sargeras from draining Kain of energy? Not to mention that the drain might not even apply to Sargeras, given the fact that life and energy draining can be resisted by Warcraft characters (And this is not WoW talk). Sargeras has the ability to drain energy as well. Can you show me Kain being able to resist energy drain? Because I can show warcraft characters far weaker than Sargeras resist energy drain.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Well then please explain to me what Fleas mean in the context? No but their most potent magical attacks is fel magic in nature and that fel magic is from Sargeras. And that Race was further amped by Sargeras.And I know that no power beyond Natur has ever been shown capable of hurting Sargeras, that is the perimeter I work from, that no magical effect (except nature) ore Physical attack (powered in some way by a nature attack) is capable of harming Sargeras, If the Cosmic Fire ore whatever it is that Pyron is dancing around with is capable of doing it I have no idea, but I don't think so and it's correct that Sargeras has never been hit by a force of that magnitude... Wait the sundering that tore apart the world ore Malornes charge against Archimonde that rocked the earth... Again please show me the proof of Pyron in what ever size he is for this fight can with a physical punch shock the entire earth, then I will begin consider that Sargeras can be hurt by other then Natur magic, on a planetary scale.
There is some difference, The Living Tribunal is capable of harnessing magical powers far beyond any being on Azeroth, Galactus is capable of absorbing all kinds of energy and turns beings own power against them and can draw his energy from the Hyperspace the source all energy comes from including magic, and lastly Galactus heralds have shown that they can overwrite magical effect with their power cosmic, has Pyron ore Kain shown that they can overwrite the magical effect of a being with near infinite magical supplies that has it's own pocket universe? Bad Example. No but luckily we have Archimonde taking a powerful hit that blah blah you know the drill.
He was in the middle of the portal when he collapsed, I fail to see how he wasn't hit by the Implosion, that's like saying a guy that survived a ground zero nuclear bomb detonation, couldn't survive the effects following.
That they are far weaker than Sargeras. Just not ncesserily magically. Where does it say fel magic is their strongest power?
I dont have to show you anything Utrigos about a gas giant sized being that could put his hand through Azeroth like it was a wet paper bag, the very physical dimension of his size and volume would imediatley be logically higher than any power on Azeroth, he wouldnt "shake" the world, thats impossible when with a tap he would crumble it. What your asking would be like me asking if you can prove a 10,000 mile wide steel ball is heavier than a paper clip....
There is some diffrence, Pyron has more power and size within him than all of Azeroth or the Warcraft universe see what I did there? it was a fine example, an example of how beings far beyond Sargeras do not need to abide by your no limits fallacy of "he is not harmed by nature magikz so he is invulerables!".
sure if the proof is provided, it sounds like an overhype, I think the impoosion of the portal closing was simply what set the well of eternity off balance which caused the sundering or so ive read before now, not the portal itself ravaging the world.
Originally posted by Becci
1.It is very reasonable thinking that when a weapon containing litteraly the power of a planet in the form of nature damage barely scratches him, that he could take the punch of something a mix between physical damage and fire (Which is Sargeras immunity). Nature damage is shown to be the only thing that has ever harmed Sargeras. Or Archimonde for that matter, which is a miniature Sargeras in every twistable aspect.2. I think you can, by that, imagine roughly how much power there is in an all-out blast by the red queen 😉
1. no, not reasonable at all, one planet means nothing to the enormous gas giant Pyron is and moving at lightspeed into Sargeras too...i mean how is that even reasonable? dont you know the size of a Gas giant? perhaps this is where your loosing grips with this thing. Also you keep saying of a planet but only the nature aspect of it, its not the full power of the planets magic or anything of the sort.
2. A spell that took a fair cast time by illidan and required the eye of Sargeras? overall a worthless spell in any real combat.
Originally posted by Becci
Then specify that you are talking about the thread and not the story, because you have a tendency to assume things about the lore that you actually have no clue of. If you want proof of this, like you want with everything else, I can bring forth quotes by you assuming things about lore.Terrible proof finder? I apologize for not considering you worth the trouble of reading trough 1000 pages just because you are not happy with what you get from us. I post this with the sole reason of me knowing roughly which page it was on.
"The mouth of the maelstrom quivered, then lost cohesion. An explosion of energy erupted from the depth of the whirlpool.
The portal started to collapse.
One side after another, the fiery border surrounding it fell in upon itself. Sargeras attempted to reconstruct it, but by then, it had moved beyond even his power to do so. One precious second had stolen the demon lord's victory.
And then a thing happened that Krasus could never have dreamed possible. Sargeras, refusing to believe his defeated, stepped within the crumbling portal itself, trying both to rebuild it and cross through. His desire to do so proved his undoing. As the portal imploded, the demon lord found himself trapped. He could not flee, could not pull back. Dropping his sword, the titan even battered against the gateway with his fists, but to no avail. The corridor between realms shrank rapidly, at last crushing in on him"This quotation show not only that he was in it when the explosion took place, but also when it imploded.
You see this is why I need to ask for proof, as youve shown before your lack of understanding of things you read seem to blur with your overhyping, nowhere in that quote does it say Sargeras was hit by the power of the sundering or anything like it, the sundering happened when the WoE was knocked out by the portal when it closed completly, all that happens in that quote is Sargeras is locked and stuck for a while, showing his foolery and pathetic nature overall.
Originally posted by Becci
Of course his sons does not have the same powers as Kain. Much like Sargeras creations doesnt have the same powers that Sargeras has. They have less, which they gained from a portion of his might. Well, Kil'Jaeden was blessed by Sargeras powers, just like how Lich King was blessed by the powers Kil'Jaeden got from Sargeras. Only one afraid of the truth would claim that Sargeras is not a more powerful version of said characters. We all know that Lich King's might is not absolute, since when Archimonde entered Azeroth he took control of the scourge.
If Sargeras entered Azeroth, heck, he would probably take control over Lich King. But if you want proof of Sargeras having soul capabilities, we can always bring up the example where Sargeras locked Medivh's soul away when he claimed his body. Or how he possessed Aegwynn. Or what he did to Xavius soul.I do not see why I need to prove that Sargeras can manipulate souls anyway? It is not like you ever return a proof favor with any solid proof yourself to whatever you are put against the wall for.
It is true that, but infinite is not absolute when you are dealing with warcraft powers. Look at the Sunwell. Look at the Well of Eternity. Not even sources of infinite power is safe from a warcraft magician. Both infinite sources has been destroyed by mere mortals.
Not everything is different dimensions, but Twisting Nether is a seperate dimension to Azeroth, just like how Emerald Dream is one. Lich King sees two dimensions simultaneous, a spiritual and a material. Ragnaros and the other Elemental lords were banished into yet another dimension, called the Elemental Plane. The Great Dark is yet another. The Timestream is even that a seperate dimension, although co-existant with the material and spiritual planes of Azeroth. The great depth where the Old Gods were banished to is also another dimension. I have more, if you want 😉
He has shown soul resistance during his conquest of the forces that one day would become the burning legion. He has also shown the capability to exist as nothign but a soul, keeping the soul together when it is supposed to be torn into pieces. Since not the Nathrezim, nor the Twisting Nether, or the activity of being inside someone else could destroy or even damage his soul, I would say that he has sufficient soul resistance to yawn at Kain's attempts to steal it.
I assume you can prove this? Because I know Kain has never turned anyone into atoms or stolen someones powers just like that. Dissolving someone into atoms is a far more bold speculation than anything so far speculated about Sargeras. And if anyone could steal anyones powers, it would be Sargeras that steals from Kain. Archimonde was to steal the essence of the Well of Eternity (Infinite), which is more proof that warcraft characters can steal powers from others than Kain has ever shown. I am not saying Sargeras would steal Kain's powers, only that it is more likely to go that way than have Kain steal Sargeras.
And has Kain ever frozen something of Sargeras size? Ah exactly, did not think so. This is exactly what you are using to try bring down Sargeras arguments. I would like you to prove to me that Kain can timefreeze someone so large that Kain is nothing but a flea. Much like how we can not prove that Sargeras can take the beating of someone Pyron's size, you can not prove that Kain can freeze someone Sargeras size. In fact, you can not even prove that Kain has what it takes to penetrate Sargeras skin with anything. Pyron delivering a lightspeed punch I can accept and probably agree would inflict damage, but any attempt by Kain would more likely than not be futile.
And what would prevent Sargeras from draining Kain of energy? Not to mention that the drain might not even apply to Sargeras, given the fact that life and energy draining can be resisted by Warcraft characters (And this is not WoW talk). Sargeras has the ability to drain energy as well. Can you show me Kain being able to resist energy drain? Because I can show warcraft characters far weaker than Sargeras resist energy drain.
no you didnt read what I said, I said Kain doesnt have his sons powers either....thus your creations can have diffrent powers than the cretor, so his soul powers amount to taking over an infant thats not even born with your corruption?...great...
err, a completly unfounded statement ,I provide proof for almost anything and everything that is worthy of proof, point out where I dont please?
yes so.....so magicians can destroy the source of the well of eternity, that still does not change the WoE energy was infnite.
I concede to trapping sargaras in a dimension likely to be impossible.
erm not really unless you can prove he was actually stricken by a Soul power or spell? you need to prove he was actually hit by soul powers, all of those "feats" your calling resistance are nothing of the sort, his soul control doent mean his soul is resistant to being consumed or otherwise.
No you know correctly, hes never actually done it, but its among his capabilities, he has connecton to all the pillars now, including states which includes the state of things, allowing those who control that pillar to control matter and such, he could also control energy to a similiar extent ,ive already shown proof for this 100 times over about Kains connectio to the pillars. What particulour proof are you asking for?
Steal from Kain? no, Archimonde simply dipping into the power of the Well of Eternity is nothing to do with stealing powers, he was simply draining the energy, its just a fonrt of energy he could connect to...its nothing like "stealing" anything tbh. Kain woud use his regulation of magic to simply make Sargeras a non magical being...
Has Sargeras ever shown time resistance of any measure, and also give me logical reasoning why time bolt which is not much bigger than kains hand and can freeze much bigger creatures in LOK would be restricted because Sargeras is larger? thats like me saying can you prove Sargaras kill creatures that are yellow, perhaps their colour randomly makes them immune, perhaps Kain being the colour that he is makes him immune? how about has Sargeras ever defeated someone with Voradors ring through their ear? no...dint think so...
Also Kains range of time control/freezing would be infnite in this battle.
Kain doesnt need to or require resistance to energy Drain ,as i said, his energy is limitless like the WoE, you cannot drain an infnite source, it would be pointless, Kain on the other hand does not drain, he regulates, he would simply deem Sargaras unworthy of magic usage and remove it from him, not drain.
Originally posted by Burning thought
That they are far weaker than Sargeras. Just not ncesserily magically. Where does it say fel magic is their strongest power?I dont have to show you anything Utrigos about a gas giant sized being that could put his hand through Azeroth like it was a wet paper bag, the very physical dimension of his size and volume would imediatley be logically higher than any power on Azeroth, he wouldnt "shake" the world, thats impossible when with a tap he would crumble it. What your asking would be like me asking if you can prove a 10,000 mile wide steel ball is heavier than a paper clip....
There is some diffrence, Pyron has more power and size within him than all of Azeroth or the Warcraft universe see what I did there? it was a fine example, an example of how beings far beyond Sargeras do not need to abide by your no limits fallacy of "he is not harmed by nature magikz so he is invulerables!".
sure if the proof is provided, it sounds like an overhype, I think the impoosion of the portal closing was simply what set the well of eternity off balance which caused the sundering or so ive read before now, not the portal itself ravaging the world.
1. no, not reasonable at all, one planet means nothing to the enormous gas giant Pyron is and moving at lightspeed into Sargeras too...i mean how is that even reasonable? dont you know the size of a Gas giant? perhaps this is where your loosing grips with this thing. Also you keep saying of a planet but only the nature aspect of it, its not the full power of the planets magic or anything of the sort.
2. A spell that took a fair cast time by illidan and required the eye of Sargeras? overall a worthless spell in any real combat.
You see this is why I need to ask for proof, as youve shown before your lack of understanding of things you read seem to blur with your overhyping, nowhere in that quote does it say Sargeras was hit by the power of the sundering or anything like it, the sundering happened when the WoE was knocked out by the portal when it closed completly, all that happens in that quote is Sargeras is locked and stuck for a while, showing his foolery and pathetic nature overall.
In fact, they are like fleas when it comes to power over Sargeras. The book says: "In comparison to Sargeras, both Archimonde and Mannoroth were as fleas. The power of a hundred dragons would have been as nothing to him", this along with the rest of the page clearly implicate that power and magic is the subject of which Krasus speak.
Good thing Sargeras is more endurant than Azeroth then. The fact that Pyron is big has significance, but just because he is big does not automaticly mean he can harm Sargeras. Why is it you think that Sargeras is so vulnerable to Pyron's punches? Because he is smaller? Kain is even smaller and yet you claim him able to protect himself against Pryon with his shield. Quit being so hypocritic, and yes, I know you will now bring up the whole "indestructable" thing. But newsflash to you: Sargeras is claimed indestructable as well. Much like how Superman is vulnerable to magic, Sargeras is vulnerable to nature magic. Something Pyron does not have. In fact, that is not even true. Sargeras is only vulnerable to immortal magic, which was exactly what the Ax of Brox was. Imbued with immortal magic (The magic of Kalimdor dwelled within the Ax, as stated by narrator. The greatest druids of all times imbued it with the power of Azeroth and Elune)
More power? Not at all. Compared to the top tier, Pyron is dwarfed in power. He is more dangerous than anything Warcraft can spit out, though, this is true. He is far from more powerful though. Pyron has more size, which is the only reason team one would win this fight if they did. An equal-sized Pyron or a 20% Pyron would never oppose the threat our several planet-sizes Pyron can.
Excuse me? The Well of Eternity and the Demon Soul were bound to the portal! It was when the portal imploded that the world 'ended' as the so gently book said. The implosion brought the disasterious effect on the planet, when it imploded. But this is not of significance though, since while weak characters survived being present at the sundering, Sargeras survived while actually being in the middle of the implosion.
1. Geesh! A Gas Giant does not have a specific size. If you want to try accuse me for not knowing how big a gas giant is, I suggest you stop right there. Do you take me for an idiot? A gas giant has no set size, so if you are trying to prove a Pyron point by bringing the term gas giant into things here, you failed. Utterly.
The Ax of Brox was by narrator said to contain the magic of Kalimdor, granted them by the Goddess Elune.
2. The Eye of Sargeras? What are you? Desperate? There was no Eye of Sargeras at the time in Azeroth. Illidan interveened in the portal process with the weaving of a spell himself, and maybe an hour later he was the official destroyer of the planet. There were no fancy artifacts for him to use. It was just him, the spells he knew and the blessing he had been granted by Sargeras. Sure Illidan's spell would be useless in combat, but that is not my point.
Are you blind?: "As the portal imploded, the demon lord found himself trapped. He could not flee, could not pull back. Dropping his sword, the titan even battered against the gateway with his fists, but to no avail. The corridor between realms shrank rapidly, at last crushing in on him". Sargeras was literally inside the portal when it crushed inwards by an implosion. IMPLOSION! CRUSHING!
Implosion: Implosion is a process in which objects are destroyed by collapsing in on themselves. The opposite of explosion, implosion concentrates matter and energy. An example of implosion is a submarine being crushed from the outside by the hydrostatic pressure of the surrounding water. A violent compression.
Crushing: To bring to an end forcibly as if by imposing a heavy weight. To press forcefully so as to break up into a pulpy mass. To break up into tiny particles.
I assume you already know that when a star goes supernova, it implodes. As is it a key part to the rise of neutron stars and black holes. Of course you do. I am also sure you have a perfect explanation ready to be used on how Sargeras will die by Pyron's punch while he survived being in the center of an implosion.
Originally posted by UtrigitaAh shit.
Could you get me the proof?I mean primarily the Galaxies, the Planets I know but he has to grow to absorb them correct? The matter manipulation too would be nice?
I actually mis-remembered sumthin I read, it says he devoured countless worlds, and the galaxies thing I got from was that on his travels he turned his eyes to other galaxies and stars. My bad.
The matter manipulation is hard to prove simply because there is no vid of it. You have seen the pic where he is using Earth as a ring right?
Originally posted by Becci1. It LITERALLY has the power of the entire world, or just all the power of "Earth," The nature magic in other words? Also, one other thing, I assume said character without the axe is not very physically strong, it was totally the axe's doing correct? The damage I mean. Well, since Pyron possesses more power and can hit harder, he will do more damage than a weakling(in comparison) with a powerful weapon.
It is very reasonable thinking that when a weapon containing litteraly the power of a planet in the form of nature damage barely scratches him, that he could take the punch of something a mix between physical damage and fire (Which is Sargeras immunity). Nature damage is shown to be the only thing that has ever harmed Sargeras. Or Archimonde for that matter, which is a miniature Sargeras in every twistable aspect.When Sargeras had gotten his scratch by Brox ax, Alexstrasza, Rhonin and Korialstrasz focused all their magic into one powerful blast upon the scratch which had opened a glitch in Sargeras elsewise indestructable body, Sargeras did not even feel it. Alexstrasza dwarfs Korialstrasz powers thousand fold (Official number), and Korialstrasz dwarves Rhonins powers, while Rhonin dwarfs Illidan's powers, and Illidan casted a spell that sundered the world.
I think you can, by that, imagine roughly how much power there is in an all-out blast by the red queen 😉
Fire is Sargeras' immunity? Well...It's not like all of Pyron's attacks even use fire really, his strongest attack is probably Cosmic Disruption in-game, and that has no trace of fire at all. And saying nature damage is all that can hurt Sargeras is in fact a No-Limits fallacy. Pyron possesses more power than all of the Scourse, the Horde, the Alliance, and the current Burning Legion combined(barring Sargeras himself), Arichmonde and Kiljaedan are as nothing to him.
Illidan casted a spell with a special artifact did he not? He does not have constant access to all that power at all times from what I have seen.
...Not really, no. haermm