The Xmen vs The Incredible Hulk

Originally posted by Robtard
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He also dug his way through the SF streets like a ****ing badger, he'd have no problem punching and tearing a Hulk-sized hole in that bridge.

Oh, did you forget the survived a gamma bomb? I think that puts out considerable more force than a bridge falling on Hulk, taking into acocunt that the Hulk would just sit there and wait for a slow as bridge to hit him.

Sure, the bridge would not kill Hulk.

But under that much weight he would not be able to move. 🙂

Man, a lot of terribly biased Hulkhaters here.

-AC

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Never said it would.

Sure, the bridge would not kill Hulk.

But under that much weight he would not be able to move. 🙂

Dig you miss the scenes that show just how strong he is? Like digging his way of out several tons and tons of rubble(I posted a link to it previously), or digging his way through the streets?

Now apply those feats to a bridge made of steel girders, concrete and asphalt. Hint:

Spoiler:
He'd just dig his way out.

Originally posted by Robtard
In the first movie, he transferred his powers to Rogue, because exhausting that much of his powers would have killed him. Trying to bring down a city ontop of the Hulk would easily exert that much or more of his power. I.E. Using his powers puts a physical strain on him, the more power, the more the strain.

Hulk opened up Abrams tanks like they were tinfoil, he also was able to exert enough force to throw an Abrams tank (65 tons) several miles in a matter of seconds. Magneto isn't going to hold him for very long, if at all.

While I agree that this is the only way they could stop (not kill) the Hulk, it's unknown if she could.

I see so many hulk fanboys here.

Lets see , Magneto was exhausted because he transfered his powers to rogue, and he prefered that the machine would kill rogue in stead of himself, not because the use of his powers could kill him. Not as in all the movies, he wasnt exhausted at any moment whe he is using his powers. See for instance the bridge scene, he wasnt exhausted at all.

Second, magneto also can fly. How on hell he could be that idiot and waits for the hulk catching him.

Third, jean grey mind powers are almost as powerful as xavier's. See in the car scene when xavier controlled toad and sabertooth. Jean was helping him to do it. Why she couldnt do it or even mind rape him, or even calm him and transform him in Banner again???

fourth, the hulk has only strenght and endurance, and he is DUMB. Magneto is very clever, jean grey also. The others arent stupid at all. They could use their powers combinated with a plan and beat the hulk in one of the many ways posted before. So many to choose.

To be the fan of a character doesnt mean to overrate him. In fact, i like more the hulk than the x-men, but the hulk couldnt beat someone with magneto's powers or jean grey's.

First: If me or anyone else had countered with a "Hulk just wins", you'd have a point with your little "fanboy" rants, but everyone has used actual scenes/feats from the movie to debate on behalf of the Hulk. So you're an idiot.

Second: Magneto used Rogue because he knew that using that much power would have killed him, this was a key point of the story, Magneto was trying to be righteous on his war on humanity, but he wouldn't sacrifice himself, Wolverine even mentioned this, you stupid ****ing idiot.

Third: Jean is telepathic and telekinetic, that in of itself doesn't equate to "mind control" and it is inconclusive if she was helping Xavier or if she was, if she could do it alone. Repeat: Her mind powers would be the only way the mutants could win and it's inconclusive, you completely senseless moron.

Fourth: As noted, Magneto couldn't do anything to Hulk that he hasn't been shown to survive in the movie. Which of course you'll just continue to ignore and continue ranting about bridges and tornados, little chimp.

Originally posted by Robtard
First: If me or anyone else had countered with a "Hulk just wins", you'd have a point with your little "fanboy" rants, but everyone has used actual scenes/feats from the movie to debate on behalf of the Hulk. So you're an idiot.

Second: Magneto used Rogue because he knew that using that much power would have killed him, this was a key point of the story, Magneto was trying to be righteous on his war on humanity, but he wouldn't sacrifice himself, Wolverine even mentioned this, you stupid ****ing idiot.

Third: Jean is telepathic and telekinetic, that in of itself doesn't equate to "mind control" and it is inconclusive if she was helping Xavier or if she was, if she could do it alone. Repeat: Her mind powers would be the only way the mutants could win and it's inconclusive, you completely senseless moron.

Fourth: As noted, Magneto couldn't do anything to Hulk that he hasn't been shown to survive in the movie. Which of course you'll just continue to ignore and continue ranting about bridges and tornados, little chimp.

First of all, i love your insults, it makes me to love you even more, dear honey. Because after all those insults, i really know that you love me.

About your crack staments:

the first one: All the people used arguments. Nobody said " he will win and thats all". Well, i think that one guy did it with wolverine, but i think that it was a joke.

Second one: You have to see the movie to understand it. Magneto use of his powers doesnt exhaustes him. The only moment that he was exhausted was because the contact for rogue. But you, with your amazing intelligence so many times prooved, didnt understand it. See it, my love, read it: ROGUE CONTACT HURT PEOPLE. MAGNETO'S USE OF HIS POWERS DOESNT EXHAUSTES HIM. THE MACHINE WAS FOR IMPROVE HIS POWERS, BUT THE MACHINE COULD KILL HIM, NOT THE USE OF HIS POWERS. FOR THAT REASON, HE TRANSLATED HIS POWERS TO ROGUE AND THEN, THE MACHINE USED IT AND COULD KILL HER. HE WAS EXHAUSTED BECAUSE ROGUE'S CONTACT AND BEFORE, FOR THE USE OF THE MACHINE, NOT FOR THE USE OF HIS POWERS. THAT WAS THE REASON BECAUSE WOLVERINE CALL HIM FALSE AND HYPOCRITE, FOR USE ROGUE'S LIFE IN HIS WAR AGAINST THE HUMANS, NOT HIMSELF. DID YOU NOTICE THAT HE NEVER WAS EXHAUSTED IN ANY OTHER MOMENT USING HIS POWERS, DID YOU UNDERSTAND IT, BIG BOY???

Third one: yes its inconclusive the mind control, but she could use her mind powers in another way, to calm the hulk and reverse him into Banner again.

Fourth one: again, the hulk is DUMB. he has only strenght. Magneto can fly, can create force fields. Can use his powers in many, many ways. And plus, he is pretty clever. Same with jean grey. The hulk is only a stupid monster who only wants to be alone and get some calm and food.

a kiss for your, darling.

Bakerboy, if you were trying to make a logical point, I suggest you try again.

Everything you just said was said by mulitiple people pages ago.

You fail to accept that Mag's and the X-men have shown nothing in the movies that compare to a Gamma explosion (which Hulk survived). Regardless if Hulk is "dumb", nobody on the X-men team can match his strength speed or stamina.

Also give proof that Jean can actually "calm the hulk" or STFU up about that already.

Wait, why ask Bakerboy to make a logical point?

Are you aware of his debate style?

-AC

Yeah, its almost as difficult as the centauri guy doesnt looking arrogant in one only post.

Also, my beloved robstad is now reported to the moderators because his childish behaving and his childish insults.

Blinky, doesnt pay atention to centauri because he doesnt deserves it. He thinks that he is an expert in every matter and at the end of the day, he is just arrogant.

Now, about your post, are we talking here about ang lee's hulk??? Because in that movie, i dont remember him suvirving to a gamma explosion. Remember me that part.

Now, the hulk is pretty good in a phisichal fight. But it isnt a phisichal fight. Magneto or jean greay wont give him a phisichal fight based in strenght. They have so many ways to win a battle, not just with punches and brute strenght. And the brute strenght, what the hulk is basically, isnt the most important thing in a battle. We are talking here about intelligence( the hulk is totally stupid, he only destroys what he sees and wants to be alone, and thats all), force fields, flying, mind control, magnetism powers, etc). The magneto power and jean grey mind power is just enough to beat the hulk.

The hulk isnt intelligent, he is only a monster full of rage and fury. If jean could penetrate in his dumb mind and talk to him and lies him, she could calm him) plus magneto who has his intelligence, his powers of controll all the metal around( including the enterly city), his force fields, his fly, etc.

What the hulk could do to magneto? He has to touch him to beat him, and that would be impossible to him because magneto is more intelligent, he can fly and he has force fields and could distract the hulk atacking him with all the metal around.

And then, we have storm, cyclops, iceman, etc who could distract the hulk. Also, magneto and jean and the others could plan something to lie the hulk and beat him. There are so many ways to beat a dumb monster who has only phisichal strenght.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Stopping a bullet right as it was like a millimeter from a dude's head.

Originally posted by bakerboy
The hulk isnt intelligent, he is only a monster full of rage and fury.

There are so many ways to beat a dumb monster who has only phisichal strenght.

He's also extremely cunning, as seen in the tank and gunship scenes. Obviously you failed to grasp this, no surprise there.

His physical strength combined with his god-like durability and speed, is what would make him outlast and take down any of the mutants, as it's been noted countless times, there's nothing they could do that is even close to what he already has been shown to survive. (With the exception of Jean and the possibility of doing something to his mind, that's inconclusive though)

The longer the fight goes on, the stronger (and bigger) Hulk becomes while the mutants do not have inexhaustible energy, maybe Wolverine, but he is irrelevant. Just a matter of time before they fall one by one.

Now it's time for you to ignore what the Hulk was shown to survive/do in the movie and continue ranting about bridges and rainstorms.

Edit:

Originally posted by bakerboy Now, about your post, are we talking here about ang lee's hulk??? Because in that movie, i dont remember him suvirving to a gamma explosion. Remember me that part.

The very end of the movie in the lake, when his father is draining his energy, yet the Hulk proves to be too much for him. Ross ordered a gamma bomb strike; it makes a direct hit. Hulk survives it, despite being simultaneously drained of power.

Did you pay attention at all during the movie?

This depends on how the fight is written I think. I say Magneto is still the big factor. Without him, Hulk can handle himself. I am thinking that Storm would be a big factor--Hulk can not run or jump around very well in a tornado no matter how strong he is. But then again neither can anybody else so they would not be able to touch him anyway. Colossus could probably take a few hits but would not be able to hurt Hulk. I am thinking the same with Juggernaut, although a momentum attack would probably knock Hulk off balance. Cyclops could stun and knock Hulk around but not seriously hurt him. The healing factor of Hulk would protect him even if they somehow got him cornered and were able to get several group hits in.

But I still say a creative Magneto could be a factor--he moved the Golden Gate Bridge, or the majority of it. Hulk has nowhere close to that ability, and if the same strength level were focused into a metal attack on Hulk, he may go down. Remember, Magneto can keep a sharp metal piece from deforming as it hits Hulk's skin. It's not like a bullet that will obliberate when it hits Hulk even if it is going fast.
And I believe Magneto manipulating metal could indeed exceed the forces of large rocks falling on Hulk. Hulk may not have been directly under a huge rock anyway, he may have been more or less between pieces since he was able to crawl out ok.
And I would tend to believe that a gamma bomb isn't going to hurt Hulk as much as it would other characters, since that's what actually gives him his powers.
P.S. if he reached a level of rage that went to what he threw at his old man at the end of the movie (which I basically see as hyperbole though, as they were basically becoming an abstract being together) then maybe he gets even bigger and greener and takes Magneto down like a chump.

LoL, everything you said hangs on basically a "what if", instead of what is seen/shown in the movies.

Let's just say the gamma bomb (nuclear+) was only half as strong in regards to the Hulk, can Magneto attack at half (he'd need greater actually to take out, considering the Hulk survived, but we'll just ignore that too) the destructive force of a gamma bomb?

Edit: if you like, we can "what if" it and say it was at 1/3 the power, you know, for shits-n-giggles.

I cry for this thread.

Robtard, I congratulate you.

The ONLY way the X-Men would win is if Jean Grey uses mind powers. That may be what happens, or it may not. It was also stated that Dark Phoenix, and associated power, is not allowed.

Otherwise, fight goes like this:
Hulk jumps at opponent #1 and kills him with one punch.
Hulk jumps at opponent #2 and kills him with one punch.
Hulk jumps at opponent #3 and kills her with one punch.
Etc.

Hulk is not some stupid, clumsy, slow, lumbering beast that they can all chuck hits at. He's FAST.

Jean or Erik solo

Jean maybe. Erik takes too long to make his big attacks. Hulk would be all over him before he's able to launch something big enough to take out Hulk.

Unless Hulk is mind rape to calm down he stomps badly.

Magneto could use Wolverine to slice at Hulk.

Wolverine claws + Magneto's brute power behind it would be pretty damned scary.

Hulk caught that pilot trying to escape the plane showing some quick reflexes in Avengers, he also slapped away Hulkbuster parts in Age of Ultron. Imo he's too fast, strong and ferocious for all of them save the Phoenix plot device power and even that is iffy at best since Wolverine was able to advance on Jean due to his healing, Hulk would be on her in a split second

Phuck it, Hulk shitstomps