Terry Bogard vs Kratos

Fuuma's arguments in general suck, but I agree that there is no evidence of Ryu not using the move with all his strength.

But seriously, Hugo is like 10 feet tall and weighs upwards of a ton of raw muscle, and he has no durability feats other than that one, so how is it a bad feat for Ryu?

agree that there is no evidence of Ryu not using the move with all his strength

as to why it makes ryu look bad, the fact that hugo has no other feats (not even wins)and the fact that he is midtier and was a generic midtier thug from Final Fight AND was beaten down by Kyle Travers who is a rookie, in a game that according to Tiamat is probably canon.............it makes ryu look bad. especially considering that he didn't even scar him.

Man of Violence, you are just a fanboy for Ryu. Coming with comeback after comeback just because you think he is superior to everybody else means you are a fanboy.

Not a Ryu thread.

What is wrong with a Ryu thread?

Kratos ftw.

Originally posted by Wil7
What is wrong with a Ryu thread?

And for future reference, everyone is not a fanyboy. you called me a fanyboy for when i siad kratos can beat sephiroth. That doesnt mean im a fanyboy, i just know what im talking about, unlike you.

Originally posted by Sado22
if anything, we can sure that he gave it his all because shinshoryuken IS his all out move. regarding the move he even asks his opponent in his wins if they have seen a greater force.

as to why it makes ryu look bad, the fact that hugo has no other feats (not even wins)and the fact that he is midtier and was a generic midtier thug from Final Fight AND was beaten down by Kyle Travers who is a rookie, in a game that according to Tiamat is probably canon.............it makes ryu look bad. especially considering that he didn't even scar him.

You need to stop using this BS A>B>C logic in your debates, this I am serious about.

A character with no feats and wins isn't KOed by a character who is generally considered top-tier in his series and has feats and wins, that is a good feat for Hugo if anything, noy a bad one for Ryu.

And Tiamat says it is "probably" canon? Tiamat can honestly suck my dick, I don't care what he thinks is "probably" canon, if it isn't a canonical non-disputable fact, GTFO the canon guide.

And Ryu's moves don't have cutting power, as if they did they could potentially be fatal. And Ryu does not kill.

Hugo has no other durability feats is the reason why it is not a bad durability feat for Ryu.

You need to stop using this BS A>B>C logic in your debates, this I am serious about.

A character with no feats and wins isn't KOed by a character who is generally considered top-tier in his series and has feats and wins, that is a good feat for Hugo if anything, noy a bad one for Ryu.

And Tiamat says it is "probably" canon? Tiamat can honestly suck my dick, I don't care what he thinks is "probably" canon, if it isn't a canonical non-disputable fact, GTFO the canon guide.

And Ryu's moves don't have cutting power, as if they did they could potentially be fatal. And Ryu does not kill.

~Sado

So, wait, Hugo isn't allowed to be any stronger in the 10 years bitween FF and SF3?

Plus, it's already been stated in SFE and AAC (Two official books released by Capcom of Japan directly) that Hugo is not an Andore of any kind... similar looks granted, but his size weight and strentg are far beyond any Andore seen in any final fight by nearly 2 feet and 150 pounds... Your argument is pure rehash and regurgitation at it's finest... And tiers are something invented by players based on gameplay Sado, NEVER use tiers again, it's speculatory crap to begin with. Every argument you have ever used has something to do with tiers and speculation, hell even Tiamat admitshis guide is a sizable portion is his own speculation and the rest is 2nd hand knowlege he gleamed from Saiki, and even then Saiki's knowlege is 2nd hand... WTF?

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Your arguments aboutr the kkrz = island killer is still flawed too, seeing as how the SFA2 pic still shows no aura beyond glowing eyes and nothing else, no purple blast waves, no lightning impact, no energy traces along the ground like KKRZ's impact point on Uuluru. and in case you've forgotten your physics (Yet again) Lightning travels uward, not down to the Earth... And again, we see no splitting of any kind from Gokentou, only debris as it dissapears... Thats more likened to a blast effect than a cut.

Again, your arguments are based entirely on one simple thing "they are both punches to the ground, therefore they must be the same technique". This is groundless to the extreme, and now you know it too.

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As for the Hadouken having images of hands in them, therefore they must be as strong as the casters punches or kicks, There is so many things wrong with your logic here it's hard to find somewhere to start.

Ok, I guess firstly, the point about the hands being in the Hadouken, Dude, What the hell does that have to do with it?, #1: the hands you see are in the shape of the casting image, two forward facing palms side by side, palm=/= punch or a kick... And it was the last physical imprimt on the ki made by the caster, so it's fare more likely to be an after image within the ki itself. #2: Im' guessing you've never heard of Ki control, or even better, you've never heard of pulling your punches... Akuma quite reasonably, and with all the reasons stated here, could have been deliberately holding back a considerable amount of power to avoid killing the only man he deems worthy enough to face when he is at his best someday, on top of that, Tenam Gou Zankuu is FAR from Akuma's most potent moves, in fact thats his WEAKEST Super Art... #3: Since we've seen Hadoukiens do different things, and only a very few MINORITY have hands in them anyway, not to mention that NO other projectile in the entire game has hands in them, yet must suffer your contemptable "Rule" over them proves you simply suck on Tiamat's guide so hard in a desperate attempt to find any sort of ammo for your anti SF crusade. it's embarrasing...

I could do a huge rambling post beyond this reguarding every fighting game argument and debate you've ever had (Including the stuff on your site). But I shall wait for the right time and place for those, and beleive me my friend, not everything I have to say is pro Street Fighter, despite your fears, it just so happens that about 90% of your arguments happen to be Anti SFer for one reason or another, and most of it I happen to disagree with, that doesn't make me a Fanboy like you claim, or as you once stated to me (Quite unprovoked mind you) "And advent goer of the Church of SFer". All that makes me, is a fellow debater who happens to be on the other side of the fence, or in some cases sdraddiling that fence. 😈

Now, where was I.....? Oh yeah!, have a nice day 😄

So, wait, Hugo isn't allowed to be any stronger in the 10 years bitween FF and SF3?

Plus, it's already been stated in SFE and AAC (Two official books released by Capcom of Japan directly) that Hugo is not an Andore of any kind. similar looks granted, but his size weight and strentg are far beyond any Andore seen in any final fight by nearly 2 feet and 150 pounds. Your argument is pure rehash and regurgitation at it's finest.

And tiers are something invented by players based on gameplay Sado, NEVER use tiers again, it's speculatory crap to begin with.

Every argument you have ever used has something to do with tiers and speculation, hell even Tiamat admitshis guide is a sizable portion is his own speculation and the rest is 2nd hand knowlege he gleamed from Saiki, and even then Saiki's knowlege is 2nd hand... WTF

Your arguments aboutr the kkrz = island killer is still flawed too, seeing as how the SFA2 pic still shows no aura beyond glowing eyes and nothing else

no purple blast waves

no lightning impact

no energy traces along the ground like KKRZ's impact point on Uuluru.

and in case you've forgotten your physics (Yet again) Lightning travels uward, not down to the Earth.

And again, we see no splitting of any kind from Gokentou, only debris as it dissapears... Thats more likened to a blast effect than a cut.

Again, your arguments are based entirely on one simple thing "they are both punches to the ground, therefore they must be the same technique". This is groundless to the extreme, and now you know it too

As for the Hadouken having images of hands in them, therefore they must be as strong as the casters punches or kicks, There is so many things wrong with your logic here it's hard to find somewhere to start.

i could do a huge rambling post beyond this reguarding every fighting game argument and debate you've ever had (Including the stuff on your site).

But I shall wait for the right time and place for those, and beleive me my friend, not everything I have to say is pro Street Fighter, despite your fears, it just so happens that about 90% of your arguments happen to be Anti SFer for one reason or another, and most of it I happen to disagree with, that doesn't make me a Fanboy like you claim, or as you once stated to me (Quite unprovoked mind you) "And advent goer of the Church of SFer". All that makes me, is a fellow debater who happens to be on the other side of the fence, or in some cases sdraddiling that fence.

~Sadp

direct interview with the makers>booklets.

you interviewed the makers?

Originally posted by Sado22
about the dumbest most f00ked up excuse of rebuttal i've ever heard....and i was around during the "shinremy arc" of KMC 😐
you, are the lamest SOB i've ever come across. with chums like you around, even ignoring you is embarrassing 😆

Originally posted by I-Drop
Dammit. Watch the fight again & pay attention. Take the hate goggles off while you're at it. Watch the part where he's talking to him about paths & shit. This ain't rockect science.
PG didn't bring Ken into this IIRC
This ain't about Hugo or Ryu, fool. I don't cliam shit. Logically if he beat Ryu they'd make a big deal about it & would have mentioned it in the same breath as "survived the SS". Like "survived the SS & defeated Ryu". Wait--So because Hugo takes Ryu as a tag partner in HUGO's ending Hugo beat Ryu's @ss in canon? That makes perfect sense to you doesn't it? 😂 You're a gotdamn genius, Gump! You're doing that thing where you always assume the best for those you like, but when it's Ryu, Rock or anybody else you got something against, you assume the worst. How about we both STFU about this until we know what happened?WTF. I went over this natural shit w/EMP a while back. Go learn MY definition of what a natural is b4 you try to use MY definition against me. That'd be great. Terry ain't a natural & ain't ever been described as such. Kyo & Ken have. This ain't about Ken either. We oughta talk about the bogarder & Kratos here.
? Both are more interesting than Terry on their worst day. & YOU are almost always the one who brings them up. Most of us would rather stick to the subject matter
Some are. That's why we got Bush as our president. Doesn't make Terry the man. He'll be the man when he can do it w/out the other characters having to suck. (never) Somebody should tell those FF idiots what a rival should be like. See that? I can rank on Terry here because he (not Gouki, Ken, or Ryu) is part of this. Isn't that awesome?

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
never thought they are Gods. just powerful. know the difference between strong and God? 😂

Originally posted by Wil7
That is a terrible excuse for Ryu.

RYU IS NOT AT HIS BEST/MOST RUTHLESS UNTIL HE IS EVIL. ANY MOVE DONE WITH OUT THE SATSUI NO HADOU IS TONED DOWN. THIS INCLUDES SHINSHORYUKENS

Sorry about the Capitals but I just cut and pasted what I said to Fuuma

Originally posted by Wil7
The only one we are putting up with is currently you dude. His arguments have points and meanings, and there is no reason I should put up with him when I don't need to.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
2. another failure excuse for Ryu. 😂 Ryu used his shinshoryuken which is his strongest move because he has no choice but to use it. even so he [b]FAIL to KO Hugo with his strongest move. [/B]

RYU IS NOT AT HIS BEST/ MOST RUTHLESS UNTIL HE IS EVIL. ANY MOVE DONE WITH OUT THE SATSUI NO HADOU IS TONED DOWN. THIS INCLUDES SHINSHORYUKENS

Originally posted by Wil7
Man of Violence, you are just a fanboy for Ryu. Coming with comeback after comeback just because you think he is superior to everybody else means you are a fanboy.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Fuuma's arguments in general suck,

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
but I agree that there is no evidence of Ryu not using the move with all his strength.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
But seriously, Hugo is like 10 feet tall and weighs upwards of a ton of raw muscle, and he has no durability feats other than that one, so how is it a bad feat for Ryu?

Originally posted by Man of Violence
You a Goddamn joke Sado, you know that? Only you think up stupid shit like that to say. 99% of the cats on this Forum will agree that I am one of the coolest most logical guys around. What I said was absolutly logical unlike the shit you pull from yur ass. You keep talkin about Remy but there are only about 2 people here who don't think yur as much of a hater as he was a fanboi. At least he had enuff sence to leave, you instead comeback er year, likes its a job, or one of yur majors, more ****ed up then the last. And I'm lame...trick PLEEZ. A+ for you😆

Originally posted by I-Drop
hysterical We're supposed to be impressed 'cuz Terry's fightin' muthafukas w/names like Ashy Larry, Greasy Joe, Shakes &Pookie the basehead.

Up to U'R old tricks. He went from Hogan 2 bumb fighter. Terry is just no good 2 U. 😆

you interviewed the makers?

Originally posted by Sado22
no, he has no other feats is the point. he got smacked around by the FF boys (including kyle who is no meta) in a straight up fight. which is why ryu looks so bad. what part of that doesn't get through? on top of that, he's midtier. notice also that ryu always seems to have problems with wrestlers. even in the "godly" SFA anime Zangief laid out ryu in a straight up fight even though ryu was the one who blindsided him.

it aint. i'm telling you why ryu looks bad.

ryu is 2nd tier actually. when you can't put down someone lower to you, it makes you look bad.

tiamat said that ryu and hugo fought. where they fought is unknown i.e. which game. also whether hugo went on to win the fight is also unknown. hence, its pointless to start saying that ryu won cuz its just that. pointless.

well, he did scar Sagat with the shoryuken didn't he? that's why the analogy. the move itself was similar (both of 'em are shoryukens).

~Sado

2. Only it doesn't make Ryu look bad.

Jin was taken out by the featless Tekken Squad. So by your own logic, Jin must now be a bottom-tier since bottom tiers took him out.

3. Ryu is top-tier, with Shin Gouki, SFA Bison, Gill, probably Oro, and possibly Gen being God-Tier. And being a lower tier does not mean you have lower durability or strength, only that overall you are lower.

4. ...What does this have to do with what I said?

5. Well actually, it was stated that Ryu and Ken's non-fatal versions of the fatal Ansatsuken techniques are just as potent in combat as the originals. I know that makes absolutely no sense, but whatever Trevor.

😂 That makes NO sense.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
That section in bold was very...how do U say...Kanye West like 😆 😆 😂 🤣 U R wrong...

Up to U'R old tricks. He went from Hogan 2 bumb fighter. Terry is just no good 2 U. 😆

SNK has stopped with FF(screw them btw) though the "dickeating" does not happen with him in KOF....since that has been the only game in which Terry is apart of now. It's basically all Kyo and his war to stop Orochi b.s. and no matter if it's a loss in a "friendly" match, it's still a loss.

😈 So Kyo's better than Terry right, bloodbro?