Terry Bogard vs Kratos

Started by Dark-Jaxx16 pages

I don't really have enough time to answer your whole post, but...

Originally posted by Sado22
brian doesn't have higher durability than jin.

Seems to me you were quite clearly saying Brian ISN'T more durable than Jin, when he clearly is. 🙂

And so he is a cyborg...So? Jin is a Mishima and a Devil in one, yet still has lesser durability than a mere cyborg.

And Hugo is also alot bigger than Ryu, and packed with more cushion for taking a punch. Go figure.

And so he is a cyborg...So? Jin is a Mishima and a Devil in one, yet still has lesser durability than a mere cyborg

devil needs to be activated first. watch the Tekken3 jin ending again. he gets shot and even gets shot in the head. but he has no scars to show it BECAUSE by the time devil powers were activitated in him already. hence the healing factor. and what makes you think jin has less durability than Bryan post-Tekken3? while jin is taking shots from robots and getting hit by harley davidsons to the chest which then exploded and came out unscathed.......bryan took a coupla bullets to the torso 😐
and you still seem incapable of wrapping your head around human flesh and blood as opposed to machine.

Seems to me you were quite clearly saying Brian ISN'T more durable than Jin, when he clearly is

yes, and you care to explain so i can concede if i have to.

~Sado

stupid 15 minute crap! 😠
fixed.

while jin is taking shots from robots and getting hit by harley davidsons to the chest which then exploded and came out unscathed.......bryan took a direct tank shot. it seems debatable which is more impressive given that jin took without being able to guard and took it while flying in the air following a hard flipkick from that schoolgirl biatch, lili and wasn't able to guard himself. also it was a bike at top speed launched towards him WITH hwoarang kicking it at him.

Originally posted by I-Drop
😂 If Superman's from Capcom Sado would. Sado doesthis type of shit @ll the time. If he don't like somebody he always makes dumb @ss assumptions that make them look bad. He invented double standards.
I just don't understand how some one could debate seriously usin that type of logic.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
9. In combat, yeah. SF actually makes no sense. Ryu with his physical strength, punching a normal human thug should shatter their bones and kill them on impact. Yet doesn't. Wowz.

Then again, that was in an ending, in which we have yet to go beyond.

what the f0ck did i just here?😬
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4bZgKf9bCY (at 2:07)

...Dude, wtf? Why can't you just answer my ONE post with ONE reply? 😐

Originally posted by Sado22
damn...that's one big post! f0ck your for wasting my time, foo!

jin, kazuya, gene, cody, terry, geese, heihachi, paul etc etc all have power feats. fail.

and before that there were no power feats, yet SFA2 ryu still gets to beat on chums here. not cool. also we know that at the time of that ending ryu had already been training with oro for an unknown amount of time but we know he had been training for a while. that to me is post-trainig-with-oro feat.

dodging bullets doesn't mean he has more speed than a bullet. it didn't say he's faster than a speeding bullet it said he can dodge gunshots.

not really. it never said how deep he was.

more later....

1. What power feats does Terry have?

2. I never factor SFA2 Ryu into my debates. I debate SF3 Ryu, the most recent Ryu. And how do we know that?

3. ...Yeah it actually does. 😐 If I dodge a laser, does that mean I am still slower than the laser? Yeah, gunshots, which are shots from a gun, which is a bullet.

4. I thought a canon guide stated 1,000 meters? In fact, Fuuma was the one who brought this to my attention.

Originally posted by Sado22
not really. we don't know how deep he was. there is no proof saying he was at that depth and you fanboys need to stop talking out of your keisters really. if you want i'll post all the pics so you can see how full of shite the gouki supporters are.

endurance feat for hugo or a really shitey power feat for ryu. your pick. ryu aint superhuman strong BEFORE his training with Oro and there is no proof of it either.

read over what you said.

no. the psychodrives absorbed negative energy from the world and supplied it to him. meaning that he has limitless supply of energy because the world's reserve for negative emotions is negative which is where bison gets his energy from. his power was limitless, so was his stamina, so was his ability. on top of that he could teleport, fly, levitate, throw ki projectiles and psychorape people. 13 dolls aren't proven to be metahuman yet so don't use it. and ryu forcing him to retreat is uberPIS and you know it. we don't use PIS as feats because it PIS.

ryu got up after sagat raped him and did the shoryulegdrop and bison ran away. ALL CANON. it was a ONE-ON-ONE thing blow that made bison retreat not a team up. get your facts right.

~Sado

1. Canon guide stated 1,000m I believe. And noice, resorting to insults again. Shows real intelligence and debating ability it does.

2. Endurance feat for Hugo. Ryu could block and take punches from superhumanly strong characters like Gouki, of course he has superhuman strength before SF3.

3. Typo, I meant if neither have any endurance or power feats, why would it be a bad feat for either?

4. But his healing wasn't. You can be injured while still retaining energy, but you still will not be able to mantain peak performance. 13 Dolls in-game moves on their own pretty much state,"I'm superhuman," and each has a portion of the Psycho Power. That pretty much points to them being above the average human. So Ryu forcing him to retreat is PIS, but a group of low-tiers forcing Bison to retreating is not? Lol.

5. Bison had JUST been fighting a team, it was a TEAM effort like it or not.

Originally posted by Sado22
ditto.

really? so it must be BS when the said hunched over guy had his eyes glowing, was emanating a powerful aura and was grinning as he puffed out smokey breath.........seconds before he punched the ground and f0cked over an island.

cuz he was foo. not only is it stated but the fact that he did his strongest move on him (and still failed btw) shows the he was pushed to his limit. common sense.
notice also that "hogan" was also laid out by Zangief in SFA anime which as you boys like to say is canon in depiction (and i go out of my to explain that it isn't interms of ki plays but only interms of gravity defiance and overall unrealistic depiction of the humanbody and general physics)

😐

and while everyone else who pwned him could capitalize on his being slow and dumb and not godly ryu? not jesus christ himself in karate gi? you're not making any sense.
also calm down. no need to start acting like a fanboy.

oh and btw, Hugo is 240cm and 200kg. official source.

he was godtier running on infinite power. don't even act like its excusable because exhausting an infinite supply is PIS. which is what SFA3 is all about. if someone has infinite power he can go on and on, same goes for his stamina. bison could techinially go on forever......but he didn't and jsut ran away which is why:
-its all PIS
-and he's a pussy.
gameplay moves don't do squat. like what moves anyway? jumping in the air with a flip? 😂

what the drives did was channel the power to him without overloading him. he was simply plugged to a powerswitch board and had infinte supply of it. that is, he could go on and on (barring pis).

never said he did.

probably cuz she fought soul to soul as you said. did that occur to you?

~Sado

1. He was hunched over arms hanging limp, as if in pain. Sure, he was emanating an aura as Gouki often does, but that does not mean he was in pain. And if Ryu was "pwned" by Gouki, why was Ryu not scathed?

2. It was stated?

3. Who says he did not, considering the only thing we know about the fight is that Hugo was able to take Ryu's Shinshoryuken.

So Hugo is well over 7 feet tall and over 500 pounds(I think)? Still massive.

4. So if it is all PIS, why would that make Bison a pussy at all? 🙂

And sure normally it is inexhaustible, but now it was wildly fluctuating.

5. So you acknowledge Bison could very well have been injured?

6. Then why the hell are you comparing them? 🙂

1. He was hunched over arms hanging limp, as if in pain. Sure, he was emanating an aura as Gouki often does, but that does not mean he was in pain.

exactly 😱

And if Ryu was "pwned" by Gouki, why was Ryu not scathed?

in game dude. its not like akuma was hurt either.
or they didn't fight like i've been saying 😎

2. It was stated?

i'm sure it was. and even if it wasn't, the fact that he unleashed his strongest move is testament to the fact that he was pushed that far. its obvious. and Tiamat says the same thing.

So Hugo is well over 7 feet tall and over 500 pounds(I think)? Still massive

not an excuse since people have done better than that. Heck, Xiao was shown doing better against a jack hysterical

btw, Krauser is 6"7, 145kg and he was blown off and KO'ed with a pwoer geyser. i guess taht's a powerfeat for terry 🙄

4. So if it is all PIS, why would that make Bison a pussy at all?

because it happened and is stated as official. once it becomes official it cant be refuted, regardless of PIS 😐

And sure normally it is inexhaustible, but now it was wildly fluctuating.

NO 😠

. Then why the hell are you comparing them?

who?

1. What power feats does Terry have?

scarring geese with his blows. while ryu could only scar sagat after giving in to his darker side and doing a metsushoryuken, terry scarred geese all over the body with his blows.

2. I never factor SFA2 Ryu into my debates. I debate SF3 Ryu, the most recent Ryu. And how do we know that?

know what?

3. ...Yeah it actually does. If I dodge a laser, does that mean I am still slower than the laser? Yeah, gunshots, which are shots from a gun, which is a bullet.

the only way you're faster than a bullet is when you can outright it. dodging is different and it doesn't make you faster that it.

4. I thought a canon guide stated 1,000 meters? In fact, Fuuma was the one who brought this to my attention.

not that i know of. it said he was underwater (and we don't even know how long he was there).

1. Canon guide stated 1,000m I believe. And noice, resorting to insults again. Shows real intelligence and debating ability it does.

not like you never done it. and the "you" was stating a general statement. i said "you fanboys need to stop talking out of your keisters". which is true btw.

2. Endurance feat for Hugo. Ryu could block and take punches from superhumanly strong characters like Gouki, of course he has superhuman strength before SF3.

faulty logic

3. Typo, I meant if neither have any endurance or power feats, why would it be a bad feat for either?

true, it just makes them both chums. which is what i'm saying. ryu being incapable of toppling down midtier loser from FF shows that ryu's an even bigger loser *shrug*

4. But his healing wasn't. You can be injured while still retaining energy, but you still will not be able to mantain peak performance.

true, but that's where being "godtier" comes in. which is why SFA3 was so badly written. which is hwy bison losing was PIS. which is why Bison is a wimp now that the badly written SFA3 is canon.

13 Dolls in-game moves on their own pretty much state,"I'm superhuman," and each has a portion of the Psycho Power.

not really.
and where does it state that they have psycho power?

That pretty much points to them being above the average human.

them being metahuman is not confirmed yet.
them having psychopwoer is not confirmed yet.
them being methuman based on ingame is baseless (they seem atheletic but that's about it)

So Ryu forcing him to retreat is PIS, but a group of low-tiers forcing Bison to retreating is not? Lol.

never said it. still, since the PIS is part of the canon, it simply means bison is a wimp, limpdick loser who gets smacked around by people and gets wounded by people who are not even in his league by a longshot.
Bison=sissy. fact.

5. Bison had JUST been fighting a team, it was a TEAM effort like it or not.

which team? ryu, ken, sakura and Sagat. no it wasn't a team effort because he only ran after PISryuken. where does like it or not come in? 😕

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
exactly 😱

in game dude. its not like akuma was hurt either.
or they didn't fight like i've been saying 😎

i'm sure it was. and even if it wasn't, the fact that he unleashed his strongest move is testament to the fact that he was pushed that far. its obvious. and Tiamat says the same thing.

not an excuse since people have done better than that. Heck, Xiao was shown doing better against a jack hysterical

btw, Krauser is 6"7, 145kg and he was blown off and KO'ed with a pwoer geyser. i guess taht's a powerfeat for terry 🙄

because it happened and is stated as official. once it becomes official it cant be refuted, regardless of PIS 😐

NO 😠

who?

1. That was clearly a typo.

2. Despite the fact that Ryu's last stage is Ryu, then we see them both standing face to face, with Gouki complimenting Ryu and his fighting potential?

3. Not really, no. That just means that Hugo could be very durable and require alot of force, not that he gave Ryu a hard time. And once again, Hugo is virtually featless, why assume he has weak durability?

4. Jack's are cannon fodder, the average everyday Jack is a bottom tier in Tekken.

Actually yeah, yeah it is a power feat for Terry if he did that.

5. That's stupid. 😐 If it is canon, it is official, I mean Link beating Ganondorf in every Zelda game is PIS, but in a vs. debate, PIS holds no water, so yes, PIS should be ignored. 😐

6. Yeah.

7. Rose and Ryu.

Originally posted by Sado22
scarring geese with his blows. while ryu could only scar sagat after giving in to his darker side and doing a metsushoryuken, terry scarred geese all over the body with his blows.

know what?

the only way you're faster than a bullet is when you can outright it. dodging is different and it doesn't make you faster that it.

not that i know of. it said he was underwater (and we don't even know how long he was there).

not like you never done it. and the "you" was stating a general statement. i said "you fanboys need to stop talking out of your keisters". which is true btw.

faulty logic

true, it just makes them both chums. which is what i'm saying. ryu being incapable of toppling down midtier loser from FF shows that ryu's an even bigger loser *shrug*

true, but that's where being "godtier" comes in. which is why SFA3 was so badly written. which is hwy bison losing was PIS. which is why Bison is a wimp now that the badly written SFA3 is canon.

not really.
and where does it state that they have psycho power?

them being metahuman is not confirmed yet.
them having psychopwoer is not confirmed yet.
them being methuman based on ingame is baseless (they seem atheletic but that's about it)

never said it. still, since the PIS is part of the canon, it simply means bison is a wimp, limpdick loser who gets smacked around by people and gets wounded by people who are not even in his league by a longshot.
Bison=sissy. fact.

which team? ryu, ken, sakura and Sagat. no it wasn't a team effort because he only ran after PISryuken. where does like it or not come in? 😕

~Sado

1. Do Sagat and Geese have any durability feats, or are you just assuming that they are equal in that regard? And Ryu doesn't scar when not using Satsui no Hadou, because, well, he fights non-lethally. Duh.

2. Whether or not Ryu had been training with Oro for a while.

3. Ryu was stated to be able to effortlessly do so, effortlessly. And regardless, it is still a far greater speed feat than any of Terry's.

4. I am pretty sure it did, and Fuuma told me it did as well...And who cares how long he was there? I am not saying that he can breathe underwater, I am saying he is durable enough to take the pressure.

5. You were talking to me, which signifies you were grouping me in with the fanboys. Don't try to deny this.

6. How so? If someone were to block Superman's punches, should we assume they do not have superhuman strength? Gouki has superhuman strength and hits hard, and Ryu can block those punches, which requires strength.

7. It means neither have feats, although one of them had status, and Ryu actually does have feats like lifting boulders and dodging bullets, Hugo does not, why must he be assumed to have low durability? Answer this question.

8. ...How? I mean, sure, being a God Tier is nice, but doesn't mean he automatically should have a healing factor.

9. Wasn't it stated that Bison imbued him with a portion of it when he created them?

10. If it is PIS, it should be disreguarded, FACT.

11. He was fighting them, then Ryu comes along and does a strong move, ever thought he sustained some injuries in that fight?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Do Sagat and Geese have any durability feats, or are you just assuming that they are equal in that regard? And Ryu doesn't scar when not using Satsui no Hadou, because, well, he fights non-lethally. Duh.

2. Whether or not Ryu had been training with Oro for a while.

3. Ryu was stated to be able to effortlessly do so, effortlessly. And regardless, it is still a far greater speed feat than any of Terry's.

4. I am pretty sure it did, and Fuuma told me it did as well...And who cares how long he was there? I am not saying that he can breathe underwater, I am saying he is durable enough to take the pressure.

5. You were talking to me, which signifies you were grouping me in with the fanboys. Don't try to deny this.

6. How so? If someone were to block Superman's punches, should we assume they do not have superhuman strength? Gouki has superhuman strength and hits hard, and Ryu can block those punches, which requires strength.

7. It means neither have feats, although one of them had status, and Ryu actually does have feats like lifting boulders and dodging bullets, Hugo does not, why must he be assumed to have low durability? Answer this question.

8. ...How? I mean, sure, being a God Tier is nice, but doesn't mean he automatically should have a healing factor.

9. Wasn't it stated that Bison imbued him with a portion of it when he created them?

10. If it is PIS, it should be disreguarded, FACT.

11. He was fighting them, then Ryu comes along and does a strong move, ever thought he sustained some injuries in that fight?

There is no point in this

2. Despite the fact that Ryu's last stage is Ryu, then we see them both standing face to face, with Gouki complimenting Ryu and his fighting potential?

and we know akuma can pick up potential in people anyway. on top of that, i'm still not buying the whole "akuma was hurt"t thing.

And once again, Hugo is virtually featless, why assume he has weak durability?

.......because he's virtually featless 😐

4. Jack's are cannon fodder, the average everyday Jack is a bottom tier in Tekken.

well, the canon fodder in SFA3 turned around and shitstomped the godtier. that shows you what a badly written game SFA3 was.

Actually yeah, yeah it is a power feat for Terry if he did that.

so now we have TWO power feats for Terry Bogard 💃

5. That's stupid. If it is canon, it is official, I mean Link beating Ganondorf in every Zelda game is PIS, but in a vs. debate, PIS holds no water, so yes, PIS should be ignored.

remember, i have been saying it was PIS for a very long time. i'm using that to tell you that bison is a wimp. cuz aside from his PIS losses, he really hasn't done anything. it was ryu doing his usual hogan routine all over again.

7. Rose and Ryu.

what about 'em? 😕

1. Do Sagat and Geese have any durability feats, or are you just assuming that they are equal in that regard? And Ryu doesn't scar when not using Satsui no Hadou, because, well, he fights non-lethally. Duh.

no durability feats as far as i know. not that its the point at the moment anyway. so far nothing suggests that either is more durable than the other. so we can't say "geese is less durable" or viseversa cuz there is no way of proving it.
as for ryu, the only style of fighting he knows IS the non-lethal ansatsuken karate. no dice. oh and *cough* couldn't ko hugo with shinryuken *cough* 😄

2. Whether or not Ryu had been training with Oro for a while.

well, do the math. Ryu's ending has him catching leaves in a waterfall. he says he wants to find his answers. this ending happens after SF33S. next, we see him in Oro's ending in a totally different location (and probably south america since that's where Oro resides). seems like its been a while. and the way Oro was talking about Ryu also seems to suggest that its been some time now IMO.

(btw, to my knowledge that boulder ending for ryu has never been confirmed to be canon)

3. Ryu was stated to be able to effortlessly do so, effortlessly. And regardless, it is still a far greater speed feat than any of Terry's.

i read he could do it. don't know about effortlessly.
terry took on heavily guarded platoon of soldiers in kof2000 and was getting kicks out of it. on top of that he blurs out of vision and is legendary for "dizzying speed". bluring out of visio>dodging bullets (which ryu's never actually done btw)

4. I am pretty sure it did, and Fuuma told me it did as well...And who cares how long he was there? I am not saying that he can breathe underwater, I am saying he is durable enough to take the pressure.

do you have link? also 1000m aint THAT deep. you guys were saying shite like he is more durable than steel and that swords would bounce off his body 🙄

5. You were talking to me, which signifies you were grouping me in with the fanboys. Don't try to deny this.

i just did 😄

6. How so? If someone were to block Superman's punches, should we assume they do not have superhuman strength? Gouki has superhuman strength and hits hard, and Ryu can block those punches, which requires strength.

since i'm really tired right now, never mind.

7. It means neither have feats, although one of them had status, and Ryu actually does have feats like lifting boulders and dodging bullets, Hugo does not, why must he be assumed to have low durability? Answer this question.

because he has no feats. you just said it yourself (again btw)

8. ...How? I mean, sure, being a God Tier is nice, but doesn't mean he automatically should have a healing factor.

didnt say he does. i said he shouldn't be taking high damage in the first place. he's GODTIER, with infinte supply of power. that's what it means to be godtier. fact of the matter is, bison shouldve been smacking everyone around wihtout breaking a sweat because infinite supply would mean he doesnt get tired.

9. Wasn't it stated that Bison imbued him with a portion of it when he created them?

can't remember. that's why i'm asking you, foo 😠

10. If it is PIS, it should be disreguarded, FACT.

don't change the fact taht he ran away.

11. He was fighting them, then Ryu comes along and does a strong move, ever thought he sustained some injuries in that fight?

................😐

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
remember, i have been saying it was PIS for a very long time. i'm using that to tell you that bison is a wimp. cuz aside from his PIS losses, he really hasn't done anything. it was ryu doing his usual hogan routine all over again.
Routine? How many times has Ryu done this?
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Bison had JUST been fighting a team, it was a TEAM effort like it or not.
He tends to ignore things like this when they don't suit his arguments

Routine? How many times has Ryu done this?

is it bad memory or selective memory disorder, brain? alcoholic drinks are bad for long term memory and just being honest with ourselves counteracts selective memory disorder 😄

Ryu did it with Bison in SFA3
and we literally SEE HIM DO IT in SF4 anime trailer where badly beaten, nearly unconscious ryu suddenly gets up and starts fighting like he was never hurt i.e. hogan routine.
heck he did an evil variation in SF1. he was even on his knees and just suddenly flared up like Hogan does 😂

how many times has Terry done it? can you prove it? 😐

He tends to ignore things like this when they don't suit his arguments

lame accusations again? you need to find some better way of pulling my leg, bro 😂
i don't need to ignore something when it doesn't exist. Bison retreated from Ryu's shoryulegdrop. fact. he was NOT forced to retreat because of a combined effort.

~Sado

I'll try to explain it for you. (don't make me use the sock puppets 😄 ) Sado takes on P-Geyser & MOV @the same time. Then Sado retreats after a rough fight. Sado immediately runs right into a fight w/I-drop & gets punched in the face & passes out. Would you say I knocked you out ALL by myself? Or let's say we all take turns socking you. Would the guy who finally KOs you take full credit?

Didn't do HR w/Bison for reasons stated above. Didn't w/Akuma 'cuz Ryu didn't beat him. Didn't w/Sagat 'cuz as I've told you b4 Hogan routine didn't involve cheating. FAIL!

Originally posted by I-Drop
I'll try to explain it for you. (don't make me use the sock puppets 😄 ) Sado takes on P-Geyser & MOV @the same time.routine didn't involve cheating. FAIL!

Who gave you permission to use my name FOO! 😠