Revan Vs Starkiller (at his awesome prime)

Revan has the leg up here.

Galen is Darth Vader's apprentice. He is quite powerful in the force, and at lightsaber combat, but not good enough.

Revan however is not only quite powerful in the force, and exelent at lightsaber combat, but he also is an amazing stratigist, when even in a 1 on 1 force lightsaber duel, tips the scales in his favor.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
he has... um... the thought bomb... and... stuff. and... a lot of sith holocrons that give him cool stuff... ya. and a cooler outfit. Hes in a better game IMO.

Though I hate to cast a mark against a revan supporter, the thought bomb would be foolish to use in 1 on 1 combat. It can really only be used in the way Bane did.

Here's a list of Revan's abilities.

http://starwars.neoseeker.com/wiki/KotOR_Force_Powers

As for Starkiller

Lightning
Push
Grip
Repulse
Lightsaber throw
Lightning shield

So, there is no real question the winner is:

Originally posted by Kapton JAC
Revan has the leg up here.

Galen is Darth Vader's apprentice. He is quite powerful in the force, and at lightsaber combat, but not good enough.

Revan however is not only quite powerful in the force, and exelent at lightsaber combat, but he also is an amazing stratigist, when even in a 1 on 1 force lightsaber duel, tips the scales in his favor.

Though I hate to cast a mark against a revan supporter, the thought bomb would be foolish to use in 1 on 1 combat. It can really only be used in the way Bane did.

Here's a list of Revan's abilities.

http://starwars.neoseeker.com/wiki/KotOR_Force_Powers

As for Starkiller

Lightning
Push
Grip
Repulse
Lightsaber throw
Lightning shield

So, there is no real question the winner is:

Just how are you determing that Galen's abilities are not enough?

Revan never canonically performed all of of those abilities your link mentioned either.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Revan never canonically performed all of of those abilities your link mentioned either.

i agree. This is ridiculous the way that it is assumed that because the force power exists, that Revan had them all. They are CHOICES. Very logically, the entire game could be played without ONE force ability.

could be, but wasn't. you could also be a gay guy who fails at video games and get ownt in the first mission in tfu. That doesnt mean that starkiller is a gay weakling.

Revan has some good saber abilities, including jar kai, and his large collection of sith holocrons must mean that he knows alot of unique stuff, not that he only knows one force power. I mean, come on. TK and Lightning is pretty basic stuff, known to pretty much every sith adept in the galaxy. The question is, is the ability at which star killer showed them vamped up way past believability for game play mechanics?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
could be, but wasn't. you could also be a gay guy who fails at video games and get ownt in the first mission in tfu. That doesnt mean that starkiller is a gay weakling.

Revan has some good saber abilities, including jar kai, and his large collection of sith holocrons must mean that he knows alot of unique stuff, not that he only knows one force power. I mean, come on. TK and Lightning is pretty basic stuff, known to pretty much every sith adept in the galaxy. The question is, is the ability at which star killer showed them vamped up way past believability for game play mechanics?

i agree with your first paragraph, and i agree with most of the whole post. My point is this: there is almost no single ability that you can look at Revan and say "he was exceptional at this" because you just don't know. There is also no less-common ability that is featured in KOTOR, that you can point out for sure that Revan knew.

agreed. You can't pick out one of his powers and say "OMG, he is the pwnzrz @ that." But it is relatively safe to assume that somewhere along the way to ultimate sith lord of the galaxy, all the way collecting holocrons from the dead sith, he learned a few more tricks other than force lightning and push, and after that, along the way from soldier to jedi savior of the galaxy he learned some extra powers. Its a moot point to say that he could have only known one power because thats the way you could have played the game. No. Lets not go there.

Galen has way more raw power than Revan. Revan may have knew more unique force techniques, but most wouldn't help him in a fight. The thought bomb for example required more than one sith lord, and took a lot of time and concentration. So Galen wins this.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So Revan wins this.

Oh i meant Galen wins this.

Stupid me!!

I fixed it though.

Revan's knowledge and mastery of the Force definitely eclipses that of Galen, but the reverse is probably true of their respective raw power. If we knew more about Revan perhaps a decision could be made, but he's too much of an unknown at the moment.

It'd be awsesome if Revan could just be put on hold as a reference and gauge of power until more is told about him.

Originally posted by truejedi
i agree with your first paragraph, and i agree with most of the whole post. My point is this: there is almost no single ability that you can look at Revan and say "he was exceptional at this" because you just don't know. There is also no less-common ability that is featured in KOTOR, that you can point out for sure that Revan knew.

About his force reserves we know that Vrook said something like "the force flows through you as we have never seen before", something like this, and adjunta pall was actually blinded by the sheer power from revan. That's something too I say.

Originally posted by Darth Angel
About his force reserves we know that Vrook said something like "the force flows through you as we have never seen before", something like this, and adjunta pall was actually blinded by the sheer power from revan. That's something too I say.

Well, I could contest some of these names, but I won't since I never said revan was the best, in fact if you go back and read my post you notice I said that I think galen's force reserves were greater then revan's ones.

Originally posted by Darth Angel
Well, I could contest some of these names, but I won't since I never said revan was the best, in fact if you go back and read my post you notice I said that I think galen's force reserves were greater then revan's ones.

I wish that you would. I'm curious to know which ones you think don't make the cut.

Dooku, Gethzerion, and Mace, for starters.

mace doesnt win in force mastery, but if sabers count... oh he pwnz revan.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
mace doesnt win in force mastery, but if sabers count... oh he pwnz revan.

Darth Angel brought up Revan's sheer power with the Force. TG listed names. I assumed he was referring to their power in the Force. And Mace is good there. Just, not Revanesque in my opinion.