Originally posted by The Great GalenI have seen the Surfer fly faster than Prime. Surfer can catch someone going at the speed of light.
I think it was stated in minutes, but regardless its still beyond FTL speeds. Besides why does ir matter if he couldnt tag prime...SMP>>>SS so its mutable. Still waiting a combat scan.
Why would I show you a combat scan when you havent posted anything showing Superman fighting anywhere past the speed of sound.
Originally posted by AllanklesScans?
The round trip with Saturn was mentioned as seconds, it was JLA 52 0R 51. His trips across 20 galaxies (Rao is at least 20 galaxies away) have been described as taking hours for him.Right!! Despite feats indicating he's moved well above your 100x light speed Glads example.
You havent even figured out how fast 100 times the speed of light is. You just throw out feats that for all I know you made up.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Scans?You havent even figured out how fast 100 times the speed of light is. You just throw out feats that for all I know you made up.
Ha! Saturn to the sun is about 30 light minutes (you can wiki it) and I gave you a reference JLA 51 52. He made a round trip in seconds this puts his speed at over 1000 times the speed of light.
I find it funny how Superman is so slow that you have to do the math of how fast you would really think he is.
SS is so fast Marvel actually post his speed and shows how fast he is going.
People keep saying Superman went over the speed of light by so much. Can some one even show me a scan of Superman going light speed? From what I see its assumptions.
Originally posted by kakuzu
I find it funny how Superman is so slow that you have to do the math of how fast you would really think he is.SS is so fast Marvel actually post his speed and shows how fast he is going.
People keep saying Superman went over the speed of light by so much. Can some one even show me a scan of Superman going light speed? From what I see its assumptions.
That's why we have mathematics. Superman has for instance escaped black holes which need ftl speeds to escape. We also have veritable facts on the distance between planetoids, there's no assuming on my part. We have evidence on the distance between our galaxy and the nearest ones, given that places like Oa and Rao are several galaxies away and given that Rao is at least 20 galaxies away, we know that Supes is easily surpassing the speed of light.
Originally posted by kakuzu
SS is so fast Marvel actually post his speed and shows how fast he is going.
That's just narrative license it has nothing to do with SS's speed specifically. We know Supes goes FTL, he has stated he moves FTL and has deliberately propelled himself at FTL given certain circumstances, narrators don't have redundantly mention he's going FTL when he is traversing galaxies on his own power and doing it hours or minutes. If you know the relative distances between galaxies you'd know such speed is well over thousands of times light speed.
EDIT: Now if SS has better travel feats that's all well and good, but travel speed doesn't translate to combat speed. We know this because none of these chracters have actually fought another character at light speed and because (especially for Superman) he is mostly fighting around planets and he consciously avoids approaching ftl speeds because of the damage he'd cause, he's stated this before, he even slows down further in populated regions.
Okay but I can post pictures of SS fighting using speed and also flying use of course speed.
You have to assume how fast Superman is going. That doesn't count. Its either you post a scan that clearly states he is goign 100 times the speed of light or you don't. I don't want to see you or others try to use mathematics for something like this.
It would be okay if you tried math in this. If you tried only math on Supermans side and say he would even stand a chance against SS then thats just biased.
So please show me proof. No more assumptions. If you keep assuming I shall assume Wolverine can lift well over 100 tons because he fought Hulk and I shall assume Wolverine can fire powerful blast because he stood up to Thanos and Thor.
Originally posted by Allankles
That's just narrative license it has nothing to do with SS's speed specifically. We know Supes goes FTL, he has stated he moves FTL and has deliberately propelled himself at FTL given certain circumstances, narrators don't have redundantly mention he's going FTL when he is traversing galaxies on his own power and doing it hours or minutes. If you know the relative distances between galaxies you'd know such speed is well over thousands of times light speed.EDIT: Now if SS has better travel feats that's all well and good, but travel speed doesn't translate to combat speed. We know this because none of these chracters have actually fought another character at light speed and because (especially for Superman) he is mostly fighting around planets and he consciously avoids approaching ftl speeds because of the damage he'd cause, he's stated this before, he even slows down further in populated regions.
I agree, but some posters are dubiously trying to pass off sues fighting SS at light speed as a viable tactic without providng any useful evidence to support it.
Originally posted by kakuzuSo please show me proof. No more assumptions. If you keep assuming I shall assume Wolverine can lift well over 100 tons because he fought Hulk and I shall assume Wolverine can fire powerful blast because he stood up to Thanos and Thor.
Those are not the same thing fighting has nothing to do with the specific strength of those characters. I don't have to be stronger or similar in strength with you to fight you.
Distance and time on the other hand are definitive measures (not assumptions), markers to make unbiased calculations. There's no assuming on my part, narrative license here does not eliminate the cold, hard unbiased evidence which - through the unbiased practice of mathematics - demonstrates that Supes has traveled faster than 100x ftl.
Also this has nothing to do with SS or the fight. I was bringing up evidence of Superman evidently moving faster than Glads. And I already gave you a reference JLA 51, i believe.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
I agree, but some posters are dubiously trying to pass off sues fighting SS at light speed as a viable tactic without providng any useful evidence to support it.
I do believe Supes has better examples of using speed against characters in combat, but I don't believe speed will be a bg factor against Exiles Surfer who seems to have some ruthlessness about him. Regular Surfer would probably be more vulnerable in close quarters against Supes but this Surfer seems to have the wherewithal to handle such a situation better. Should be a good fight, but Surfer is such an ambiguous character with the varied effects of his energy attacks.
Originally posted by Allankles
Those are not the same thing fighting has nothing to do with the specific strength of those characters. I don't have to be stronger or similar in strength with you to fight you.Distance and time on the other hand are definitive measures (not assumptions), markers to make unbiased calculations. There's no assuming on my part, narrative license here does not eliminate the cold, hard unbiased evidence which - through the unbiased practice of mathematics - demonstrates that Supes has traveled faster than 100x ftl.
Also this has nothing to do with SS or the fight. I was bringing up evidence of Superman evidently moving faster than Glads. And I already gave you a reference JLA 51, i believe.
Supes has never been counted down to move Faster then Glads. These were math problems done by the fans. There is another picture of Superman flying to Saturan and back to earth. Some people say he flew 20 times the speed of light in that picture.
Guess what? Superman didn't even fly to Saturan he flew to one of its suns. DC didn't even remark which sun it was. To just assume is not good enough. That issue number is good, however saying he flew 100 times the speed of light based on what you and some others think isn't enough as to compared to Gladiator who was said to fly 100 times the speed of light by Earths smartest man.
I'm not saying Superman can't fly light speeds no. I'm saying if Surfer Throws a punch, then Superman won't dodge at light speeds. If thats the case he would move a few miles every time he dodges something because he can't go light speed in just a few feet.
Originally posted by AllanklesHow fast is 100 times the speed of light?
Ha! Saturn to the sun is about 30 light minutes (you can wiki it) and I gave you a reference JLA 51 52. He made a round trip in seconds this puts his speed at over 1000 times the speed of light.
You still didnt answer my question.
Originally posted by kakuzu
I find it funny how Superman is so slow that you have to do the math of how fast you would really think he is.SS is so fast Marvel actually post his speed and shows how fast he is going.
People keep saying Superman went over the speed of light by so much. Can some one even show me a scan of Superman going light speed? From what I see its assumptions.
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