Silver Surfer(exiles) vs. Trinity Superman

Originally posted by kakuzu
Supes has never been counted down to move Faster then Glads. These were math problems done by the fans. There is another picture of Superman flying to Saturan and back to earth. Some people say he flew 20 times the speed of light in that picture.

Guess what? Superman didn't even fly to Saturan he flew to one of its suns. DC didn't even remark which sun it was. To just assume is not good enough. That issue number is good, however saying he flew 100 times the speed of light based on what you and some others think isn't enough as to compared to Gladiator who was said to fly 100 times the speed of light by Earths smartest man.

I'm not saying Superman can't fly light speeds no. I'm saying if Surfer Throws a punch, then Superman won't dodge at light speeds. If thats the case he would move a few miles every time he dodges something because he can't go light speed in just a few feet.

So basically to sum it up"Nah I dont wanna believe it so I wont".

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So basically to sum it up"Nah I dont wanna believe it so I wont".

Stupid semi-irrelevant question: Is Exiles Surfer only in issues 87 and 88, or are there more issues that I missed?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Stupid semi-irrelevant question: Is Exiles Surfer only in issues 87 and 88, or are there more issues that I missed?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So now SS is faster then prime?

Originally posted by kakuzu
Supes has never been counted down to move Faster then Glads. These were math problems done by the fans.
Guess what? Superman didn't even fly to Saturan he flew to one of its suns. DC didn't even remark which sun it was. To just assume is not good enough. That issue number is good, however saying he flew 100 times the speed of light based on what you and some others think isn't enough as to compared to Gladiator who was said to fly 100 times the speed of light by Earths smartest man.

All you're peddling is your opinion the System Sol has one sun (why are talking about Saturn's sun?), Superman did a round trip from the Saturn to the Sun in seconds that puts his speed well over 100x times the speed of light.

His maximum speed isn't known, but his best feats can be calculated. I've seen him fly through the plane of the Source at light speed, race with characters at 99% light speed, but he has also exceeded those speeds - like in JLA 51 (where he exceeded Glads top speed).

His most impressive travel feats actually put his speed well above 100X light speed. You going : "I know his fast but, he isn't really 100 x lightspeed" doesn't really affect the fact that he's exceeded 100x light speed. All it means is that he has gone faster than Glads top speed.

As far as the fight with SS goes, this is irrelevant, I actually don't really care about who will take this, SS has such an ambiguous power set and very many conflicting displays that I'm not willing to delve into an argument for or against. Again it is difficult to gauge these energy characters sometimes, look at his fight with Ravenous difficult to gauge what each blast is supposed to achieve.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you read the issues then you could tell thats it. He dies.

👆 I knew he died. But it was months ago and my memory is bad. I wasn't sure if he was mentioned or seen prior to #87 or what.

This is what would happen to Sups against Exiles Surfer:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Exiles0872006Team-DCP09.jpg

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
This is what would happen to Sups against Exiles Surfer:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Exiles0872006Team-DCP09.jpg

Originally posted by Allankles

As far as the fight with SS goes, this is irrelevant, I actually don't really care about who will take this, SS has such an ambiguous power set and very many conflicting displays that I'm not willing to delve into an argument for or against. Again it is difficult to gauge these energy characters sometimes, look at his fight with Ravenous difficult to gauge what each blast is supposed to achieve.

Nah SS powerset is not ambiguous, its quite clear actually. What was so ambiguous in his fight versus ravenous? He was holding back immensely and his blasts still destroyed the planet.

Originally posted by Allankles
His maximum speed isn't known, but his best feats can be calculated. , but he has also exceeded those speeds -

I've seen him fly through the plane of the Source at light speed

race with characters at 99% light speed

like in JLA 51 (where he exceeded Glads top speed).

again nothing concret while i have shown concrete evidence showing that Superman can't exceed light under normal conditions.

Only time superman said he couldn't go lightspeed was back in 2000ish before he started breaking light again please don't bring those moronic scans up again he has since been repowered to his beyond lightspeed planet destroying power ect levels.

Originally posted by kgkg
His maximum speed is below light speed under normal condition stated by superman himself

fly through place at light speed? you mean with flash amping him?

😂 when? most of his races with flash are hardly anywhere near light speed , flash is always holding back. You could see this because they tell you how fast they are going and it is not light speed

And Superman has stated he can go FTL. Also he's escaped black holes and noted that he needed to move FTL to do so.

:LOL: It was stated after he'd raced Impulse and he stated he moved at lightspeed.

Originally posted by kgkg
I have JLA it does not indicate anything about how fast superman was moving or how much time it took him.

Which JLA? He did a round trip between Saturn and the Sun in a few seconds, that puts his speed well over 1000+ x speed of light. Not to mention his traversed galaxies under his own power and has categorically stated he can travel the universe unaided, that means he can travel FTL.

What Superman are you talking about? The guy is a galaxy traveler now as he has been for a large part of his history. He travels at warp speeds, that's on panel fact.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Nah SS powerset is not ambiguous, its quite clear actually. What was so ambiguous in his fight versus ravenous? He was holding back immensely and his blasts still destroyed the planet.

You don't sometimes find Surfers battles with top tiers awkward? His fight with Ravenous was a bit protracted; it was just difficult to gauge what effect each energy attack was supposed have. Even the specific nature of the energy attacks are unknown, do they posses great heat like hv? Are they transmuting matter?

To me his power set is fairly ambiguous especially as it concerns his energetic attacks . I rarely comment on Surfer threads because of this. I mostly just wanted to address the whole Glads moving 100x light speed comments, by pointing out that Supes has since topped those speeds. And really it has nothing to do with a fight with SS since neither one will be moving at ftl in a fight.

Originally posted by Allankles
You don't sometimes find Surfers battles with top tiers awkward? His fight with Ravenous was a bit protracted; it was just difficult to gauge what effect each energy attack was supposed have. Even the specific nature of the energy attacks are unknown, do they posses great heat like hv? Are they transmuting matter?

To me his power set is fairly ambiguous especially as it concerns his energetic attacks . I rarely comment on Surfer threads because of this. I mostly just wanted to address the whole Glads moving 100x light speed comments, by pointing out that Supes has since topped those speeds. And really it has nothing to do with a fight with SS since neither one will be moving at ftl in a fight.

All i find awkward is surfer holding back too much and allowing some top tiers to think they have a fighting chance.
The surfer can and does change the composition of his blasts depending on the opponent he is fighting. Sometimes they are just concussive force blasts other times disintegration blasts and at times molecular transmutation beams( not that he actually needs to blast to transmute matter). He even has blasts that manipulate energy and electrical frequencies like what he used against wonderman and vision. Its not ambiguous, he just has a very diverse range of blasts which he uses depending on his opponent or what he hopes to achieve.

Against ravenous i think he was just using his regular force blasts as no other indication was given

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Only time superman said he couldn't go lightspeed was back in 2000ish before he started breaking light again please don't bring those moronic scans up again he has since been repowered to his beyond lightspeed planet destroying power ect levels.

Like i said people say he went from this place to this place in matter of sec/min again show me scans or give me issue number of the speed he is going at. You know superman has used tubes , and used transportation for such things 🙂

unless you have a issue where he does break light speed under his own power please do show scans.

Not just your calculation or you estimation of how long it took him to get to said destinations.

Originally posted by Allankles

And Superman has stated he can go FTL. Also he's escaped black holes and noted that he needed to move FTL to do so.

Like I told some of you here he escaped this worm hole my using it has a speed booster I can show you scans if you don't believe me but he did not do it under his own power. He used the wormhole as a way to gain speed to break light speed to escape.

[QUOTE]:LOL: It was stated after he'd raced Impulse and he stated he moved at lightspeed.

Which JLA? He did a round trip between Saturn and the Sun in a few seconds, that puts his speed well over 1000+ x speed of light. Not to mention his traversed galaxies under his own power and has categorically stated he can travel the universe unaided, that means he can travel FTL.

Even if he(which he did not)your still calculating his speed

What Superman are you talking about? The guy is a galaxy traveler now as he has been for a large part of his history. He travels at warp speeds, that's on panel fact.

Originally posted by Allankles
And Superman has stated he can go FTL. Also he's escaped black holes and noted that he needed to move FTL to do so.

:LOL: It was stated after he'd raced Impulse and he stated he moved at lightspeed.

Which JLA? He did a round trip between Saturn and the Sun in a few seconds, that puts his speed well over 1000+ x speed of light. Not to mention his traversed galaxies under his own power and has categorically stated he can travel the universe unaided, that means he can travel FTL.

What Superman are you talking about? The guy is a galaxy traveler now as he has been for a large part of his history. He travels at warp speeds, that's on panel fact.

Flying from the earth to the sun less then 2 mins puts him as a FTL character, and the other situations you have cited which for some reason people here refuse to believe. Narrative spoon feeding isn't always needed especially when the feat speaks for itself.

Originally posted by kgkg
His maximum speed is below light speed under normal condition stated by superman himself

fly through place at light speed? you mean with flash amping him?

😂 when? most of his races with flash are hardly anywhere near light speed , flash is always holding back. You could see this because they tell you how fast they are going and it is not light speed

I have JLA it does not indicate anything about how fast superman was moving or how much time it took him.

again nothing concret while i have shown concrete evidence showing that Superman can't exceed light under normal conditions.

Bull crap. Do you not realize how vast space is? And the speed needed to traverse it? The nearest star to our planet(Proxima Centauri) is over 4 light years away. So the fact that he went to a completely different Galaxy and it didn't take him a year proves beyond all doubt that he was moving thousands of times light speed. The closest galaxy to our Milky Way is over 40,000 light years ways.

Sorry, it is only 25,000 light years away. Regardless, it still shows that superman is easily a 1,000x lightspeeder.