Well first off water has three different states that all benders are able to use unlike the specialty bloodbending. A liquid attack can transform into defense or a gaseous get away if necessary. In the solid form the ice can be morphed into various useful items with definite shape. You can't say any other benders can do the same except for an earth bender who can create shelter.
Notice i didn't mention sanitary uses because water is essential for all but unlike the other benders they have healing powers which can serve as a quite useful technique for advanced restoration.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxCloudbending: In, "The Fortuneteller", it's shown that (because clouds are made with water and air), a skilled Waterbender or Airbender can manipulate them easily to create various shapes (used in that instance to provide a message to nearby villagers). It was later used as a defense by Aang and his friends to disguise their flights on Appa while moving about the Fire Nation. It is unknown if a Waterbender can perform this technique without an Airbender and vice versa.
Name one time water vapor has ever been used.The closest we have seen to water vapor was Katara's frost breath.
Condensation: Not only can skilled Waterbenders condense clouds into a usable source of water ("The Desert"😉, but they also can condense invisible water vapor right out of the air ("The Puppetmaster"😉. Katara made good use of this technique during her fight with Hama, being able to use the moisture from the air to attack her from both sides at once, making her spin and fall to the ground.
Originally posted by BecciJust cuz they didnt show is doesnt mean you cant do it. The waterbenders can heat up the water with waterbending without fire. Well he is Prince Zuko.. lol
I have not seen any waterbender boil water. Where did this happen?And Zuko was not weak at the north pole. You need to consider that he swimmed trough icy water, fought Katara during full moon and walked trough massive wastes of snow. Anything other than a firebender would have been dead a long time ago.
Originally posted by MizuRyu
Condensation: Not only can skilled Waterbenders condense clouds into a usable source of water ("The Desert"😉, but they also can condense invisible water vapor right out of the air ("The Puppetmaster"😉. Katara made good use of this technique during her fight with Hama, being able to use the moisture from the air to attack her from both sides at once, making her spin and fall to the ground.
When Katara fought Hama, it was Full Moon. It is an incredibly rare occassion and should not be in the evaluation of which element is the best. Just like how firebending should not use feats used during Sozin's Comet.
Originally posted by MizuRyu
Just cuz they didnt show is doesnt mean you cant do it. The waterbenders can heat up the water with waterbending without fire. Well he is Prince Zuko.. lol
Just because they did not show it, gives me the right to question the capability to do it. I have never seen a waterbender heat up water. Nothing I can remember at the moment at least. So either you bring up some slight proof that this is possible, or you drop the point.
Innocent until proven guilty logic. If you can not prove the capability, then for now, there is no such thing.
Originally posted by TKM
Well first off water has three different states that all benders are able to use unlike the specialty bloodbending. A liquid attack can transform into defense or a gaseous get away if necessary. In the solid form the ice can be morphed into various useful items with definite shape. You can't say any other benders can do the same except for an earth bender who can create shelter.Notice i didn't mention sanitary uses because water is essential for all but unlike the other benders they have healing powers which can serve as a quite useful technique for advanced restoration.
- Funny. All the examples you brought up in the first paragraph I can bring up firebending examples for.
- Waterbending healing is very basic healing. Not 'advanced restoration'. Katara could only go advanced with the enhanced water from the north pole, so unless all of a sudden all waterbenders have that water, going advanced is no option for being the 'best' element.
Originally posted by BecciOkay when this was shown it was Daylight.
When Katara fought Hama, it was Full Moon. It is an incredibly rare occassion and should not be in the evaluation of which element is the best. Just like how firebending should not use feats used during Sozin's Comet
Originally posted by BecciWTF are you talking about? Water doesnt need the moon all the time. And if waterbenders were taken off the earth then everything would be out of balance and the Avatar even said that. So sorry you cant just take away an element cuz its "not much to the world."
Without the full moon, a water bender is not much to the world.
Originally posted by MizuRyu
WTF are you talking about? Water doesnt need the moon all the time. And if waterbenders were taken off the earth then everything would be out of balance and the Avatar even said that. So sorry you cant just take away an element cuz its "not much to the world."
Massive missinterpretion.
She means that without the full moon waterbending is limited compared to other benders.
But seriously, name a single other element you actually have to haul around to use most of the time.
If there is no available water, most waterbenders are screwed.
There is usually Earth and air available, and a Firebender should always be able to bend fire(except on really rare occurences like when Zuko lost his "inner fire"😉.
Originally posted by Becci
- Funny. All the examples you brought up in the first paragraph I can bring up firebending examples for.- Waterbending healing is very basic healing. Not 'advanced restoration'. Katara could only go advanced with the enhanced water from the north pole, so unless all of a sudden all waterbenders have that water, going advanced is no option for being the 'best' element.
Well then do it. Give me some examples that counter each of the ones I brought up in the first paragraph. I'm curious, I really want to know.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
She means that without the full moon waterbending is limited compared to other benders.But seriously, name a single other element you actually have to haul around to use most of the time.
If there is no available water, most waterbenders are screwed.
There is usually Earth and air available, and a Firebender should always be able to bend fire(except on really rare occurences like when Zuko lost his "inner fire"😉.
How are they limited without the full moon? The moon is an advantage just because it's out at night. They're bending advances above it's regular limits when the moon is full. Unlike the sun which is always full the fire benders have to wait years for a comet to have advanced abilities which is a great deal longer than a waterbender has to wait for a full moon to enable them to bloodbend.
Originally posted by TKM
Well then do it. Give me some examples that counter each of the ones I brought up in the first paragraph. I'm curious, I really want to know.
Originally posted by TKM
Well first off water has three different states that all benders are able to use unlike the specialty bloodbending. A liquid attack can transform into defense or a gaseous get away if necessary. In the solid form the ice can be morphed into various useful items with definite shape. You can't say any other benders can do the same except for an earth bender who can create shelter.
The obvious exception is the blood bending:
- Azula created a gaseous curtain, permiting an escape.
- Firebenders has at more than one occasions formed fire into a shield, having successfully blocked water, air, fire and earthbending.
- Zuko used firebending to form daggers (items) with which he fought Azula, proving that fire can be held at a constant solid shape.
Originally posted by TKM
How are they limited without the full moon? The moon is an advantage just because it's out at night. They're bending advances above it's regular limits when the moon is full. Unlike the sun which is always full the fire benders have to wait years for a comet to have advanced abilities which is a great deal longer than a waterbender has to wait for a full moon to enable them to bloodbend.
Only two waterbenders has even mastered bloodbending. The point is not how long one has to wait for an enhancement, but that they have to wait. While the comet pass more rarely than the full moon, they are both periods of waiting. Are the benders going to hide in isolation until a full moon rises or a comet passes? You have to consider that probably 99/100 fights take place without a full moon. Probably 90/100 fights take place during daytime since people have a tendency of sleeping during the night.
Every bending art is limited to certain degrees. While a waterbender can not achieve full efficiency without full moon and not usable without water, a firebender can not achieve full efficiency without daylight. An earthbender can not reach complete efficiency without sufficient amounts of earth, much like how an airbender is limited at areas with tight airsupply such as heated areas, high places, deep underground and narrow passages.
Every bending art has flaws. Waterbending require water, which is the greatest of flaws among all bending arts. Fire and earth can both disable water completely. This is seen during Aang's early visits to the earth kingdom, and the obvious vaporizing by fire.
Originally posted by Becci
Just because they did not show it, gives me the right to question the capability to do it. I have never seen a waterbender heat up water. Nothing I can remember at the moment at least. So either you bring up some slight proof that this is possible, or you drop the point.Innocent until proven guilty logic. If you can not prove the capability, then for now, there is no such thing.
Waterbenders also possessive thermokinetic abilities because in order to freeze water the temperature goes down and in order to melt the ice the temperature goes up and to turn to a mist or water vapor the temperature goes up even more.
So you've seen it you just didn't know it.
Originally posted by Becci
Every bending art has flaws. Waterbending require water, which is the greatest of flaws among all bending arts. Fire and earth can both disable water completely. This is seen during Aang's early visits to the earth kingdom, and the obvious vaporizing by fire.
Anything that contains water can be bent. Katara bent the perfume, clouds can be condense to make it rain, and plants are everywhere and contain water. So if it came down to it a waterbender can use these other maybe not so obvious techniques in case a good source of water is not avaliable.
With all the benders and their weaknesses it really depends on the bender's will and level of mastery to determine if they can over power their opponent or not.
Originally posted by TKMLies.
How are they limited without the full moon? The moon is an advantage just because it's out at night. They're bending advances above it's regular limits when the moon is full. Unlike the sun which is always full the fire benders have to wait years for a comet to have advanced abilities which is a great deal longer than a waterbender has to wait for a full moon to enable them to bloodbend.
The effect of the full moon is equivelant to the effect of the sun for Firebenders.
Sozin's Comet amped Firebending 100 fold, the average Firebender was capable of doing master levels of Firebending destruction with a casual fire blast, Sozin's Comet is honestly an unfair amp, no one short of an Avatar can fvck with a Firebending Master amped by Sozin's Comet.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Lies.The effect of the full moon is equivelant to the effect of the sun for Firebenders.
Sozin's Comet amped Firebending 100 fold, the average Firebender was capable of doing master levels of Firebending destruction with a casual fire blast, Sozin's Comet is honestly an unfair amp, no one short of an Avatar can fvck with a Firebending Master amped by Sozin's Comet.
Yeah sure, but still against a firebender when the moon is out they clearly have the advantage. When it's full, that advances their abilities against a firebender even more.
