Originally posted by MizuRyu
I wasnt talking to you i was talking to leonheartmm.. so wtf are you ranting about?
You are not aware that you did quote me when you said what you did and gave absolutely no implication that leonheartmm was the central subject of discussion? It is impossible for me to know what you mean, and I can only interpret it as if you were talking to me since you quoted me and involved nothing else in the post to imply a different intent. Had you mentioned leonheartmm or not quoted me, I would have looked at your post differently.
Originally posted by BecciWhat? blowup
You are not aware that you did quote me when you said what you did and gave absolutely no implication that leonheartmm was the central subject of discussion? It is impossible for me to know what you mean, and I can only interpret it as if you were talking to me since you quoted me and involved nothing else in the post to imply a different intent. Had you mentioned leonheartmm or not quoted me, I would have looked at your post differently.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixThat guy would be me... lol And I like water cuz its like i am as well. I am adaptive and I can just go with what comes and i can deal with it. I am passive aggressive and easy to get along with and helpful......(i say that is the most non-gayest way ever...shock)
I chose air because wind/air is the element that I define myself with even though I'm big as an ox. It's always been a cool element to me. Like the above poster said, technically you should be able to drain the oxygen out of people granted that it is an evil move.
"Technically" does not mean "Factually". It is true that the airbender can draw air to herself, just like how firebenders can absorb fire and earthbenders can compress earth. However, given the extreme level of oxygen in air, it is unlikely that anyone less than the Avatar could preform such a feat in an open area. Even if this feat was preformable, you would not drop down and die instantly. This feat would also require a constant absorption from the airbenders side, given the more or less unlimited supply of air that exist.
Not to mention that earthbenders could escape this scenario with ease. Fire does not function without oxygen, but earthbending does. An earthbender would just go below ground and appear elsewhere, or perhaps even remain underground and attack the opponent from there. Besides, fire uses oxygen, so a firebender could just draw the oxygen from an area as well by bending at extreme rate if you want to speculate things like that in theory. An earthbender could just create a cage without walls and holes and slowly compress it to the point of no oxygen. In fact, the only bender that can not do this in theory is the waterbender.
I can not see how you consider waterbending the best art, since earth and fire both beats water. At least if the earthbender or firebendeer is above average talented with the art. There are a lot of flaws with waterbending. Much more flaws than fire and earth has.
I do not think an element should be determined 'best' or 'worse' by what their best offensive and defensive feats are, but also by what flaws they have. If an element has a lot of flaws, it should not deserve the 'best' title. Especially not an element as limited as water.
Originally posted by BecciWater puts out fires and Cuts through earth Hamma gathered the water in the flowers and cut through a bolder like butter. So what are you talking about? Katara defeated Azula with water, she froze the water around her and rendered her lighting useless with chaining her. and earth is a strong element but water erodes earth everywhere. I think your wrong on that one my friend. and like I said water really isnt that limited as you think. You fight a water bender in a forest... there are trees and grass with tons of water in them. A real waterbender master can take it from the trees and grass and use it. They can also change the weather to make it rain. making it really hard to fight a waterbender after this is achieved. Source: Some of the standard Waterbending weaknesses can be overcome by skilled Waterbending masters. In environments without water, a master can pull water particles out of clouds or air, and even out of living organisms such as plants and trees. The drawback is that if water is removed from a living organism, it will wither and die. Water can also be obtained from a master's own bodies if need be, from sweat or saliva.
"Technically" does not mean "Factually". It is true that the airbender can draw air to herself, just like how firebenders can absorb fire and earthbenders can compress earth. However, given the extreme level of oxygen in air, it is unlikely that anyone less than the Avatar could preform such a feat in an open area. Even if this feat was preformable, you would not drop down and die instantly. This feat would also require a constant absorption from the airbenders side, given the more or less unlimited supply of air that exist.Not to mention that earthbenders could escape this scenario with ease. Fire does not function without oxygen, but earthbending does. An earthbender would just go below ground and appear elsewhere, or perhaps even remain underground and attack the opponent from there. Besides, fire uses oxygen, so a firebender could just draw the oxygen from an area as well by bending at extreme rate if you want to speculate things like that in theory. An earthbender could just create a cage without walls and holes and slowly compress it to the point of no oxygen. In fact, the only bender that can not do this in theory is the waterbender.
I can not see how you consider waterbending the best art, since earth and fire both beats water. At least if the earthbender or firebendeer is above average talented with the art. There are a lot of flaws with waterbending. Much more flaws than fire and earth has.
I do not think an element should be determined 'best' or 'worse' by what their best offensive and defensive feats are, but also by what flaws they have. If an element has a lot of flaws, it should not deserve the 'best' title. Especially not an element as limited as water.
Waterbending weaknesses
- Water is limited by the limited supply
- Water in contact with earth turns into mud
- Water in contact with fire vaporizes
- Water in contact with air budges
- Water is weakened during heat
- Water is only brought to full efficiency during night (and full moon)
- Water is requireing movement and and gestures to be bent
- Water is only efficient in certain areas
- Water is frail even while being solid
I can think of more if you want.
Originally posted by MizuRyu
Water puts out fires and Cuts through earth Hamma gathered the water in the flowers and cut through a bolder like butter. So what are you talking about? Katara defeated Azula with water, she froze the water around her and rendered her lighting useless with chaining her. and earth is a strong element but water erodes earth everywhere. I think your wrong on that one my friend. and like I said water really isnt that limited as you think. You fight a water bender in a forest... there are trees and grass with tons of water in them. A real waterbender master can take it from the trees and grass and use it. They can also change the weather to make it rain. making it really hard to fight a waterbender after this is achieved. Source: Some of the standard Waterbending weaknesses can be overcome by skilled Waterbending masters. In environments without water, a master can pull water particles out of clouds or air, and even out of living organisms such as plants and trees. The drawback is that if water is removed from a living organism, it will wither and die. Water can also be obtained from a master's own bodies if need be, from sweat or saliva.
In matter of fact, you could be little more wrong. Water indeed puts out fire, but what then? The water vaporizes and the waterbender loses some of her 'ammo', while the firebender can just keep on producing. Fire can also kill grass, trees, flowers and such water providing sources. This can be done to massive areas in very short amounts of time and once the waterbender has spent what little water she has, her life is running out roughly as quickly as her water against a firebender.
Well sure, Hamma could cut trough a boulder like it was butter, but this boulder was not being earthbent. An earthbender can provide a far larger obstacle than some rock and can close in on the advesary from more than one angle at the time. Sure, a waterbender can do so as well, IF the area on which they fight has such access points. We already know that water in contact with earth turns into mud and that ice is frail. It is also not strong enough to penetrate constantly onrushing walls from all directions. It most certainly lack the requirements to pursue an earthbender that has gone below ground.
For now, those points will have to do. If you want more views on how fire and earth surpass water, I am more than willing enough to help you out.
Oh and about your final point in your post: Do you expect our beloved waterbenders in question to start jogging at place like Katara to create sweat when they are out of water? Or start spitting wildly in their hands? Because a pinch of spit is nothing more than perhaps one or two spikes.
Originally posted by Avatar KurukWater does put out fires. But a flames evaporate water, and try as hard as you can, you could never bring up a time water has put out a blue flame, which Azula uses. Cuts through Earth? True, but that really depends on the Earth. Not all Earth is so easily cut. And erosion...Is not usually very fast. Katara defeated Azula by outsmarting her, which was not hard at the time, Azula at the time was mentally very unstable and not thinking clearly, and had just got done fighting a losing battle with Zuko, she was visibly very tired from it. Also, it was a sneak attack, Azula could not see the water.
Water puts out fires and Cuts through earth Hamma gathered the water in the flowers and cut through a bolder like butter. So what are you talking about? Katara defeated Azula with water, she froze the water around her and rendered her lighting useless with chaining her. and earth is a strong element but water erodes earth everywhere. I think your wrong on that one my friend. and like I said water really isnt that limited as you think. You fight a water bender in a forest... there are trees and grass with tons of water in them. A real waterbender master can take it from the trees and grass and use it. They can also change the weather to make it rain. making it really hard to fight a waterbender after this is achieved. Source: Some of the standard Waterbending weaknesses can be overcome by skilled Waterbending masters. In environments without water, a master can pull water particles out of clouds or air, and even out of living organisms such as plants and trees. The drawback is that if water is removed from a living organism, it will wither and die. Water can also be obtained from a master's own bodies if need be, from sweat or saliva.
Like I said, erosion is usually slow, and Earth is nearly everywhere. Water IS limited. Sure, a master Waterbender can do those things, but most of the Avatarverse are not master Waterbenders...In fact, there are only like 4 that have been shown.
An average or even a sub-par Firebender does not need any source at all to bend his element.
On average, Waterbending IS more limited.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxxok.
Water does put out fires. But a flames evaporate water, and try as hard as you can, you could never bring up a time water has put out a blue flame, which Azula uses. Cuts through Earth? True, but that really depends on the Earth. Not all Earth is so easily cut. And erosion...Is not usually very fast. Katara defeated Azula by outsmarting her, which was not hard at the time, Azula at the time was mentally very unstable and not thinking clearly, and had just got done fighting a losing battle with Zuko, she was visibly very tired from it. Also, it was a sneak attack, Azula could not see the water.Like I said, erosion is usually slow, and Earth is nearly everywhere. Water IS limited. Sure, a master Waterbender can do those things, but most of the Avatarverse are not master Waterbenders...In fact, there are only like 4 that have been shown.
An average or even a sub-par Firebender does not need any source at all to bend his element.
On average, Waterbending IS more limited.
Originally posted by Becci
Waterbending weaknesses
- Water is limited by the limited supply
- Water in contact with earth turns into mud
- Water in contact with fire vaporizes
- Water in contact with air budges
- Water is weakened during heat
- Water is only brought to full efficiency during night (and full moon)
- Water is requireing movement and and gestures to be bent
- Water is only efficient in certain areas
- Water is frail even while being solidI can think of more if you want.
In matter of fact, you could be little more wrong. Water indeed puts out fire, but what then? The water vaporizes and the waterbender loses some of her 'ammo', while the firebender can just keep on producing. Fire can also kill grass, trees, flowers and such water providing sources. This can be done to massive areas in very short amounts of time and once the waterbender has spent what little water she has, her life is running out roughly as quickly as her water against a firebender.
Well sure, Hamma could cut trough a boulder like it was butter, but this boulder was not being earthbent. An earthbender can provide a far larger obstacle than some rock and can close in on the advesary from more than one angle at the time. Sure, a waterbender can do so as well, IF the area on which they fight has such access points. We already know that water in contact with earth turns into mud and that ice is frail. It is also not strong enough to penetrate constantly onrushing walls from all directions. It most certainly lack the requirements to pursue an earthbender that has gone below ground.
For now, those points will have to do. If you want more views on how fire and earth surpass water, I am more than willing enough to help you out.
Oh and about your final point in your post: Do you expect our beloved waterbenders in question to start jogging at place like Katara to create sweat when they are out of water? Or start spitting wildly in their hands? Because a pinch of spit is nothing more than perhaps one or two spikes.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxWtf tag teaming me.. is there no one else that has an opinion on water... or earth...
Water does put out fires. But a flames evaporate water, and try as hard as you can, you could never bring up a time water has put out a blue flame, which Azula uses. Cuts through Earth? True, but that really depends on the Earth. Not all Earth is so easily cut. And erosion...Is not usually very fast. Katara defeated Azula by outsmarting her, which was not hard at the time, Azula at the time was mentally very unstable and not thinking clearly, and had just got done fighting a losing battle with Zuko, she was visibly very tired from it. Also, it was a sneak attack, Azula could not see the water.Like I said, erosion is usually slow, and Earth is nearly everywhere. Water IS limited. Sure, a master Waterbender can do those things, but most of the Avatarverse are not master Waterbenders...In fact, there are only like 4 that have been shown.
An average or even a sub-par Firebender does not need any source at all to bend his element.
On average, Waterbending IS more limited.
Originally posted by Avatar Kuruk
Wtf tag teaming me.. is there no one else that has an opinion on water... or earth...
Originally posted by Becciretirement ? never. *surrounds you with water and turning you into ice. thus killing you.
Tag teaming? We are two people not sharing your opinion. If you expect to ever only debate one person if you bring up a debatable point in a questionable matter, then I suggest an early retirement 😛