Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't get why you keep trying to act like Pein having six bodies isn't valid. That's his ability, to have six bodies. Gaara has sand, Jiraiya has frogs, Kirabi has biju abuse, Pein has six bodies. None are more or less valid gimmicks than any other.
Gaara is one person, not six. Jiraiya is one person, not six. Kirabi is one person, not six. Pein has Rinnegan, that is what they should have left it at, and let him copy any ninjutsu. If any of Gaara, Jiraiya, Kirabi, Itachi, Tobi, Deidara, Oro, etc had six bodies, they would be biiger gods than Pein. It is a cheap move that shouldn't exist.
Pain is six people. He wouldn't be Pain if he didn't have six bodies, he would be Nagato. If you gave other characters the Rinnegan, then they might be really tough and have six bodies as well. If Kirabi or Itachi had six bodies, then they'd... basically be the same as Pain. They don't have the Rinnegan or it's various multi-body powers...
Pain is a hive mind, it's not like it's some dude with five clones. They're all him.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Pain is six people. He wouldn't be Pain if he didn't have six bodies, he would be Nagato. If you gave other characters the Rinnegan, then they might be really tough and have six bodies as well. If Kirabi or Itachi had six bodies, then they'd... basically be the same as Pain. They don't have the Rinnegan or it's various multi-body powers...Pain is a hive mind, it's not like it's some dude with five clones. They're all him.
Rinnegan is known for copying all ninjutsu's. Itachi would be way stronger than Pein then. Pein is just a cheap character, and he should just be Nagato without the six bodies. It is better and it will never always give him an advantage.
Originally posted by Magee
Exactly, its more versatile but still easier for a MS user to win a fight. You can fight some one with Rinnegan if you are strong enough but tsukuyomi is an instant win at least in theory.
Against a lower level ninja for sure it is easier. But when u match up a rinnegan user against an MS user in a one on one scenario, the rinnegan user has the clear advantage.
Originally posted by Wil7
Rinnegan is known for copying all ninjutsu's. Itachi would be way stronger than Pein then. Pein is just a cheap character, and he should just be Nagato without the six bodies. It is better and it will never always give him an advantage.
If Itachi had Shukaku, he would be a better Sand Manipulator than Gaara. I can dream up hypotheticals all day, but remember, every character has a gimmick all his own.
Originally posted by Wil7
9 illusionary dragons is only used to seal tailed beasts away. It is never used in battle. He has unbeatable genjutsu defences? Like what? His 6 bodies is a bullshit move that should have never been put as a feat for him. That is the only reason he beat Jiraiya, because of a bullshit technique. Only one of his bodies has missles. And I will say again, if he just had his one body, he wouldn't have the missle jutsu, the absortion jutsu, etc at all. His rinnegan is obviously his best feat. Rinnegan is alot different than mangekyuo. The only reason everybody who has opposed Pein has died is because of his 6 bodies. Without his 6 bodies, Jiraiya would have beat him. Actually they probably wouldn't have fought. Of course rinnegan has higher preception than normal eyes. He can use it to project himself on the sealing statue from anywhere in the world and perform jutsus their?If I am wrong, please prove me wrong. Just like Sasuke, I am waiting for Pein to die.
first thing, pain cant COPY jutsu. he has nevr shown the capability. all he has is compatibility with all ELEMENTAL chakra types, when most people only have compatibility with one or two. which means he has to LEARN all the ninjutsu of those types just like any normal person would{just like he did with jiraya}, he cant just see the technique once and copy it. that is not the rinnegan's power.
as for genjutsu defences, that was proven when the konoha ninja treied to exract information from the head of the body that jiraya brought in and were beaten by the near invincible genjutsu defences inside the head.
as for the 6 bodies, what ur saying is very silly. it is almost definately an innate power of the rinnegan. let me explain, RINNEgan means SAMSARA eyes{juts like BYAKUgan means white/evil eyes} , samsara is the buddhist concept of the lower 6 worlds, where souls are caught in a cycle of rebirth due to attachements/PAIN/inability to realise buddhahood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_realms
note that their are 6 realms, the same number of bodies as pain{or the six paths of pain} however, what really cements this theory is that on konoha pain REFERRED to each of his bodies as "beast realm" "god realm" etc. meaning that it is a direct result of the RINNEGAN'S power, not just a bullshit technique.
Originally posted by Magee
Yes and the thread maker asks which one is stronger not which would win in a fight.
As i said, against lower level ninjas, the MS will be good for a quick win. However against a high level nija who can easily avoid eye contact it is less effective. Also the MS has a very limited usage rate as it consumes too much chakra. The rinnegan is more versatile, more destructive and is much more useful against high level ninjas. It also does not have the disadvantage the MS has. Hence the reason it is more powerful.
EMS and MS are just different levels of the same dojutsu (sharingan). The Rinnegan is the most powerful of the three--or so the hearsayings and folk-lores go. It also seem to have divine roots, unlike the sharingan.
Pein has never lost a single battle. Madara has the Shodai battle on his list--and then he was at his prime. Remember Itachi said that Madara (power-wise) is just a shell of his former self.
Nagato seems to be absent in the battles as well, and can sacrifice bodies at whim (crashing one of the into Jiraya's shield so that he could samage him). Much more effective that Kagebushin.
Originally posted by Astner
EMS and MS are just different levels of the same dojutsu (sharingan). The Rinnegan is the most powerful of the three--or so the hearsayings and folk-lores go. It also seem to have divine roots, unlike the sharingan.Pein has never lost a single battle. Madara has the Shodai battle on his list--and then he was at his prime. Remember Itachi said that Madara (power-wise) is just a shell of his former self.
Nagato seems to be absent in the battles as well, and can sacrifice bodies at whim (crashing one of the into Jiraya's shield so that he could samage him). Much more effective that Kagebushin.
Why would he call Madara an invincible immortal, and then later say he was a shell of his former self? How can you be more powerful than an invincible immortal?
Itachi spoke of Madara's status, not of his power. Current Madara is more powerful than ever.
This is further backed up by the fact that Sarutobi proved superior to First Hokage, a guy whom Madara was on par with.
Like I said, Kishimoto done fvcked up the tier listings.
The Fourth had to kill himself just to seal the Kyuubi.
The First beat both the Kyuubi and Madara, and was fine after the battle(as in, not dead).
The Third>First, and Fourth>Third apparently.
So...Wtf?
Also, we have no idea who Pein actually fought, so him beating a bunch of no names and never losing doesn't mean he>Madara.