Originally posted by King Kandy
Well for one, the 1st has the power to control Biju (and even has a necklace to enhance the ability) so the Kyuubi seems like a non factor in that fight.
But since the First had the ability to control Kyuubi,
have you ever thought that he might have used the Kyuubi against Madara?
Kyuubi gave a hint on the first chapter in the Naruto Shippuuden series.
He said "a man more sinister than himself." Perhaps Kyuubi and Madara have fought against each other, and Madara lost.
So perhaps the First controlled Kyuubi to gain the upper hand in his fight against Madara..
???
Sawsgay suppressed a Kyuubi that Naruto was already in the process of suppressing. There's no proof that he can surpress a Bijuu if the host wants it to come out. Otherwise he would haave probably just done the same thing to Eight tails.
Aside from that, suppression only works on a Jinchurichi, hence "suppressing", you're forcing the bijuu back inside the host. You can't a suppress a Bijuu into some thing if it's already free and there is nothing to suppress it into.
So no, Madara's ability to suppress Bijuu wouldn't help him in a Bijuu fight unless the Bijuu is in a host.
well it cud be that the first had greater control over the kyuubi than madara and turned it against him in the fight. and the 4th ofcourse sealed it. {remember, that madara denies ever controlling the kyuubi}. it cud be that controlling the kyuubi took too much effort on madara and the fourth simplyc counteracted that control and freed the kyuubi leaving madara velneurable and weak. it could be that the kyuubi is the one force which CANT be completely controlled by even the eternal mangekyo and the kyuubi either fled or kicked madara's ass{seeing as i beleive that still, the kyuubi is the ultimate power in naruto, above the eternal mangekyo or rinnegan- which wud explain why madara created akatuki to trap all the tailed beasts and gain the power of the kyuubi- maybe he is trying to become the new jinchuuriku for the kyuubi or maybe even for ALL bijuu- it wud also explain why naruto CUD be the strongest character in the series, seeing as an ultimae forbidden jutsu was used to trap the kyuubi inside him and he has technically even greater control over it than madara or even the first}. maybe that was what madara was talking about when he said "my power, uchia madara's power". he summoned the kyuubi but even the eternal mangekyo wasnt enough to control it, with the statue sealing, he would finally gain control over it.