Original Human Torch VS. Wolverine, Beast, and Gambit

who says he knows they're heroes?

i'm not saying jim is bloodlusted. if he was........this just might be considered spite. but saying these guys win easily is crazy.........and only shows me how much one knows of the jim hammond as a character.

Originally posted by namorsubby
that's ridiculous. one concentrated blast from jim could incinerate gambit and beast and turn wolverine into a skeleton. [b]one.

he can fly. who's gonna get him in the air?

he's absorbed the strength of and thrived in explosions before.not to mention he has a fire aura that renders artillery useless. who's to say gambit's cards can even hurt him? [/B]

Wolverine can jump 50 feet in the air, Gambit has long range attacks, and is that how he fought, or is that how you want him to fight?

Wouldn't that mean he's essentially rendering kinetic energy useless?

KMC Rules states that both sides receive basic knowledge about each other so he will know they are heroes thus I don't think he'll go for the kill. Wolverine probably would and maybe Gambit like a 5% chance of him going for the kill but Beast won't at all.

Originally posted by namorsubby
this just might be considered spite. but saying these guys win easily is crazy.........and only shows me how much one knows of the jim hammond as a character.

It seems you know little of the combatants, and are infatuated with Jim.
If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say you're quite a bit bias.

We don't overrate Jim, so we must not know the character? Are you serious? What a typical fanboy response.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Let's see some of these blasts. Also, all three of his combatants are ridiculously agile as well.

Wolverine can jump 50 feet in the air, Gambit has long range attacks, and is that how he fought, or is that how you want him to fight?

Wouldn't that mean he's essentially rendering kinetic energy useless?

like i said, jim came out of an atomic bomb explosion stronger. and has laughed at things like a rocket melting on his back and exploding. he's walked out of explosions several times with no signs of injuries whatsoever. who's to say whether a kinetic energy explosion will do anything to him?

jim can make forcefields from flame that stop several artillery shells in their track. he has also sent namor flying with a fireball after having endured being smacked by a stone pillar........from namor. wolverin is not jumping up and gutting him. he'll jump and get sent right back down.....hard

Originally posted by Red Hulk
It couldn't be you, no of course it can't.

It seems you know little of the combatants, and are infatuated with Jim.
If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say you're quite a bit bias.

We don't overrate Jim, so we must not know the character? Are you serious? What a typical fanboy response.

give me one example of me overrating hammond. all i have done was state feats directly accessible to anyone here via my thread and base my statements on those.my guess is you don't know enough about him to know whether i'd be overratiing him anyway. since you say he gets "raped' by this team when he consistently has duked it out with namor over the years. oh, and he once killed ironman😆

please no ABC logic here. I already stated why I say your scenario won't work. I guess that you know that he wouldn't kill heroes so he's not going to incinerate them with one blast.

i'm not sure whether he'd kill them. but he definitely kills enemies.

abc logic is appliable when the opponent who jim fought is vastly superior to the lot.

don't tell me you still think he gets raped? even after my statement of abc logic?

Originally posted by namorsubby
i'm not sure whether he'd kill them. but he definitely kills enemies.

Yeah at the moment they're enemies but at the end of the day both teams are still heroes and he won't try to kill them. As said before there is nothing he can do to really put Wolverine down.

wolverin regenerating from a skeleton is ridiculous........i know it happened once in his continuity.......but come on.

he'd be out of commission if he was a skeleton anyway, so it's still a lose.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
It couldn't be you, no of course it can't.

It seems you know little of the combatants, and are infatuated with Jim.
If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say you're quite a bit bias.

We don't overrate Jim, so we must not know the character? Are you serious? What a typical fanboy response.

1) what can beast even do? in most situations at least.

2) i've stated feats that suggest jim might be able absorb gambit's energy. and although i'm sure 2 or 2 cards won't do jack, here's what i aid about that:

"with more than a few cards, and without jim making a forcefield(why wouldn't he), yeah, i agree"( about gambit's explosive force being able to take out hammond)

3. the notion that wolverine will jump up and gut hammond is ridiculous, considering the feats i've stated. that doesn't mean i'm know little of wolverine or am infatuated with jim

here's what i said concerning this match earlier:

" think the team wins if gambit can floor him with an explosive. wolverine could get through some amount of his flame and end it"

i'm not biased. and those definitely aren't the words of a fanboy. i resent that accusation

no he'll regenerate back and keep fighting. Who says he loses if he gets reduced to a skeleton? If he can keep fighting then he doesn't lose.

Originally posted by namorsubby
jim hammond has no problem catching and disabling planes and jets/ outmanuevering them. wolverine's not going to jump on him, and they're not just going to evade him endlessly......or even for long.

like i said, jim came out of an atomic bomb explosion stronger. and has laughed at things like a rocket melting on his back and exploding. he's walked out of explosions several times with no signs of injuries whatsoever. who's to say whether a kinetic energy explosion will do anything to him?

jim can make forcefields from flame that stop several artillery shells in their track. he has also sent namor flying with a fireball after having endured being smacked by a stone pillar........[b]from namor. wolverin is not jumping up and gutting him. he'll jump and get sent right back down.....hard [/B]

So, he takes basically something that has to do with his power, and turns it into a power source for himself? Didn't he get extinguished by a burst of air? Who's to say kinetic energy won't do the same thing?

He didn't make forcefields... he basically made the nukes explode with flame...

He would basically be jumping through fire, and Wolverine has the momentum, and sheer willpower to make it through.

Originally posted by namorsubby
my god.

give me [b]one example of me overrating hammond. all i have done was state feats directly accessible to anyone here via my thread and base my statements on those.my guess is you don't know enough about him to know whether i'd be overratiing him anyway. since you say he gets "raped' by this team when he consistently has duked it out with namor over the years. oh, and he once killed ironman😆 [/B]

That's laughable. I don't know anything about him because I believe he gets raped here? I'm sorry, I should have asked you, the Moses of Jim before I came up with my opinion. Won't happen again boss.

Is that what you're basing it on? Duking out with Namor? First off, intense heat would evaporate the water in Namor, and second, Wolverine has a winning record against Namor...

It only melted the circuits of his armor... 😐

Anyway, bed.

oh please don't bring those namor/wolverine fights into this. if you've seen a list of who namor hasn beaten and stalemated in the past, you'd realize how ridiculous you are using that as so called "evidence". thor is on the list multiple times. so is hulk. and captain marvel. and blackbolt. and beta ray bill. and hercules.and abomination......you don't wanna get into this.

besides, the force of his fire blast was enough to send namor "flying" when he actually was flying with force instead of jumping.

besides besides, what's gonna happen if wolverine gets up there(not gonna happen) and he's a skeleton when he reaches him? jim moves superhumanly quick in the air anyway.theres no way logans gonna jump fast enough to get hammond in the air.this is ridiculous

the fields are solid. he can make fire solid. he once walked up a ladder he made out of flame.

who's heat attack has ever penetrated ironman's armor to melt his circuits besides jim's? stop undermining him.his flame is hot enough that he once burned his way to the center of the earth. he canceled out lightning from thor with a fireball. he overwhelmed Loga,THE GOD OF FIRE, with his flame.

it seems you're assuming a lot. do you really think this team would still "rape" him?

and furthermore, namor has one of the highest tolerances for temperature extremes out there. the dehydration thing doesn't even really come into play when they fight.

you really think these guys would own him so badly, but you say it's "laughable" that i'd say you don't know him because of it. you can't be reading the feats i'm writing out for you.

i didn't say this match could be considered spite. i said hammond bloodlusted. you seem to think it could be though, just for the xteam though.......which is crazy.

who's everyone else? you're wrong because i'm guessing you don't know much about him. you wanna tell me you knew those feats before i posted them? can you even tell me you knew enough to accurately determine the outcome of this match? really? cause it's seems you're guessing a lot. about his forcefields. about his speed in the air. about his flame and heat output.etc

i dont care what any of u ppl say tht dominates

is that "tht", as in "the human torch"?

humantorch 👆

bump.

i liked this match.

Originally posted by namorsubby
so jim's fiery aura can render him invulnerable to artillery shells and he has a history of thriving in explosions..........but gambit can still take him out?

with more than a few cards, and without jim making a forcefield(why wouldn't he), yeah, i agree.

so beast is going to throw wolverine fast enough to hit torch in flight when he has outmanuevered planes and is faster than a jet? what's to stop jim from putting up a shield or smacking him back into the ground with a fire ball? he smacked namor, who can actually fly and is much more resistance/durable into the water with a fireball:http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/Invaders_41_28.gif

nice little scenario.that is creative, but torch is not gonna be distracted so long that that would work.hell, can you even explain how beast jumps on him and doesn't get scroched?

Dude, he may be fast enough to dodge a speed blitz from beast and Wolverine, but he also has to deal with Gambit throwing kinetic energy at him (not just cards which would make them able to hit him unlike artillery shells which can be melted). I don't think you can melt energy. So, it's not that he's not fast, it's just that he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head either.