The Lizard VS. Wolverine

Started by Battlehammer25 pages

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Liazrd lost his tail before, hell it's like I'm saying Wolverine would drop after someone stabbed his stomach with a knife. And it seems that Lizard drops cause he has no balance anymore Wolverine says: Not so easy to stay on your feet now. Huh?

Really when. Care to post the issue number were he got his tail completely taken off and was fine?

No it not that a horrible comparison. For starters that not nearly as damaging is having a limb taken off, and secondly Wolverine healing factor is much greater then lizards.

Lizard would be off balances, his tail is what keeps him equalized with out it he be pretty useless. He may have fallen over becuase of the tail being cut off, but it looked like he was down for the count.

This is a very bad match up for Lizard. Certain characters are better against some then others.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Liazrd lost his tail before, hell it's like I'm saying Wolverine would drop after someone stabbed his stomach with a knife. And it seems that Lizard drops cause he has no balance anymore Wolverine says: Not so easy to stay on your feet now. Huh?

He did? Scans/issue no.? Not that I don't believe you, I'd just like to see it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Really when. Care to post the issue number were he got his tail completely taken off and was fine?

No it not that a horrible comparison. For starters that not nearly as damaging is having a limb taken off, and secondly Wolverine healing factor is much greater then lizards.

Lizard would be off balances, his tail is what keeps him equalized with out it he be pretty useless. He may have fallen over becuase of the tail being cut off, but it looked like he was down for the count.

I'm pretty sure he has I have no issue number at hand but I'll search for that maybe it wasn't canon anyways but I'm pretty sure it happend, but even by common sense it's totally retarded why should he drop by a cut off limp? Connors researched into that stuff to regrow cutted off limbs, a real lizard also doesn't die when you rip off the tail and being out of balance makes no sense aswell his anatomy is almost exact like it was when he was a human, when something really brings him off balance then it would be the tail itself and not teh fact that it was cutted off.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not at all, Vermin to my knowledge never did anything closes to the amount of damage as taking off an entire limb especially Lizards strongest one.

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Originally posted by namorsubby
Originally posted by Battlehammer
You also realize Wolverine has straight up tooled Vermin before even easier then he beat Lizard and Vermin had help............
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine fights Blood Scream and Vermin at the same time; (Vermins punked out Spiderman, fought Spiderman and Captain America at the same time and Fought the Lizard to a stalemate):
1. http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8085/verminfightde6.jpg
2. http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8098/verminfight2he2.jpg
3. http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7366/verminfight3oe9.jpg
4. http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8082/verminfight4aw7.jpg
5. http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8817/verminfight5pp1.jpg

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I'm pretty sure he has I have no issue number at hand but I'll search for that maybe it wasn't canon anyways but I'm pretty sure it happend, but even by common sense it's totally retarded why should he drop by a cut off limp?

Becuase that a shit load of damage? More then lizard shown able to take. I mean you do realize how much damage that is right?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Connors researched into that stuff to regrow cutted off limbs, a real lizard also doesn't die when you rip off the tail

Connor did not die either, and Lizards have a defenses mechanism which actuality releases the tail when grabbed strongly enough, that means nothing when it comes to a cut. They could easily die from such a wound.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
[B]and being out of balance makes no sense aswell his anatomy is almost exact like it was when he was a human, when something really brings him off balance then it would be the tail itself and not teh fact that it was cutted off.

His anatonmy as lizard is not the same at all, were are you getting this information. The tail is his strongest body part and is what centralizes his balances, with out it he would have trouble standing. Not sure were you got any of the info you been saying, but it straight up wrong.

Lizard has the most overrated healing factor, even his best showings don't support him taking such damage, let a lone his consistent ones.

His best feat to date his being impale on a rock......and that his best feat by quite a bit.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Connor did not die either, and Lizards have a defenses mechanism which actuality releases the tail when grabbed strongly enough, that means nothing when it comes to a cut. They could easily die from such a wound.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotomy

Wolverine didn't really do anything to Vermin, did he?

He seems completely fine after the mind control was cut off.

Originally posted by Mindset
Wolverine didn't really do anything to Vermin, did he?

He seems completely fine after the mind control was cut off.


He dropped him twice in the fight, and easily besting him, but nothing permanent.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotomy

Ok I admit I'm wrong on that real example, Connors arm still regrows when he turns into the lizard. Again I'm not disputing that Wolverine wins just that this instance looks horrible IMO.

why is it horrible? the lizard becomes a lizard like creature who stands on two legs with a giant tail... so cutting his tail might actually throw off his balance... it screws with Cats, Monkeys so why not on the lizard? it isnt that far of a stretch at all.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Ok I admit I'm wrong on that real example, Connors arm still regrows when he turns into the lizard.

Thats far from the same. When he transforms he turns into a separate being. It similar to how colossus turns into solid metal. It does not mean Lizard has the ability to regrow his tail. Notice how Lizard best healing factor feat ever is him being impaled in the stomack and being KOed and yet you some how believes it rediculous that choping off his entire tail won't put him down? Where your rational? Because when he transforms he gains and arm? That means he can all of a sudden heal limbs instantly? No, just no. He never display any type of ability while already in lizard form. His human form is seperate from his lizard form, it has nothing to due with his healing factor and he never display any type pf healing even closes to such levels are you trying to state he at.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Again I'm not disputing that Wolverine wins just that this instance looks horrible IMO.

Why does it look horrible? Lets go over this shall we. He had his largest muscle taken off completely meaning massive blood losses and he never shown any healing factor feats closes to the level required to deal with such an blow. Your answer to that was he a lizard they survive such things all the time. Again this statement was wrong, Lizards survive such attacks based on unique abilities to releases there tails when grab, this does nothing for them it it cut off instantly. They would bleed out all the same and die with out help. Again connor did not die. Then you said it made no senses that he loses his balances? Honest do you know anything about animals? Lizards who walk on four legs have trouble with balances and mobility with out the uses of there tails let a lone one who stands on two legs and tail is used as a stabilizer. Hell Night Crawler who has much smaller tail uses his tail as stabilizer and it proportionately much smaller then that of Lizards. Come on now man this is jsut common senses. Also what garbage was that about that physology is the same or almost as his human form? That could not be further from the truth, he completely different when a Lizard form in everyway.

Honestly I am convince your rational for why you find it horrible is becuase Wolverine spank one of Spidermans villains worse then he does. Get uses to it man he fair better against every rougue of spiderman he faced then vice versa. Sorry, but Wolverine far more suited to take out Lizard then Spiderman, and yes I know you dislike it, but it the truth. Becuase honestly there are far more horriable occurances and inaccurate depictions then that. Logan is more skilled, fast enough and his claws can cut through anything, what he did was well within his ability as been depicted numerous times. Lizard on the other hand has never been depicted even at his highest showings to be able to sustain such an assault. Do you read Lizard appareances? Becuase your opinion of him and his abilities and atonomy are far from whats depicted in comics........

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He had his largest muscle taken off completely meaning massive blood losses and he never shown any healing factor feats closes to the level required to deal with such an blow.
lies and propaganda...........

The whole concept of Lizard's healing factor is based on the actual fact that some lizards can regrow their tails after they've been taken off. Now, when these lizard's tails get ripped off,they don't collapse from blood loss, because that would defeat the purpose. They lose their tails so that they'll survive an encounter with a predator. They simply scurry off unimpaired. So to have lizard lose a fight by losing his tail is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard(but not at all susprising....considering). IDk what their supposed fight was like because I have yet to witness it, but I know one thing:

The loss of his tail should've been a complete non-factor........but since it seems that it was in fact the discerning factor of the entire match, It leaves me feeling very skeptical about the showing.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
what title/issue is this from?

also, you don't think that lizard may have been caught off guard with that fight-ending blow from behind?lmao

still, losing his tail is probably the absolute dumbest way for a character named the lizard to lose to anybody, not just logan

Originally posted by namorsubby
what title/issue is this from?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's from Wolverine: Savage one-shot.
Originally posted by Battlehammer

Why does it look horrible? Lets go over this shall we. He had his largest muscle taken off completely meaning massive blood losses and he never shown any healing factor feats closes to the level required to deal with such an blow. Your answer to that was he a lizard they survive such things all the time. Again this statement was wrong, Lizards survive such attacks based on unique abilities to releases there tails when grab, this does nothing for them it it cut off instantly. They would bleed out all the same and die with out help. Again connor did not die. Then you said it made no senses that he loses his balances? Honest do you know anything about animals? Lizards who walk on four legs have trouble with balances and mobility with out the uses of there tails let a lone one who stands on two legs and tail is used as a stabilizer. Hell Night Crawler who has much smaller tail uses his tail as stabilizer and it proportionately much smaller then that of Lizards. Come on now man this is jsut common senses. Also what garbage was that about that physology is the same or almost as his human form? That could not be further from the truth, he completely different when a Lizard form in everyway.

Wow, so much bullshit talk and pretending you have knowledge about lizards. What degree in biology do you have (Wikipedia does not qualify, sorry)? Yea, exactly - don't talk down to people, especially when making shit up.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Lizards who walk on four legs have trouble with balances and mobility with out the uses of there tails let a lone one who stands on two legs and tail is used as a stabilizer.

Don't make me laugh. The Lizard's anatomy is more humanoid than that of a lizard. He doesn't need a tail to act as a "stabilizer". Just because you present your bullshit in a matter-of-fact manner doesn't make it true.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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context is important in that fight, both characters were bloodlusted and we powered up stronger than they normally are.

WTF?

No they weren't. 🤨

They were bloodlusted sure.. but any arguments about them being suped up simply are not true and are even countered by on panel evidence....
And.... Shit man... even if they were powered up, the whole argument based on what Lizard's able to take due to that fight as evidence would be null and void. 😬

Originally posted by Trackz
context is important in that fight, both characters were bloodlusted and we powered up stronger than they normally are.

And still all Vermin did was scratching him once... how is that worse than having his tail cut off?