Originally posted by StiltmanFTWthat was in reference to trying to compare wolverine's fight with vermin against lizards, the vermin in that fight was much stronger.
And still all Vermin did was scratching him once... how is that worse than having his tail cut off?
anyway lizard does have a feat in which a pipe or something tears through his chest, and he's back up in a couple of seconds.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i think ppl need to get over the fact that lizard isnt near logan's level of damage output or damage soak and is dumb as a brick... wolverine can consistently stomp the lizard 8/10
1.lizard is varying levels of intelligence depending on his incarnation, but obviously low-level intelligence in Wolverine: Savage #1(in other words, Savage)
2.wolverine claws can cut damn near anything, so no one's arguing that lizard can do as much damage, and we all know logan's HF is superior as well, but there's no way lizard should have been incapacitated by the loss of his tail. His tail is basically meant to come off in combat situations. His Healing factor is also far more than sufficient to handle such an injury if it were not(but it is). The only thing I feel was accurately displayed in logan and curt's showing was lizard's speed. The fact that lizard apparently tried to run after he cut his claws is hilarious. I assume he was also savage in this issue......he basically has no fear or acknowledgement of pain in that state. I also find it funny that logan feared using his claws, especially in reference to cutting of the one arm that's only there in lizard form. lol, It's like he doesn't know that lizard has a healing factor.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Maybe it's just me, but I think Lizard tried to swat Logan with his tail again, not run.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I never really saw an attempt to swat at him(unless that was an evading move by logan in scan 3), but yeah, that would make way more sense.......I just assumed that since a lizard lost this fight with the loss of his tail(which is meant as a sacrificial limb) that nothing else would make sense either.
Originally posted by namorsubbywhen has lizard's tail bn shown to come off on its own in a comic panel?
1.lizard is varying levels of intelligence depending on his incarnation, but obviously low-level intelligence in Wolverine: Savage #1(in other words, Savage)2.wolverine claws can cut damn near anything, so no one's arguing that lizard can do as much damage, and we all know logan's HF is superior as well, but there's no way lizard should have been incapacitated by the loss of his tail. His tail is basically meant to come off in combat situations. His Healing factor is also far more than sufficient to handle such an injury if it were not(but it is). The only thing I feel was accurately displayed in logan and curt's showing was lizard's speed. The fact that lizard apparently tried to run after he cut his claws is hilarious. I assume he was also savage in this issue......he basically has no fear or acknowledgement of pain in that state. I also find it funny that logan feared using his claws, especially in reference to cutting of the one arm that's only there in lizard form. lol, It's like he doesn't know that lizard has a healing factor.
also not all lizards can detach or survive(infections) without their tail...
Originally posted by Wild Shadowlol, but that's what the whole concept of lizard's healing factor is based on.
when has lizard's tail bn shown to come off on its own in a comic panel?also not all lizards can detach or survive(infections) without their tail...
he's lost arms, been impaled, blown up, practically slashed to shreds, then tossed of a building, etc, etc.......all to no avail. He can easily take losing a tail
Originally posted by namorsubby
lol, but that's what the whole concept of lizard's healing factor is based on.he's lost arms, been impaled, blown up, practically slashed to shreds, then tossed of a building, etc, etc.......all to no avail. He can easily take losing a tail
some of them were when he was magically amped . and the times where he was injured the lizard would run and hide in the sewers and being impaled i dont think he recovered right away either and was in full fighting shape...
also minor shredding cuts, blunt trauma isnt the same as full high level regeneration or high pain tolerance to injury and shock... you actually think the lizard lvl of healing is in the same league as DP and his limb regeneration?
i think Lizard can regrow his tail but i dont think he can do it in the middle of a fight like DP does, let alone not be a shock to his system..
also again you have provided no evidence to ur statement of the lizard being able to easily recuperate from such an injury other then an assumption with his animal similarity and altogether different injuries under questionable circumstances.
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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i recall some of those moments and they werent all to no avail as you make it sound....some of them were when he was magically amped . and the times where he was injured the lizard would run and hide in the sewers and being impaled i dont think he recovered right away either and was in full fighting shape...
also minor shredding cuts, blunt trauma isnt the same as full high level regeneration or high pain tolerance to injury and shock... you actually think the lizard lvl of healing is in the same league as DP and his limb regeneration?
i think Lizard can regrow his tail but i dont think he can do it in the middle of a fight like DP does, let alone not be a shock to his system..
also again you have provided no evidence to ur statement of the lizard being able to easily recuperate from such an injury other then an assumption with his animal similarity and altogether different injuries under questionable circumstances.
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lol, he was magically controlled(voodoo), not amped. and oncewhen he fell off the building, he did go into the sewers, but i fail to see how that's relevant. when he was impaled, I guess you could say he was "momentarily incapacitated", but only probably because it took him time to remove himself from the large piece of metal sticking through his entire torso.
who said anything about DP? his head has been cut off......also, I don't think being slashed through the throat is a "minor shredding cut" furthermore, lizard's blunt truama resistance is due to his bulletproof skin, and his pain tolerance is virtually unlimited while savage. He doesn't even seem to notice injury.
i dont think he'd have to, but he possibly could regrow it during the fight, and like I said, there'd be no "shock" involved, savage lizard doesn't so much as cringe at injury/pain, check the thread.
lol, the instances I have stated are already much more impressive than regenerating a tail......and of course I have scans of them all in my thread. still though, i find it ridiculous that anyone would even begin to argue that the lizard losing his tail is a legitamit reason for his incapacitation......considering.
Originally posted by namorsubby
I mean to no avail, as in, he wasn't rendered incapacitated like with logan......lol, he was magically controlled(voodoo), not amped. and [b]once
when he fell off the building, he did go into the sewers, but i fail to see how that's relevant. when he was impaled, I guess you could say he was "momentarily incapacitated", but only probably because it took him time to remove himself from the large piece of metal sticking through his entire torso.who said anything about DP? his head has been cut off......also, I don't think being slashed through the throat is a "minor shredding cut" furthermore, lizard's blunt truama resistance is due to his bulletproof skin, and his pain tolerance is virtually unlimited while savage. He doesn't even seem to notice injury.
i dont think he'd have to, but he possibly could regrow it during the fight, and like I said, there'd be no "shock" involved, savage lizard doesn't so much as cringe at injury/pain, check the thread.
lol, the instances I have stated are already much more impressive than regenerating a tail......and of course I have scans of them all in my thread. still though, i find it ridiculous that anyone would even begin to argue that the lizard losing his tail is a legitamit reason for his incapacitation......considering. [/B]
Okay..so let's just break this down - you have the first scan which clearly shows that Logan is able to kill Lizard with a single blow. Except that Logan knows this is a good man underneath the beast so he decides to punch him with his claws retracted. Now, we are talking about punches capable of damaging someone close to Hulk level strength/durability (roughhouse). So Logan is clearly holding back big time. He gets tagged with the tail once and is perfectly fine - no apparent damage at all. Then he cuts Lizards claws off - and at first I thought that Lizard was running too but if you look close you will see that the tail is causing the air to blur which would suggest that he was going to swat Logan again. Considering that Logan dodges machine gun fire on regular bases, slicing the tail off from an attempted Swat from the Lizard is no big deal at all.
And even if the Lizard was running - IT STILL COUNTS as a win for Logan, right? I mean, common dude...at best Logan counters a Swat taking away the Lizards only real weapon against Logan. At worst, the Lizard realizes on some level that he's going to get his friggin ass kicked if he doesn't - forgive the pun - high-tail it out of there. Either way, it counts as a victory for Logan. The only reason Logan would have done that - assuming it was a hit from behind - is that he needed to stop Lizard before the Lizard went and did some damage to dumpsters or what-have-you.
Let's explore one more concept - let's say that you're absolutely right and that the Lizard shouldn't lose his balance after getting his tail sliced off. Perhaps the sheer amount of pain he was experiencing caused him to drop? Try ripping a normal person’s leg off and see if they are still standing able to fight. Secondly, Logan does say that his tail WILL grow back but do YOU have anything to suggest that it can grow back instantly? I doubt it. Finally, let's say, for the sake of argument that the Lizard not only can maintain his balance after losing tail but can withstand the pain well enough to keep fighting - what the hell is he going to do to Logan now? Scratch him with the stubs of claws Logan left him with? Seriously, you might as well count it as a win at this point - it's like a chess game where, you're technically still alive but all you have left is three pons and your opponent has well...ALL of his pieces? Do you really think you're going to win? I mean...just trying to fathom how a tail-less Lizard is going to keep on fighting WOLVERINE is making me laugh on the inside really hard.
So in the end...does it really matter if Lizard would've should've could've kept his balance in the fight? I mean..for all intensive purposes - the best you can possibly hope for based on these scans is a fight where the opponent TRIED TO RUN AWAY (losing the fight), got his best weapon taken away and is, while still standing and technically able to fight, completely defenseless against the likes of Wolverine who was clearly holding back big time. This is the best possible hypthetical you can derive from these scans, and it's giving the Lizard an added bonus that he SHOULD HAVE stayed standing and kept fighting even after his tail was removed. Now back to reality - Logan put him down..plain and simple.
Did I mention that Logan used skill and accuracy to cut the claws off a moving Lizard in order to save Conner's life instead of say...cutting the Lizards head right off???
The amount of denial going on here is outstanding..
Originally posted by namorsubby
I mean to no avail, as in, he wasn't rendered incapacitated like with logan......lol, he was magically controlled(voodoo), not amped. and [b]once
when he fell off the building, he did go into the sewers, but i fail to see how that's relevant. when he was impaled, I guess you could say he was "momentarily incapacitated", but only probably because it took him time to remove himself from the large piece of metal sticking through his entire torso.who said anything about DP? his head has been cut off......also, I don't think being slashed through the throat is a "minor shredding cut" furthermore, lizard's blunt truama resistance is due to his bulletproof skin, and his pain tolerance is virtually unlimited while savage. He doesn't even seem to notice injury.
i dont think he'd have to, but he possibly could regrow it during the fight, and like I said, there'd be no "shock" involved, savage lizard doesn't so much as cringe at injury/pain, check the thread.
lol, the instances I have stated are already much more impressive than regenerating a tail......and of course I have scans of them all in my thread. still though, i find it ridiculous that anyone would even begin to argue that the lizard losing his tail is a legitamit reason for his incapacitation......considering. [/B]
We know you dont like Wolverine but its obvious who would win this fight since we have on panel proof.
Originally posted by KingD19
Logan is easily fast enough to keep up with Lizard, and he's fought and won against beings with far greater strength. Plus, he can claw through Lizard faster than he can heal. Wolverine takes a healthy majority, possibly a stompl
You mean like in their last fight?
Co-signed.
Originally posted by carver9Panel proof? Logan won by cutting of his tail......his tail. And then to add insult to injury, He said something about him knowing his tail would grow back. That means they are supporting the fact that lizard's tail can grow back when cut off, but somehow acting as if it still Ko's him to lose it? How? That would defeat the purpose of him being able to lose it(which is escaping danger).they were also acting like Logan couldn't cut off his regrown amputated arm, as if he couldn't grow it back in lizard form, which is also false. It's absolutely moronic, nothing less.
We know you dont like Wolverine but its obvious who would win this fight since we have on panel proof.
It's hard to love a character who's own massive popularity influences such idiotic instances in comic feats. The rule is, wolverine wins. It doesn't have to make sense one bit, or line up with the other character's attributes or history, it just has to happen.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Panel proof? Logan won by cutting of his tail......his tail. And then to add insult to injury, He said something about him knowing his tail would grow back. That means they are supporting the fact that lizard's tail can grow back when cut off, but somehow acting as if it still Ko's him to lose it? How?
Can you even post 3 separate examples of lizard withstanding damage of that magnitude with out being KOed?
Because I won't hold my breath.
Originally posted by namorsubby
That would defeat the purpose of him being able to lose it(which is escaping danger)
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Originally posted by namorsubby
[B]they were also acting like Logan couldn't cut off his regrown amputated arm, as if he couldn't grow it back in lizard form, which is also false. It's absolutely moronic, nothing less.
context, I mean the issues right there man. He was afraid of cutting off the other arm je could not remember which one was which. also can you even post a single example of lizard loosing his arm in lizard form and regrowing it right back?
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Originally posted by namorsubby
It's hard to love a character who's own massive popularity influences such idiotic instances in comic feats. The rule is, wolverine wins. It doesn't have to make sense one bit, or line up with the other character's attributes or history, it just has to happen.
I love for you to provide evidence of the things I asked for, because you talk a big game about this and that. That it due to wolverine popularity (funny given the fact Lizard is a rogue of marvel most popular character) and it mis represented his abilities and wolverine always win ( talking out your ass again awesome, about a character you have almost no real knowledge of how refreshing from how you act all the time.....
