Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Whats so interesting to me was everone screaming for Thor to be in wwh hulk if pak got a hold of him hulk would have beat his ass too.
No doubt. He would have, at the very best, taken the place of Sentry as "the guy who finally gives Hulk a decent fight but still loses."
Originally posted by SaintSmurph
But Vision (nor, as I recall, the F4 at the time) couldn't have known that.Only that his powers fluctuated based on confidence.
And, they still could have attempted something.
In the scenario where it's hard to exploit a weakness, the situation is still better than saying "... yeah. So, we're pretty much screwed."
Reed: "Our subterfuge fooled him just enough to make him doubt his own power for a moment."
Reed: "All we needed was a scenario which would cause him to doubt his own abilities, so that we could strike through them."
I bet that Reed's files thoroughly explained his theory as well as how they set about exploiting it. His theory was known to Cannonball, after all.
I don't know what you would expect them to do to exploit it. Having one of their own take a dive to lead Gladiator to underestimate him would have been extremely dangerous considering Gladiator was more than willing to kill them.
Unlike Sentry, Thor has the raw power and skill to put Hulk down. And the credibility and rep within Marvel to be justified in doing it. Even Pak couldn't get away with making Thor job and lose. Sentry, sure. But not Thor.
Maybe I'm fooling myself. But I can't see Thor getting screwed the way Sentry did.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Unlike Sentry, Thor has the raw power and skill to put Hulk down.
As though that would matter even a little bit.
Even Pak couldn't get away with making Thor job and lose.
Sure he could. With Quesada in charge? You kidding me? World War Hulk was a big "Hulk beats everyone" crossover event that was selling like hotcakes. Pak could get away with anything he wanted.
I think you are fooling yourself to think otherwise.
Originally posted by KK the GreatGood point. I see that people still remain unconvinced about the Hulks power surge but all these scans of characters stalemating Hulk are pointless. Hulk has proven as WW Hulk his power levels have increased and that the past is dead.
What's your point?That wasn't from the WWH storyline.
I can show scans of Wonder Man stalemating Hulk, but I sure as hell didn't have any confidence that he was going to stand up and save the day in WWH.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestAnyone who Hulk faced in this story he was either beating or stalemating. It was his moment in the sun and Thor would have fallen as well.
Unlike Sentry, Thor has the raw power and skill to put Hulk down. And the credibility and rep within Marvel to be justified in doing it. Even Pak couldn't get away with making Thor job and lose. Sentry, sure. But not Thor.Maybe I'm fooling myself. But I can't see Thor getting screwed the way Sentry did.
I agree with Nvr that I doubt Pak would have gotten away with having Thor lose to Hulk. But I do think he'd have written it anyway. I suspect the writers in Thor's own book would retcon it somehow, or have Thor team up with Hulk. Pak is insane enough to have Hulk win, but that wouldn't make it a clean victory or something admissable in the forums, where we all know Thor wrecks any Hulk.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestHow come Thor hasnt dominated the Hulk every time he has faced him. This is also the WW Hulk to and this is typical of you that everything you dont like you blame the writer.
I agree with Nvr that I doubt Pak would have gotten away with having Thor lose to Hulk. But I do think he'd have written it anyway. I suspect the writers in Thor's own book would retcon it somehow, or have Thor team up with Hulk. Pak is insane enough to have Hulk win, but that wouldn't make it a clean victory or something admissable in the forums, where we all know Thor wrecks any Hulk.