Originally posted by leonidas
even assuming you're correct, the point is moot since he's not ko'ing her with a single shot, which means she'd have a chance to reply and inflict damage of her own. again, if colossus and hulk can rough him up, she certainly could do so. even black bolt gave him a match in the physical department.
Originally posted by leonidas
all well and good, but if WM could roll and react to a blitz from him, clearly she would be able to do the same, only far more effectively.
Originally posted by leonidas
i happen to like vulcan a lot and haven't seen that. i'd be interested in seeing that scan if you've got it.
Originally posted by leonidas
that's just it--where has superman categorically defeated her? gotten the better of? had the upperhand? i'll grant that, but she's only a notch below him. there's even a scan (i'd need to search for it) that says that, while she was on a rampage, superman himself was the only being capable of physically restraining her.
And its been said that Gladiator was the most powerful being in the Shi'ar Empire, and Nova called him one of the most physically strongest beings in the universe. *shrug*
Originally posted by leonidas
meh. i'd argue the reverse of that. the planet can't move or fight back. and he was enraged. i'm sure he was pretty confident he could take that pile of rock.
Originally posted by leonidas
the spectre one was the more impressive. at least there is mention of her as being one the mightiest beings in the multiverse. but i already said finding solo strength feats were difficult. her best strength feats are her battles.
Originally posted by leonidas
ha! i was going to mention lobo. still, her skill is certainly an asset, but she is pretty damn close in the strength department. since her strength was granted by gaea, she has been said to be STRONGER than hercules himself. that would make her stronger than marvel as well . . . stronger than marvel would mean she is pretty damn close to superman and neck-and-neck with the likes of glads.
I winz!!
Originally posted by leonidas
and at the end, when she sliced his throat, she could have lassoed him right there and been done with it.
Originally posted by leonidas
depends i guess on how you view the scans. their is one scan where it seems he's hitting her multiple times at once. he beat down an amazon and hit her 200x. it always seemed to me he hit her . . . a LOT.
Originally posted by leonidas
glads has never blitzed at those speeds.
Originally posted by leonidas
remove his powers and there is no way you can prove he's one of the most skilled fighters in marvel. without her powers diana is in batman's league in combat.
I don't need to prove he's one of the best MA fighters in Marvel. He's mastered every combat form in the Shi'ar Empire and has had centuries to perfect it. Doesn't matter that he rarely shows the skill - it's there.
Originally posted by leonidas
she only needs a tiny opening to tie him up, while he needs to work hard to avoid giving that opening, overcoming her skill AND ko'ing her.
I fail to see why this is a 5/10 split if that's your view. The lasso and tiara do not make up for Glads' overall advantage in stats and powerset.
Originally posted by Xzpunisher
Wonder Woman easily, stronger, faster tougher and a far better fighterShes already tangled with Orion Captain Marvel and Superman, all vastly superior to Gladiator
This fight is a blow out
Originally posted by EnyalusThis post has more holes in it then swiss cheeseColossus never 'roughed' him up. At all. And apparently, BlackBolt is a close second to Hulk in the strength department, stated on panel. I learned that in my debate with Smurph...That being said, he still was physically overpowering BB.
Sure, if he bullrushes her at that speed. He's capable of going much faster.
To what part, him trashing the X-men or the Imperial Guard?
And its been said that Gladiator was the most powerful being in the Shi'ar Empire, and Nova called him one of the most physically strongest beings in the universe. *shrug*
It said he was in a 'conflict between duty and honor.' If you're powers are confidence-based, and you're conflicted, then you aren't operating at 100% are you?
That's a concession, right? 😉
Cool...ABC logic time from my end: Pitt was stalemating Hulk in their crossover. That makes Pitt = Hulk. Well, Supreme is at least 4x stronger than Pitt, and that's stated in Supreme. In Gladiator/Supreme crossover, they're so even in power that the fight could've lasted years. That makes Supreme = Gladiator. And, by extension, Gladiator is four times stronger than Hulk.
I winz!!
She blacked out when he punched her and only woke up at re-entry. And didn't move at first. Supes could have killed if he hadn't stopped to talk and insult her. Which is PIS.
Yeah, he hits her Amazon friend 200x in a second. Not Diana...
Not true. He blitzed Thor even when Thor's speed was amped to near light speeds. Meaning he had to have been going faster. And again in the Hyperion fight. He can blitz near or at light speed, and can bullrush even faster.
Is that the reason she got trashed by Deathstroke and struggles with Batman? There's another street leveler she got owned by but the name escapes me because its 2 AM.
I don't need to prove he's one of the best MA fighters in Marvel. He's mastered every combat form in the Shi'ar Empire and has had centuries to perfect it. Doesn't matter that he rarely shows the skill - it's there.
Seems like your entire argument revolves around the lasso or tiara. You admit he's stronger, you admit he's faster, you should admit he's got faster combat speed, you admit he's got the more versatile powerset, and you admit they're both experienced fighters and good at H2H combat.
I fail to see why this is a 5/10 split if that's your view. The lasso and tiara do not make up for Glads' overall advantage in stats and powerset.
I'd call you names, but you aren't worth getting warned over. [/B]
Last I checked, Diana moved 1/3 of the Earth, that makes her vastly stronger to Gladz,
Deathstroke fighting WW is pure PIS, I can say the same thing about Captain America and Gambit fighting Gladiator
The only thing is that Gladz getting beat by low tier characters is more consistent and he has a worse track record
You are right, it isnt a 5/10 split, its more like an 8/10 in WW favor
Gladiator has virtually no feats to show his fighting ability, not that it matters, Gladz has always been a brute in combat and tries to overpower his opponents
Gladiator is the most powerful member of the Imperial Guard? Thats true, Too bad the Guard has gotten their asses kicked by the Xmen multiple times and got man handled by Vulcan
Also your comments about Gladz blitzing her are false also, Shes been able to block attacks from Bart Allen who would leave Gladz in the dust
WW wins, let it go dude
Originally posted by EnyalusColossus never 'roughed' him up. At all. And apparently, BlackBolt is a close second to Hulk in the strength department, stated on panel. I learned that in my debate with Smurph...That being said, he still was physically overpowering BB.
BB is powerful no doubt. second to hulk?? not buying that . . . maybe he's close to bolt though, because we've seen he's not a match for even a non-savage hulk.
Sure, if he bullrushes her at that speed. He's capable of going much faster.
and she's capable of reacting MUCH more quickly. you honestly think he can get a blitz on her before she can offer any defense? when she's consistently tagged the fastest characters in DC and consistently been lumped in with them in terms of speed? again, his top end is higher--it's NOT so much higher that she can't deal with it, as she's dealt with it from the likes of flash and superman.
To what part, him trashing the X-men or the Imperial Guard?
you mentioned he trashed vulcan. i've not seen that, and since i like vulcan, i'd be interested in that match up.
And its been said that Gladiator was the most powerful being in the Shi'ar Empire, and Nova called him one of the most physically strongest beings in the universe. *shrug*
multiverse>universe 😛
It said he was in a 'conflict between duty and honor.' If you're powers are confidence-based, and you're conflicted, then you aren't operating at 100% are you?
hmm. too esoteric to bother debating.
That's a concession, right? 😉
one i granted earlier. 😉
like i said--her best strength feats are battle feats.
Cool...ABC logic time from my end: Pitt was stalemating Hulk in their crossover. That makes Pitt = Hulk. Well, Supreme is at least 4x stronger than Pitt, and that's stated in Supreme. In Gladiator/Supreme crossover, they're so even in power that the fight could've lasted years. That makes Supreme = Gladiator. And, by extension, Gladiator is four times stronger than Hulk.
except for 2 things--hulk already beat him up AND i'm not using straight ABC. gaea HERSELF said diana is stronger than hercules. marvel possesses hercules' strength as part of his powerset. that's not ABC, that's just a fact. how CM or hercules compares to superman is open to debate, but clearly if we believe gaea WW is indeed very close in strength to superman. superman himself has commented that she is a near physical match for him. batman has said only superman can restrain her. again, i'm not sure why you want to say glads is so far above her. he may be stronger, but the degree of separation is not a big one.
She blacked out when he punched her and only woke up at re-entry. And didn't move at first. Supes could have killed if he hadn't stopped to talk and insult her. Which is PIS.
she blacked out for a second after an enraged superman hit her and sent her travelling from the sun to the earth at beyond lightspeed. 😐 not a bad feat, all in all . . .
Yeah, he hits her Amazon friend 200x in a second. Not Diana...
again, it depends on how you see the scan. if you want it, i can dig it up. not sure it matters. she was roughed up a bit, but that was it.
Not true. He blitzed Thor even when Thor's speed was amped to near light speeds. Meaning he had to have been going faster. And again in the Hyperion fight. He can blitz near or at light speed, and can bullrush even faster.
meh. he didn't really blitz thor. he caught him off guard more than anything when thor didn't even know who he was. and once he was on the sled they were on equal footing. the sled wasn't even moving lightspeed, so it's a feat diana could achieve as well. i need to see that hyperion fight again. the hyperion fight was interesting. the whole 'nanosecond' thing isn't all that impressive though. all hyperion did was block a blow, then, 'nanoseconds later' he threw a punch that gladiator blocked. that was the extent of it.
a nice reaction feat, but it was actually HYPERION who showed the nanosecond attack speed. thor has trounced hyperion in at least one encounter. glads was even with hyperion but won on skill. a nice win still though, admittedly.
Is that the reason she got trashed by Deathstroke and struggles with Batman? There's another street leveler she got owned by but the name escapes me because its 2 AM.
DS has schooled bats on occasions too. losing to DS is hardly a poor showing. especially since skill is his claim to fame.
I don't need to prove he's one of the best MA fighters in Marvel. He's mastered every combat form in the Shi'ar Empire and has had centuries to perfect it. Doesn't matter that he rarely shows the skill - it's there.
hearsay vs on panel proof=diana's skills>glads 🙂
Seems like your entire argument revolves around the lasso or tiara. You admit he's stronger, you admit he's faster, you should admit he's got faster combat speed, you admit he's got the more versatile powerset, and you admit they're both experienced fighters and good at H2H combat.I fail to see why this is a 5/10 split if that's your view. The lasso and tiara do not make up for Glads' overall advantage in stats and powerset.
nah. i say their stats are close enough that her weapons make up for the difference. the fact that he has to ko her (NOT an easy feat as i've said) and all she needs to do is bind him is a huge advantage for her. if he uses his vision powers, another option she has that has been proven to work is that she could simply deflect them back at him, hurting him with his own powers. all she really needs to do is get an opening, hurt him enough to give her the chance to bind him. i'd give superman 8/10 against her. glads i'll stick with my split.
whether we agree or not, it's been fun. 😉
Originally posted by EnyalusColossus never 'roughed' him up. At all. And apparently, BlackBolt is a close second to Hulk in the strength department, stated on panel. I learned that in my debate with Smurph...That being said, he still was physically overpowering BB.
Sure, if he bullrushes her at that speed. He's capable of going much faster.
To what part, him trashing the X-men or the Imperial Guard?
And its been said that Gladiator was the most powerful being in the Shi'ar Empire, and Nova called him one of the most physically strongest beings in the universe. *shrug*
It said he was in a 'conflict between duty and honor.' If you're powers are confidence-based, and you're conflicted, then you aren't operating at 100% are you?
That's a concession, right? 😉
Cool...ABC logic time from my end: Pitt was stalemating Hulk in their crossover. That makes Pitt = Hulk. Well, Supreme is at least 4x stronger than Pitt, and that's stated in Supreme. In Gladiator/Supreme crossover, they're so even in power that the fight could've lasted years. That makes Supreme = Gladiator. And, by extension, Gladiator is four times stronger than Hulk.
I winz!!
She blacked out when he punched her and only woke up at re-entry. And didn't move at first. Supes could have killed if he hadn't stopped to talk and insult her. Which is PIS.
Yeah, he hits her Amazon friend 200x in a second. Not Diana...
Not true. He blitzed Thor even when Thor's speed was amped to near light speeds. Meaning he had to have been going faster. And again in the Hyperion fight. He can blitz near or at light speed, and can bullrush even faster.
Is that the reason she got trashed by Deathstroke and struggles with Batman? There's another street leveler she got owned by but the name escapes me because its 2 AM.
I don't need to prove he's one of the best MA fighters in Marvel. He's mastered every combat form in the Shi'ar Empire and has had centuries to perfect it. Doesn't matter that he rarely shows the skill - it's there.
Seems like your entire argument revolves around the lasso or tiara. You admit he's stronger, you admit he's faster, you should admit he's got faster combat speed, you admit he's got the more versatile powerset, and you admit they're both experienced fighters and good at H2H combat.
I fail to see why this is a 5/10 split if that's your view. The lasso and tiara do not make up for Glads' overall advantage in stats and powerset.
I'd call you names, but you aren't worth getting warned over. [/B]
That wasnt the only time he was called the strongest being, professor said that he's one of the strongest characters in the universe and there was another time that it was mentioned, when he came to earth and pimped slapped cyclops.
****. I had this whole long response typed out, submitted it, but it had too many images in it and now all that text is gone. 😛 So 'cause I'm lazy, I'll just post the Vulcan vs. IG fight with the parts Gladiator is in:
1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Vulcan_Glads1-1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Vulcan_Glads2.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Vulcan_Glads3.jpg
4. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Vulcan_Glads4.jpg
5. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Vulcan_Glads5.jpg
6. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Vulcan_Glads6.jpg
Ah, also, Gladiator not only beat Hyperion through skill. He overpowered him and broke his neck. 😛
Originally posted by leonidas
i'd give superman 8/10 against her. glads i'll stick with my split.whether we agree or not, it's been fun. 😉
That's a huge difference. 3 matches? Especially when Gladiator has fared well against Hyperion and Supreme, two Superman-type characters. Regardless of whether you think Supes is superior to Gladiator...by three wins is too large a margin IMO.
Originally posted by Enyalus
****. I had this whole long response typed out, submitted it, but it had too many images in it and now all that text is gone. 😛 So 'cause I'm lazy, I'll just post the Vulcan vs. IG fight with the parts Gladiator is in:1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Vulcan_Glads1-1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Vulcan_Glads2.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Vulcan_Glads3.jpg
4. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Vulcan_Glads4.jpg
5. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Vulcan_Glads5.jpg
6. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Vulcan_Glads6.jpgAh, also, Gladiator not only beat Hyperion through skill. He overpowered him and broke his neck. 😛
That's a huge difference. 3 matches? Especially when Gladiator has fared well against Hyperion and Supreme, two Superman-type characters. Regardless of whether you think Supes is superior to Gladiator...by three wins is too large a margin IMO.
ahhhh . . . i HAVE seen that fight. yeah, a nice showing for vulcan that ended badly. a good showing for glads though. i could call pis in that fight.
but i won't. 😛
as far as glads v hyperion--they were stated to be equals several times in that fight. some lame excuse from hyperion about how he nevers fights anyone on his level, yadda yadda . . . glads was only able to break his neck because of his skill advantage. he could break thor's or hulk's, maybe even superman's, if he had them in the same hold.
and i HATE when there are too many images!!! 😠
there should be some warning as you're putting together a post. i don't know how many times i've lost entire tournament posts because i've forgotten about the damn images! still makes me want to cry thinking about it. 🙁
Originally posted by leonidas
😑there are plenty of people who think he can take thor, superman, black adam . . .
gladiator is most certainly not underrated. imo he's usually overrated.
Not overrated, just put where he should be at IF you go by his feats instead of his showings due to him being a villian. I think he could take black adam and supes but I give thor a majority over him, thor is the most powerful out of the bunch and the most versatile. Just my opinion though because I also give thor the edge over silver surfer and any other herald.
Originally posted by Xzpunisher😐
Wonder Woman easily, stronger, faster tougher and a far better fighterShes already tangled with Orion Captain Marvel and Superman, all vastly superior to Gladiator
This fight is a blow out
Originally posted by XzpunisherNo. Just. No.
Call me what you want, buts its trueDiana strenght speed and durability feats>>>Gladz feats
And shes a vastly superior fighter, WW destroys him
