PC Superman runs a Gauntlet

Originally posted by tsscls
Basic knowledge would be that Superman is vulnerable to K-Nite.
Consider if you were from a different universe where turnips didn't exist.
If I gave you the basic knowledge that I hated turnips, that would equate to this. You might be able to look around my universe and eventually find out what turnips were. You might be able to procure seeds and grow them, but not even with matter manipulating powers and cosmic awareness, (whatever that is) would you be able to instantly produce a turnip. It's not within your abilities.

1. Radioactive Man created K-nite just fine despite the frequency being something that was useless in his universe(he even commented on the frequency being meaningless to him). All he needed was the frequency and he was able to create it no problem.

2. Surfer himself has used similar tactics against beings from a different Multiverse than he...
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1290/silversurfer199612013xu7.jpg

Also, the Forum Rules touch on this kind of thing...

"Concerning the Battlefield
Unless otherwise stated by the thread originator, the standard distance between combatants will be .5 kilometers in line of sight at the onset of battle, and there will be an implied "buzz" to signify the onset of battle. It will be assumed combatants are primed to go at the gun.

Also, all characters, regardless of where the fight takes place, or what universe/medium they are native to, will have full access to their abilities at optimum efficiency as they are depicted in their native universes. It will be assumed that each character fights as they are normally presented regardless of battle locale. This means that, for example, Flash will in fact have SpeedForce abilities if the battle took place in Marvel Manhattan. Battles will always take place on an assumed equal playing field."

If Surfer has the ability to manipulate any frequency of radiation in Marvel then he is assumed to be able to manipulate any frequency of radiation in a forum fight. Being from another universe isn't a "Get out of Jail Free" card for PC Supes.

Originally posted by darthgoober
What you're saying WOULD make sense except for two things.

1. Radioactive Man created K-nite just fine despite the frequency being something that was useless in his universe(he even commented on the frequency being meaningless to him). All he needed was the frequency and he was able to create it no problem.

2. Surfer himself has used similar tactics against beings from a different Multiverse than he...
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1290/silversurfer199612013xu7.jpg

1. He was being told how to do it, right? That's why it was meaningless to him. Who's going to tell SS how to re-create K-nite?

2. That page doesn't really show me much. I need some context to see how it's relevant.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Also, the Forum Rules touch on this kind of thing...

"Concerning the Battlefield
Unless otherwise stated by the thread originator, the standard distance between combatants will be .5 kilometers in line of sight at the onset of battle, and there will be an implied "buzz" to signify the onset of battle. It will be assumed combatants are primed to go at the gun.

[B]Also, all characters, regardless of where the fight takes place, or what universe/medium they are native to, will have full access to their abilities at optimum efficiency as they are depicted in their native universes. It will be assumed that each character fights as they are normally presented regardless of battle locale. This means that, for example, Flash will in fact have SpeedForce abilities if the battle took place in Marvel Manhattan. Battles will always take place on an assumed equal playing field."

If Surfer has the ability to manipulate any frequency of radiation in Marvel then he is assumed to be able to manipulate any frequency of radiation in a forum fight. Being from another universe isn't a "Get out of Jail Free" card for PC Supes. [/B]

I'm not saying SS doesn't have the ability to create K radiation, he just lacks the know how. The referenced paragraph, means to me, that the SS will merely have the full use of all his powers. The scan you presented may have had some validity, but it showed no context. I never read that SS, so I can't take it as proof of anything other than the SS kicking anoynomous, alien ass.

Originally posted by tsscls
1. He was being told how to do it, right? That's why it was meaningless to him. Who's going to tell SS how to re-create K-nite?

Originally posted by tsscls
2. That page doesn't really show me much. I need some context to see how it's relevant.

Originally posted by tsscls
I'm not saying SS doesn't have the ability to create K radiation, he just lacks the know how. The referenced paragraph, means to me, that the SS will merely have the full use of all his powers. The scan you presented may have had some validity, but it showed no context. I never read that SS, so I can't take it as proof of anything other than the SS kicking anoynomous, alien ass.

If Surfer's Cosmic Awareness allows him to pick up vulnerabilities to specific forms of radiation which he can then recreate in his own universe then he can do it in a forum fight against PC Supes.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cosmic Awareness.

It shows him using his Cosmic Awareness to pick up a vulnerability in an opponent from a different Multiverse which he then exploits to kill the opponent(hence the "He's found the fatal flaw" followed by Surfer making his opponents head explode with a single blast).

If Surfer's Cosmic Awareness allows him to pick up vulnerabilities to specific forms of radiation which he can then recreate in his own universe then he can do it in a forum fight against PC Supes.

Once again.
I trust you implicitly, but the page you presented shows none of that. You showed me a page, and you're telling me what it's showing. How about the page or two before? Also, aren't the DCU and MU in two completely seperate Omniverses? Could "cosmic awareness" bridge that gap and help Surfer in this instance?

Originally posted by tsscls
Basic knowledge would be that Superman is vulnerable to K-Nite.
Consider if you were from a different universe where turnips didn't exist.
If I gave you the basic knowledge that I hated turnips, that would equate to this. You might be able to look around my universe and eventually find out what turnips were. You might be able to procure seeds and grow them, but not even with matter manipulating powers and cosmic awareness, (whatever that is) would you be able to instantly produce a turnip. It's not within your abilities.

Originally posted by tsscls
Once again.
I trust you implicitly, but the page you presented shows none of that. You showed me a page, and you're telling me what it's showing. How about the page or two before?

There's not really much in the way of context to it, that's what happened. But if it makes you feel better...

Originally posted by tsscls
Also, aren't the DCU and MU in two completely seperate Omniverses? Could "cosmic awareness" bridge that gap and help Surfer in this instance?

"Concerning the Battlefield
Unless otherwise stated by the thread originator, the standard distance between combatants will be .5 kilometers in line of sight at the onset of battle, and there will be an implied "buzz" to signify the onset of battle. It will be assumed combatants are primed to go at the gun.

Also, all characters, regardless of where the fight takes place, or what universe/medium they are native to, will have full access to their abilities at optimum efficiency as they are depicted in their native universes. It will be assumed that each character fights as they are normally presented regardless of battle locale. This means that, for example, Flash will in fact have SpeedForce abilities if the battle took place in Marvel Manhattan. Battles will always take place on an assumed equal playing field."

OK you win
SS 1/10
PC Supes clears

Originally posted by tsscls
OK you win
SS 1/10
PC Supes clears

Originally posted by darthgoober
How would Supes clear if Surfer can one-shot him with K-nite? Unlike his current incarnation PC Supes was notoriously vulnerable to K-nite and never built up a tolerance to my knowledge...

Because PC Superman has overcome his weakness to K-nite and gone on to defeat powerful opponents in the past. And magical ones, too. And I'll let you in on a little secret, I hate him. I read Superman ferociously when I was a child. So figure late '70's to late '80's. I disliked all the stories that I read. Curt Swan was a suck-ass hack artist. There, I said it. With that said, I can look at this objectively and use my 10+ years of PC Supes knowledge coupled with my 20+ years on the other characters and say that although my uncle might have touched me in bad places when I was 8, PC Supes is a monster and would clear this gauntlet with no problem.
I feel so relieved now! Like a great weight has been lifted. I never knew I hated Curt Swan that much.

Originally posted by tsscls
Because PC Superman has overcome his weakness to K-nite and gone on to defeat powerful opponents in the past. And magical ones, too. And I'll let you in on a little secret, I hate him. I read Superman ferociously when I was a child. So figure late '70's to late '80's. I disliked all the stories that I read. Curt Swan was a suck-ass hack artist. There, I said it. With that said, I can look at this objectively and use my 10+ years of PC Supes knowledge coupled with my 20+ years on the other characters and say that although my uncle might have touched me in bad places when I was 8, PC Supes is a monster and would clear this gauntlet with no problem.
I feel so relieved now! Like a great weight has been lifted. I never knew I hated Curt Swan that much.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Scans for context? I provided proof on Surfer's behalf so it's only fair that you do the same in regards to your claims for PC Supes...

I have to provide you with scans to prove that the Silver Age Superman has overcome his weakness to K-nite? Seriously? Did he ever die from it? Do you doubt that he has? I'm too lazy for this.
Supes stops at 1.

Clears it.

As far as SS goes, speedblitz backed up with overpowering strength is your friend.

IMO.

Originally posted by tsscls
I have to provide you with scans to prove that the Silver Age Superman has overcome his weakness to K-nite? Seriously?

Originally posted by tsscls
Did he ever die from it?

Originally posted by tsscls
Do you doubt that he has?

Originally posted by tsscls
I'm too lazy for this.
Supes stops at 1.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Clears it.

As far as SS goes, speedblitz backed up with overpowering strength is your friend.

IMO.

Originally posted by tsscls
I have to provide you with scans to prove that the Silver Age Superman has overcome his weakness to K-nite? Seriously? Did he ever die from it? Do you doubt that he has? I'm too lazy for this.
Supes stops at 1.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=447673&highlight=pc+superman+forumid%3A98

Sort through this. I am. I love Curt Swan. Nostalgia is a wonderful thing.

Originally posted by tsscls
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=447673&highlight=pc+superman+forumid%3A98

Sort through this. I am. I love Curt Swan. Nostalgia is a wonderful thing.

Proof that Surfer can find someone's flaw without punching around first.

Originally posted by llagrok
Proof that Surfer can find someone's flaw without punching around first.