Originally posted by inimalist
cool, sorry to make assumptionspersonally, I see no difference.
other than to say Bin Laden is in Pakistan, but I'm sure we can think of better ways to get him/make him irrelevant globally than carpet bombing or invasion.
So Obama is elected president, he suddenly believes Osama is inside Pakistan and we invade..this is sounding so familiar.
Originally posted by inimalist
lol, what army is he going to invade with?
The one he is commander and chief of maybe? Or maybe his "Civilian security force" brownshirts?
Either way Obama plans to cut our missile defense systems and reduce our nuclear arsenals..so war with Nuclear Pakistan should be great for us. Get ready to start hiding under your desk to protect yourself from the fallout.
Originally posted by KidRock
The one he is commander and chief of maybe? Or maybe his "Civilian security force" brownshirts?Either way Obama plans to cut our missile defense systems and reduce our nuclear arsenals..so war with Nuclear Pakistan should be great for us. Get ready to start hiding under your desk to protect yourself from the fallout.
Yeah, I am sure if you only have 1 000 instead of 10 000 nuclear missiles, Pakistan is gonna **** you with their 5.
Originally posted by KidRock
The one he is commander and chief of maybe? Or maybe his "Civilian security force" brownshirts?Either way Obama plans to cut our missile defense systems and reduce our nuclear arsenals..so war with Nuclear Pakistan should be great for us. Get ready to start hiding under your desk to protect yourself from the fallout.
Pakistan's longest range missile is 1500km (CIA says its only 1000km). They are totally incapable of going to nuclear war with America. lol
and America would destroy them in a conventional military engagement, much like Iraq.
The problem is that Iraq has, according to many generals and military analysts, broken the US military. Without serious consideration of a draft, America wont be "invading" anywhere soon.
EDIT: the site I found was a little out of date. Wiki claims the longest is an upgraded version of what I mentioned, now capable of 3000km. It also says they are developing a 8000km version. This is still far to low to attack America. As far as other delivery methods, Pakistan has some bombers, though they would have to cross the Pacific Ocean (with no aircraft carriers) and they have a single sub that they are trying to equip for launch.
Originally posted by inimalist
Pakistan's longest range missile is 1500km (CIA says its only 1000km). They are totally incapable of going to nuclear war with America. loland America would destroy them in a conventional military engagement, much like Iraq.
The problem is that Iraq has, according to many generals and military analysts, broken the US military. Without serious consideration of a draft, America wont be "invading" anywhere soon.
It would be one of the dumbest moves on could make invading Pakistan..but I think it would be possible without a draft.
Pretty sure we only had, what, 140,000 soldiers in Iraq at any one time?
With over 1,436,642 active military and over 800,000 reservists it COULD be pulled off, and by pulled off I mean we would squash their military eventually but then get into the same shit we are in right now with Iraq dealing with Guerrillas and suicide bombers.
Mainland US might not get nuked, but say goodbye to the thousands of soldiers stationed in the mid east right now.
Either way I doubt it will happen, but there is obviously a chance when words such as "I would be willing to attack inside Pakistan" are heard.
Originally posted by KidRock
It would be one of the dumbest moves on could make invading Pakistan..but I think it would be possible without a draft.Pretty sure we only had, what, 140,000 soldiers in Iraq at any one time?
With over 1,436,642 active military and over 800,000 reservists it COULD be pulled off, and by pulled off I mean we would squash their military eventually but then get into the same shit we are in right now with Iraq dealing with Guerrillas and suicide bombers.
I'm just going off what I have heard. If those numbers are right, ya, I would agree.
maybe they meant broken in spirit? lol
Originally posted by KidRock
Mainland US might not get nuked, but say goodbye to the thousands of soldiers stationed in the mid east right now.
ya, a real problem. One of the worst things is that, with America's push into Pakistan, the people of Pakistan further dislike their government (this is getting better now that it isn't seen as a direct puppet) and it becomes more likely that a very strict Islamic ruler might take control.
Even if we (lol, I guess we works here, Canada is in Afghanistan 😛) weren't in Pakistan when that happens, it means serious problems for Nato troops in the region, Israel, and especially India. I'm not convinced anyone would drop a nuke (MAD still holds, imho), but totally a destabilizing factor in the region.
Originally posted by KidRock
Either way I doubt it will happen, but there is obviously a chance when words such as "I would be willing to attack inside Pakistan" are heard.
like I said before, both candidates want to attack inside Pakistan. McCain just doesn't want to talk about it.
Hugely Orwellian moment during the debates when he addressed Obama and said "You don't talk about this stuff out loud". He obviously will continue military action in Pakistan.
Re: Impalin' America
Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
[b]I'd like to hear peoples views on what would happen to America if McCain was elected, and happened to die during his term, putting Palin up as President; Hypothetically of course.
Your Views?
Get the title?
vincent
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I think it would be similar to when U.S. Presidents were assinated and the vice president took over. There was also the president who died (not assasinated) in office...I think it was in 100 years ago...sometime..I can't remember...
Most likely this would be one of those occasions when the democrats and republicans set aside their idiot rivalry and actually do something for the nation.
With all honesty...it's hard to say.
a country under palin? Well, take a pine cone, lube it up with icy hot, and jam it as fast as you can straight up your ass. now imagine that you are an entire country of 300,000 people. Kinda like that.
It'll probably start with another little reichstag fire which'll conveniently renew certain threats, destroy more rights, and lead us into another war.
Originally posted by KidRock
So Obama is elected president, he suddenly believes Osama is inside Pakistan and we invade..this is sounding so familiar.
See, there's a difference in your definition of "invade" and Obama's definition of "invade". Specific military operations and **** up the whole country are different.
Well I think it's very clear what would happen.
Intel from inside the NSA would reveal that a terrorist attack would be imminent within the next few hours, with belief that the assault would be a nuclear attack on Los Angeles.
Palin would be forced to call in JACK BAUER, who unfortunately had been resigned from the Counter Terrorist Unit based in L.A, and hope he'd take the case.
This is the longest day in Kiefer Sutherland's life....
this is Season 2...of 24!
Originally posted by Quincy
Well I think it's very clear what would happen.Intel from inside the NSA would reveal that a terrorist attack would be imminent within the next few hours, with belief that the assault would be a nuclear attack on Los Angeles.
Palin would be forced to call in JACK BAUER, who unfortunately had been resigned from the Counter Terrorist Unit based in L.A, and hope he'd take the case.
This is the longest day in Kiefer Sutherland's life....
this is Season 2...of [B]24!
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Aren't they already on like, season six?
Originally posted by Devil King
Im sorry, how long has Mr. Bush been running for re-election in this campaign? Bush IS a language-mangling moron. But it isn't Mr. Bush's speeches that anyone is addressing. People are addressing Obama v. McCain and Palin v. Biden. I can't think of a single Obama supporter that has decied to base their vote on his ability to speak in public. If that was the standard then Mr. Bush wouldn't have been elected, twice. What is making a difference is WHAT Mr. McCain is saying in his totally understandable speeches v. what Mr. Obama is saying in his speeches. What you're actually drawing atention to is how unimportant a person's ability to speak in public actually is when considering how the people will vote. Sadly, your guy still looses.
does intelligence count for anything? while Obama was attending Harvard and later teaching law in Chicago, Palin was clad in a bikini and playing the flute in the talent portion of beauty contests.
let's see here.......on one side we've got a naval pilot who's claim to fame leading to politics was crashing and being captured, held as a P.O.W. and his beauty pageant contestant VP who has a journalism degree after attending several community colleges to fullfill her credits. On the other side we've got a man with a degree in law from harvard who taught law in Chicago with a VP with a B.A. in history and political science.
If I want to someone to teach me how to fly a plane or ride an ATV, I'll tap McCain and Palin. If I want an intelligent person to make intelligent decisions regarding the future of our nation, I'll go with Obama, Biden.
Biden actually finished near the bottom of his law school class; I don't think that has negatively impacted his career. Dubya went to Yale and Harvard; I don't think that education has served him particularly well.
Attending an Ivy League institution isn't necessarily the be all and end all. That being said, of the candidates, Obama and Biden clearly come across as more intelligent and have more nuanced policy positions.
(On an aside, it's difficult to believe the assertion that Barack Obama isn't where he is now because of his (apparently) articulate oratory. On policy positions he doesn't differ particularly much from any of the other Democratic candidates from the primaries - it was his crowd-drawing ability and tactical use of caucuses that led him to nomination)
Regardless of whether a McCain wins, loses or dies, a Palin presidency or at least presidential candidacy frankly isn't impossible, or even improbable.
If she survives this campaign, she will probably be a frontrunner for the next Republican nominee.