Originally posted by inimalist
ya, I feel unless she got real greedy with our oil fields (and lets be honest, we aren't Iraq, we'd come waving the white flags as soon as you hit the border) I'm safe enoughif you guys ever get that damn green energy, I don't know what the Canadian economy would do!
It's already feeling the pinch of this wall street plunge.
Originally posted by BackFire
If it's irrelevant why did you bring it up? You directly compared Obama to Palin, than when the differences between them are made clear, you say it's irrelevant? Make up your mind.You should educate yourself on what voting present actually means. Go on. You sound rather ignorant when you lie and act like that's all he's done.
i didn't bring up the intelligence factor between Palin and Obama, did I?
Also I know exactly what present means, do you?
Originally posted by Evil Dead
I love seeing the reasons people won't vote for Obama. He's intelligent, relatable to the people and has been in politics a long time, short time on the national level.there's no way anybody can convince me that they truely see Obama and grandpa munster standing side by side and believe grandpa to be the best man for the job. just come out and say you won't vote for a black man. It's 2008.....but there is still freedom of speech. just say, "I'm not voting for that smart, uppity n-gger". That's all you have to say, we'll all understand your position then.
This post is idiotic. So now I am racist if I don't vote for Obama?
Originally posted by Pezmerga
i didn't bring up the intelligence factor between Palin and Obama, did I?Also I know exactly what present means, do you?
You compared Palin and Obama, and then backed away when it was rebuked.
Of course I know what it means, evidenced by the fact that I don't use it as a discredited and baseless attack on him; it's a valid way to vote on something, which many who are ignorant on its meaning don't realize.
Originally posted by BackFire
You compared Palin and Obama, and then backed away when it was rebuked.Of course I know what it means, evidenced by the fact that I don't use it as a discredited and baseless attack on him; it's a valid way to vote on something, which many who are ignorant on its meaning as to what it actually means - I.E.: You.
Yes I did compare them, I said that I'd rather have the Apprentice as a VP.
As for the Present thing, I know what it means. It means no with a reason.... But well played, because everyone knows what everything means on the internet lol. So just sheath that dagger please.
Originally posted by Pezmerga
Yes I did compare them, I said that I'd rather have the Apprentice as a VP.As for the Present thing, I know what it means. It means no with a reason.... But well played, because everyone knows what everything means on the internet lol. So just sheath that dagger please.
You said they are both inexperienced. I then said that's true, but Obama is clearly smarter which makes up for his lack of experience. You then said that wasn't relevant, whatever that means.
And if you know what present mean then why did you purposely misrepresent his voting record and imply that that's all he's done and that there's something wrong with voting that way?
Originally posted by BackFire
You said they are both inexperienced. I then said that's true, but Obama is clearly smarter which makes up for his lack of experience. You then said that wasn't relevant, whatever that means.And if you know what present mean then why did you purposely misrepresent his voting record and imply that that's all he's done and that there's something wrong with voting that way?
I really fail to see how experience means jack diddly, for the most part, in politics. It certainly helps the voter know who you are and where you stand, regardless of your campaign rhetoric.
What else? I'm sure there's more reasons, but a longer list can be made for why being a new comer is better.
Palin= little experience at the national level and a dumbass that can memorize talking points. She's.....hot?
Biden=smart fella but just talks in circles and shits out supposed facts like it's his political diarrhea. Old...
and while we're at it...
Obama= little experience period, but far from dumb ass. My mother says he's attractive...so whatever. Empty promises abound and some of his proposed policy fails.
McCain=a**hole old fart who is rather underhanded and likes to fool people. When I look into his soul, I see the holocaust. (Debate reference for the win?) Some of his campaign policy fails as well.
I agree with you. I don't think lengthy experience is always necessary to be a good president. JFK was only a senator for 5 years or so before running for president, and I think most agree that he did alright.
Leadership is something you have or you don't, it's not something you learn or get from experience, you have it or you don't, and Obama has it.
Originally posted by BackFire
You said they are both inexperienced. I then said that's true, but Obama is clearly smarter which makes up for his lack of experience. You then said that wasn't relevant, whatever that means.And if you know what present mean then why did you purposely misrepresent his voting record and imply that that's all he's done and that there's something wrong with voting that way?
Obama is smarter, but he is also running for President. She is running for VP. Big difference.
It can be percieved that he is just a fence sitter by voting that way. Which I personally think he is.
Originally posted by BackFire
Maybe, but seeing as it more or less gets counted as a 'no' it's not sitting on the fence, it's voting 'no' but saying that you aren't wholly against the premise. It's still making a decision, it's not a 'i don't know' as it's often insinuated.
True, but voting a soft no can be used for making excuses later on if your vote is questioned. Of course there are legit present votes as well. I just question Obama's usage of the vote. I am probably a little biased on this questioning though.
Senate vote: H.J, Res 837- 100 million to rebuild bridges in VT, VA, TX & AK; 200 thousand dollars to fund a button museum in Bumfuk, AR; 30 million dollars to expand healthcare benefits to children of pregnant women with 1 foot; 40 million to fund clean needle replacement programs for inner city Anchorage youth; 3.7 million to study stem cell research in 12 states and 4 agencies; 5 hundred thousad to fund the expeansion of acne research for the topical solutions lobby; 14 thousand to buying boot hole puncher's for the troops that will serve in Iraq in 2012; 1 millions dollars to refurbish a bridge in lower Manhattan, NY; 37 million dollars to build a heathcare infrastructure for Charlotte, NC; 7 million dollars to subsidize the purchase of plastic arrows for Colorado Indian reservation's entertainment and tourism industry.
All those in favor?
Originally posted by Pezmerga
This post is idiotic. So now I am racist if I don't vote for Obama?
perhaps if being a racist is the only reason for not voting Obama you can see from my post, perhaps it is you that is the idiot. Less typing, more thinking.
if a person is republican and says they're voting republican no matter what, so be it. if a person says there is only one issue at all in the country that matters to me and that issue is _______, I agree with McCain's proposal on this issue so I'm voting for him.......so be it.
that's not what I'm seeing though.
I'm seeing a bunch of people endorsing McCain with no reason given....no stance on issues given...how these different stances add together to form an all around better choice for president. I'm seeing people who simply won't vote for a black man but are typing posts about no issues, no pros or cons.......just long posts about nothing that is unnecissary as they could easily just post, "he's a n-gger" and we'd all understand exactly where they're coming from and know why they made their decision without a bunch of unnecissary reading of paragraphs that just go round in circles without mentioning issues. It's 2008..........you have the right to be a racist if you wish. people should just stop sugar coating it.
If a person doesn't mention issues but says equivicly that they are voting for the white guy who statisticly will not live through his first term, much less a second to bank on long term security of the positions and stances taken on issues.......yeah, they're racist. "okay....he won't live through his term and I don't know that any of his proposals are better than the black guy's but he's white and I'm voting for him"........yeah....racist. no need for the sugar coating.
Posting this in this thread because it has to do with Palin's "Obama likes Terrorists more than America" insinuation: The Obama campaign's Robert Gibbs completely owning Sean Hannity about the Ayers attack.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/robert-gibbs-confronts-ha_n_132842.html