Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Which parts? You want to argue overall mastery of the force? Variety of techniques? All of that goes to Revan.
There is no doubt that Revan was a far more intelligent being, and was a way better leader than Galen could ever hope to be. But as far as power in the force, Galen has shown more. Most of Revan's more powerful techniques required meditation and boost from other force users; example: the thought bomb.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Which parts? You want to argue overall mastery of the force? Variety of techniques? All of that goes to Revan.
Darth Revan was something of a scholar, Starkiller was not. Despite his more limited techniques, however, he has demonstrated feats well in excess of Revan's own.
- He dominated General Rahm Kota in combat, an experienced and seasoned Jedi Master who was capable of casually reflecting Sith lightning, deflecting telekinesis, and even partially deflecting Starkiller's Force grip. Kota was also, by the way, revered as a tactical genius.
- He dominated and killed Kazdan Paratus, whom Vader initially considered to be "far more powerful" than Starkiller. Paratus, by himself, was capable of "destroying legions of Confederacy droids," creating an entire replica of the Jedi Temple, and creating and empowering a vast droid army through the Force.
- He, from the novelization, stood against Shaak Ti, a Jedi revered for her incredible lightsaber skills, despite the fact that she also manipulated the mind of a native Sarlaac (one of the largest in the galaxy) to aid her in her battle against Starkiller. Granted, the novelization depicts that she nearly killed him due to superior lightsaber.
- He gripped an Imperial-class Star Destroyer, turned it around, lifted it up, and then tugged the entire thing down on an Imperial ore cannon.
- He battled through armies of Force empowered droids and militant Force empowered Felucians.
- He immobilized an AT-AT with Force lightning and then shoved it over with the Force.
- He defeats Darth Vader in single combat.
- Becoming one with the Force, he destroys the Emperor's observation tower and leaves a megafugging dent in the Death Star.
Gideon how did you come up with this conclusion “Darth Revan was something of a scholar”?
Having a thirst for knowledge does not make one a scholar. Revan gain recognition through war. In the cutscene where the jedi confront Revan on his ship he is shown ready to engage in saber combat.
Revan battled and killed Mandalore the Ultimate himself.
He defeated Yusanis of the Echani in a duel.
Revan also defeated Malak on the Star Forge.
That sounds like the description of a warrior not scholar.
Alexander the Great was a skilled tactician but would never be considered a scholar.
To be fair, Obi-Wan did as much while high in Labyrinth of Evil, depending on how you define "legions."
- Paratus, by himself, was capable of "destroying legions of Confederacy droids,".
- He battled through armies of Force empowered droids and militant Force empowered Felucians.Does the novel provide a rough figure?
- Becoming one with the Force, he destroys the Emperor's observation tower and leaves a megafugging dent in the Death Star.I thought it was the Emperor's Force-lightning; you said to me that two sources - the game and comic - agreed with the idea that it was the explosive release of the Sith Lord's power after the "lock" that was responsible, and therefore the "one with the Force" episode was overridden.
Being a scholar doesn't mean he wasn't a warrior.
Gideon how did you come up with this conclusion “Darth Revan was something of a scholar”?
Originally posted by Gideon
[B]Darth Revan was something of a scholar, Starkiller was not. Despite his more limited techniques, however, he has demonstrated feats well in excess of Revan's own.
- He battled through armies of Force empowered droids and militant Force empowered Felucians.
- He defeats Darth Vader in single combat.
Originally posted by Faunus
To be fair, Obi-Wan did as much while high in Labyrinth of Evil, depending on how you define "legions."
Obi-Wan was described as being deep within the Force at that moment as well. Not surprising, since he roots his ass within the Force more than any single individual in the mythos.
And when did Kenobi become a push over?
Does the novel provide a rough figure?
I'll look into it.
I thought it was the Emperor's Force-lightning; you said to me that two sources - the game and comic - agreed with the idea that it was the explosive release of the Sith Lord's power after the "lock" that was responsible, and therefore the "one with the Force" episode was overridden.
In the comic, it is an explosion between Marek and Palpatine's energies. In the game, it is a deflection of Palpatine's Force lightning. In the novel, it is Marek becoming one with the Force. It is implied, however, that he became one with the Force throughout the entire thing. In the novel, when he does become one with the Force, he explodes the tower. In the comic, it is just partially responsible.
And I was convinced that this was the case until the official databank made its profile.
From the official databank:
"Lightsabers clashed inside the Emperor's observation dome, but Starkiller was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious. Bombarded by Force lightning, Starkiller did not fight back but instead unleashed all the power of the Force within him, causing a tremendous blast that shattered the Emperor's tower and caused enough of a distraction to allow Eclipse and the Rebel Senators to escape."
And Darth Sexy, address the whole issue, please, or be courteous enough to concede the specific points you can't argue against.