Mundus and Argosax vs Pyron

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, a self weakened Pyron was beaten by Demitri. 🙂

I would appreciate it if people get their facts straight before they make factual statements. 😄

And Zack, stop spamming. 🙂

What feats does Pyron have? Well he can eat planets for one...He can overpower the sun's gravitational pull with his own, resulting in Earth orbiting his finger, he can matter manipulate entire planets...And the dude dwarfs planets in size. He can take out DMC world with one move. 😐

Dante has never so much as fought a lightspeed or lightning speed character, and before you bring in your bullshit about how the enemies were shadows or made of lightning, bring in a quantifiable speed feat proves it.

Mundus has zero feats, and that whole "destroying the world" BS is vague narrative hyperbole.

Despair Embodied? Call me when he gets a single feat to his name.

your confusing gameplay MECHANICS with cannon characters. blitz are enemeis which turn INTO lightening and move about. how much more do u need to say that they are lightening speed? shadow are SHADOWS , they move as SHADOWS, their impalign speed is that of SHADOWS.

destroying the world was never denied or retconned, so that makes it narrative CANNON. dispair embodied was an immortal abstract god. that alone is enough.

pyron isnt compareable to the sun, dont hype him up like that. he is bigger than the larger planets. and btw, that was ONE ending of pyron, with the planets orbitting his fingers.

so again, how was he beaten by demitri? oh yea, SELF weakened 🙄

Originally posted by leonheartmm
your confusing gameplay MECHANICS with cannon characters. blitz are enemeis which turn INTO lightening and move about. how much more do u need to say that they are lightening speed? shadow are SHADOWS , they move as SHADOWS, their impalign speed is that of SHADOWS.

destroying the world was never denied or retconned, so that makes it narrative CANNON. dispair embodied was an immortal abstract god. that alone is enough.

pyron isnt compareable to the sun, dont hype him up like that. he is bigger than the larger planets. and btw, that was ONE ending of pyron, with the planets orbitting his fingers.

so again, how was he beaten by demitri? oh yea, SELF weakened 🙄

2. No, it was narrative hyperbole, it was vague and no context was stated. With his armies and shit, sure, he could "destroy" the world, not blow it up. That's enough? So that>Feats? Pyron is an immortal Cosmic God. That's what he is, not a feat. Hell, you wanna use hyperbole statements, Pyron is omnipotent. 😐

3. You are right, since he has eaten them, he is greater. 🙂 One ending? He is consistently shown to be above planets.

4. Yeah, he wanted a real challenge, which would be impossible to do with his current form.

1. phenonon shown in gameplay and gameplay speed and damage are two different things. the former is not mechanics, the later is. the blitzes were also shown moving by becoming lightening in the cutscene. to say that moving AS lightening ISNT lightening speed is stupid. the shadows in kingdom hearts dont instantly impale , they only HIDE in shadows.

2. your oppinion, not baced by any facts. fact is, it wasnt retconned, it was narrative cannon and never contradicted.

3. eaten what?

4. so U say

Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. phenonon shown in gameplay and gameplay speed and damage are two different things. the former is not mechanics, the later is. the blitzes were also shown moving by becoming lightening in the cutscene. to say that moving AS lightening ISNT lightening speed is stupid. the shadows in kingdom hearts dont instantly impale , they only HIDE in shadows.

2. your oppinion, not baced by any facts. fact is, it wasnt retconned, it was narrative cannon and never contradicted.

3. eaten what?

4. so U say

2. It being vague and entirely contextless is fact. Never contradicted cause Dante beat his ass, Dante who has no feats on a level of whaf you are hyping Mundus to be. A planet destroyer would murk Dante in one hit.

3. Stars. He doesn't just eat planets.

4. So canon says.

1. yes it was. it had turned into lightening and was practically teleporting. and i wasnt denying that. just saying that you are wrongly underestimating dante's power set

2. so all his other feats{speed included, as well as the ability to easily survive absolute zero etc} which include killing despair embodied, sky scrapper height demons, slicing through buildings the size of pyramids with single cuts, running so fast that he becomes a meteor, etc etc make dante weak?! ur logic is lacking and circular. its not being vague and is entirely unopposed as well as CANNON and unretconned.

3. show me pyron eating stars on panel. ive only seen planets.

4., show me this cannon

canon
if you want to see a cannon, go to the military 😬

Originally posted by MadMel
canon
if you want to see a ca[b]nnon, go to the military 😬 [/B]

😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by leonheartmm
not quite. he is an extremely strong character who regularly beats lightening/lighspeed enemeis, as well as demons the size of sky scrappers, and easily cuts through dimensions to one shot town/city sized objects, and has dimensional, as well as time control. he defeated mundus, the emporer of the undeworld and potential destroyer of thw world with those charged handguns. he did the same with dispair embodied, which was an absract being. come to think of it, what cannon feats does eternity have?

-there are no light speed enemies.

-The sky scraper demon did nothing but fire flashes of energy from its maw, it was an easy boss and all in all, featless as well.
its not impressive.

-where did he destroy a town/city sized object?

-Mundus was a statue with a deformity of hands inside, he had basic abilities like energy beams, he was not impressive in the least.

-eternity? youll hvae to get the comic bods to explain that one, but the thing is, if he doesnt, youve also destroyed your own argument

Despair embodied is nothing like most of the DMC unvierse to Pyron. infact hes nothing to most universes, Despair emobodied was perhaps one of the weakest beings in the DMC unvierse let alone any other....it was pathetic.

Originally posted by Burning thought
lets clear up a few things for you:

-there are no light speed enemies.

-The sky scraper demon did nothing but fire flashes of energy from its maw, it was an easy boss and all in all, featless as well.
its not impressive.

-where did he destroy a town/city sized object?

-Mundus was a statue with a deformity of hands inside, he had basic abilities like energy beams, he was not impressive in the least.

-eternity? youll hvae to get the comic bods to explain that one, but the thing is, if he doesnt, youve also destroyed your own argument

Despair embodied is nothing like most of the DMC unvierse to Pyron. infact hes nothing to most universes, Despair emobodied was perhaps one of the weakest beings in the DMC unvierse let alone any other....it was pathetic.

1. yes there are

2. so? the fact that its a friggin sky skrapper with ensuing power to match is feat enough

3. devil may cry 4, yamato

4. duh, other than being a threat to the entire world and having vast dimensional powers etc

5. yes he doesnt, and at the same time, he is still stronger than mostly any1 inside the universe, so my argument remains

6. u obviously havent played the game, and/or are ignorant about the mythology, despair embodied was the single strongest being in all the dmc universe with the exception of dante. he/she was an immortal abstract god.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. yes there are

2. so? the fact that its a friggin sky skrapper with ensuing power to match is feat enough

3. devil may cry 4, yamato

4. duh, other than being a threat to the entire world and having vast dimensional powers etc

5. yes he doesnt, and at the same time, he is still stronger than mostly any1 inside the universe, so my argument remains

6. u obviously havent played the game, and/or are ignorant about the mythology, despair embodied was the single strongest being in all the dmc universe with the exception of dante. he/she was an immortal abstract god.

1. when?

2. its not a feat, its a large skyscraper being which was indeed pathetic, it had no real power.

3. he cuts a demon gate in half, theres no dimension cutting at all...

4. He has no dimentional powers, all he does is fly around launching energy bolts, beams and meteors, basic powers many beings in gaming have and that do nothing impressive and thats in gameplay, in canon hes done nothing.

5. Thats because first the marvel abstracts are stated as such, DMC ones are not however, your assuming as well as combining rules from diffrent universes.

6. Oh ive played the game, all he is is a shiny orange being who has weak attacks, has done nothing, no feat at all and few statements and is shot in the head by a pistol which is used often in DMC to damage enemies. Stop spitting out titles, especially when I dont recall anything stating it being a God or immortal, show me this source (you prob wont lol)

....Wtf?

What the hell happened to the post I made and addressed Leon with? 😐

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. when?

2. its not a feat, its a large skyscraper being which was indeed pathetic, it had no real power.

3. he cuts a demon gate in half, theres no dimension cutting at all...

4. He has no dimentional powers, all he does is fly around launching energy bolts, beams and meteors, basic powers many beings in gaming have and that do nothing impressive and thats in gameplay, in canon hes done nothing.

5. Thats because first the marvel abstracts are stated as such, DMC ones are not however, your assuming as well as combining rules from diffrent universes.

6. Oh ive played the game, all he is is a shiny orange being who has weak attacks, has done nothing, no feat at all and few statements and is shot in the head by a pistol which is used often in DMC to [b]damage enemies. Stop spitting out titles, especially when I dont recall anything stating it being a God or immortal, show me this source (you prob wont lol) [/B]

1. dmc 1 shadows, dmc3 shadow dante, dmc4 blitz{lightening speed}

2. other than being a large sky scrapper demon with appropriately large attacks, 😆

3. yamato cuts through dimensions, get your facts straight

4. LMAO, right, because he was flying around/fighting/shooting energy bolts INSIDE that large cathedral right?! 😆 😆 , he was the one who took dante into an alternate space like dimension and then that lava dimension where they fought, and later came out through a dimensional gateway in the final battle

5. "DISPAIR EMBODIED" nough said, shot in the head by the same pistol that defeated mundus, LMAO. how silly u r. it was pistol charged by demonic power. you dont remember things? wow im SHOCKED!!!! the words of arius/the murals on the wall where arius is going to do the cermony/the in game description of the enemy inside the files/the name of the enemy/dante's own words. they are all sources. lol. now, stop speaking.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
....Wtf?

What the hell happened to the post I made and addressed Leon with? 😐

god considered it a waste of time and made it so it never exited. 😛

Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. dmc 1 shadows, dmc3 shadow dante, dmc4 blitz{lightening speed}

2. other than being a large sky scrapper demon with appropriately large attacks, 😆

3. yamato cuts through dimensions, get your facts straight

4. LMAO, right, because he was flying around/fighting/shooting energy bolts INSIDE that large cathedral right?! 😆 😆 , he was the one who took dante into an alternate space like dimension and then that lava dimension where they fought, and later came out through a dimensional gateway in the final battle

5. "DISPAIR EMBODIED" nough said, shot in the head by the same pistol that defeated mundus, LMAO. how silly u r. it was pistol charged by demonic power. you dont remember things? wow im SHOCKED!!!! the words of arius/the murals on the wall where arius is going to do the cermony/the in game description of the enemy inside the files/the name of the enemy/dante's own words. they are all sources. lol. now, stop speaking.

shadows? they dont move the speed of light lol..

DMC3 dante shadow? no again....hes just a shadow

youll find you cant attack them while their moving as a lightning bolt and second they just transform into lightning, that doesnt mean their going lightning speed, they dont even look that speed.

2. not really, it fires beams of energy, it has monstrously horribly bad accuracy, it couldnt hit a fish in a bucket.

3. where does it say that? nowhere...did not think so..

4. You dont know he manipulated any dimension, for all you know.....the cathedral may have just been a illusion (likely, you dont get a cathedral in hell)

5. Despair embodied, so what? thats just his name, it makes no direction of his power.......

All it did was banish him and Mundus is weak and not impressive either, also he did Jackpot with Lady...nothing was destroyed... its done no feats of power

so you cant show a source...hmm did not think so 😂

Originally posted by Burning thought
shadows? they dont move the speed of light lol..

DMC3 dante shadow? no again....hes just a shadow

youll find you cant attack them while their moving as a lightning bolt and second they just transform into lightning, that doesnt mean their going lightning speed, they dont even look that speed.

2. not really, it fires beams of energy, it has monstrously horribly bad accuracy, it couldnt hit a fish in a bucket.

3. where does it say that? nowhere...did not think so..

4. You dont know he manipulated any dimension, for all you know.....the cathedral may have just been a illusion (likely, you dont get a cathedral in hell)

5. Despair embodied, so what? thats just his name, it makes no direction of his power.......

All it did was banish him and Mundus is weak and not impressive either, also he did Jackpot with Lady...nothing was destroyed... its done no feats of power

so you cant show a source...hmm did not think so 😂

their thrusts do,

no, he moves between mirrors

yes you can, with pandora. and that is a non argument, if things started moving as fast as real lightening on screen, players wudnt be able to react or play, its gameplay, but the speed is still lightening, what about griffon and nevan? they were lightening too

2. so it has bad accuracy? lol, we were discussing power. and no, it has awesome accuracy on the higher difficulties

3. the move is called slash DIMENSION. and it cuts clean through anything, because it slices through dimensions, this isnt up for debate.

4. yes, and for all we know dante cud be an illusion made by vergil, who infact could be dreaming inside the matrix. what a HORRIBLE argument. dont post this stuff unless you have any proof to back it up, it is a bad habit of yours. that cathedral was inside the CASTLE. the castle that was at the EDGE of the underworld. nuthing says it was an illusion. absolutely nuthing. and it makes sense for mundus to reside in such a grand place as ruler of the underworld. ur simply making stuff up

5. part of in game description/dialoge

ARIUS: ...I must obtain the power of Argosax... or I cannot transcend all
living things!

ARIUS: *laughing* Now, I'll absorb his power. I, will become an all-powerful
immortal! *laughs*

{oh btw, arius was strong enough to cast a solar eclipse}

DANTE: A false coin, for a false god.

ARIUS: Oohh... No...! My dream... my life...! I was going to be the king of
this world!

MISSION 18: The hunter shall surpass all who came before him {sure, despair embodied is WEAK right?}

Argosax the Chaos - The king once ruled most of the demon world and subdued
all the demons, but was defeated by Sparda.

The Despair Embodied - Possessing an androgynous perfect body and awesome
dignity, he is sometimes worshiped.

and the murals on the wall of when you fight arius say that the dispair embodied is an immortal god.

and the name despair embodied is reason enough to understand its power, backed by the fact that it doesnt even have a corporeal constant body. {actually, like nevan was DMC's version of morrigan, depair seems similar to dmc's version of pyron, evidenced by the body manipulation, fire/yellow body and the sun like appearance as it first appears. in which case dante in his rebellion devil trigger wud be similar to jeddah and virgil similar to demitri}

Did Dante just get compared to Jedah? 😐

^only his devil trigger form in dmc3 did.{check it out if u dont beleive me. i think devil may cry takes a lot of model ideas from darkstalkers}. ofcourse, he isnt an ober villian like jedah.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
their thrusts do,

no, he moves between mirrors

yes you can, with pandora. and that is a non argument, if things started moving as fast as real lightening on screen, players wudnt be able to react or play, its gameplay, but the speed is still lightening, what about griffon and nevan? they were lightening too

2. so it has bad accuracy? lol, we were discussing power. and no, it has awesome accuracy on the higher difficulties

3. the move is called slash DIMENSION. and it cuts clean through anything, because it slices through dimensions, this isnt up for debate.

4. yes, and for all we know dante cud be an illusion made by vergil, who infact could be dreaming inside the matrix. what a HORRIBLE argument. dont post this stuff unless you have any proof to back it up, it is a bad habit of yours. that cathedral was inside the CASTLE. the castle that was at the EDGE of the underworld. nuthing says it was an illusion. absolutely nuthing. and it makes sense for mundus to reside in such a grand place as ruler of the underworld. ur simply making stuff up

5. part of in game description/dialoge

ARIUS: ...I must obtain the power of Argosax... or I cannot transcend all
living things!

ARIUS: *laughing* Now, I'll absorb his power. I, will become an all-powerful
immortal! *laughs*

{oh btw, arius was strong enough to cast a solar eclipse}

DANTE: A false coin, for a false god.

ARIUS: Oohh... No...! My dream... my life...! I was going to be the king of
this world!

MISSION 18: The hunter shall surpass all who came before him {sure, despair embodied is WEAK right?}

Argosax the Chaos - The king once ruled most of the demon world and subdued
all the demons, but was defeated by Sparda.

The Despair Embodied - Possessing an androgynous perfect body and awesome
dignity, he is sometimes worshiped.

and the murals on the wall of when you fight arius say that the dispair embodied is an immortal god.

and the name despair embodied is reason enough to understand its power, backed by the fact that it doesnt even have a corporeal constant body. {actually, like nevan was DMC's version of morrigan, depair seems similar to dmc's version of pyron, evidenced by the body manipulation, fire/yellow body and the sun like appearance as it first appears. in which case dante in his rebellion devil trigger wud be similar to jeddah and virgil similar to demitri}

All your doing is assuming their moving the speed of lightnig just because their lightning demons, nothing in a cutscene or otherwise has moved that speed thus the gameplay creatures from your assumptions have no place in those speed catorgories.

2. Its not powerful either, it busted the front of a building I belive but the monsters attacks were slow and its accuracy is still bad on all the difficulties, ive finished the game on them all, its an easy boss, the only diffrence is that it has more projectiles when its a disembodied head.

3. where does it say this? there is no move name under what Dante does since its not in gameplay, all he does is slash a sword and break a pillar of stone, also your calling that it slashes through dimensions becauise of its name? if it does...the only dimension would be the one Dante is currently in, you could prob get move names from DS that have "planet buster" or otherwise which just take HP off an opponents health.

4. Not at all, ime saying your the one assuming, we know from the facts weve seen Dante is real for that universe, nothing would say otherwise.....and the Matrix thing would be impossible due to them not being under the same copyright. No your making stuff up, nothing says he changed dimensions at all, your assuming just Like i can.....ime basically telling you not to, your just trying to overhype DMC characters like you usually do.

5. first thing

What characters say is not fact, any half decent debator realises that the characters in the game do not spout facts in their speech, a characters speech is not a fact. Someone in a fiction shouting "I am invincible!!" then getting shot dead is often, you ever seen james bonde? mad guy with a skill on computers in the large radar dish..he shouts "ime invincible" does that mean he is? since according to you words are fact...

And yes Dark Jaxx lol, Leon is deprived of something ,ime still trying to figuire out what it is exactley but Ive got some opinions on what it could be.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^only his devil trigger form in dmc3 did.{check it out if u dont beleive me. i think devil may cry takes a lot of model ideas from darkstalkers}. ofcourse, he isnt an ober villian like jedah.

^DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i wrote a long reply to BT's illogical rant{honestly dude...} but the electricity went out. so ill just say this

1. gameplay. in reality they are moving at lightspeed/lightening speed, no evidence to the contrary. the speed of gameplay is on a level so players can react to it

2. what does accuracy have to do with power

3. its available in gameplay{of uve played the game} in the dark slayer style, and the move is called "slash dimension" in the database and it cuts objects by slashing through the dimension they exist in making for prfect cuts despite the durability of the object

4. dante cant walk and jump on illusions. you have no evidence suggesting it was an illusion. russel's teapot, look it up. mundus took him flying in space in another dimension. stop this nonsense. and sum1 who thinks kain can one shot pyron is not at liberty to say that any1 else hypes characters

5. so because people lie in james bond therefore nuthing characters say in dmc{or anything else inconvenient to u} can be taken as fact, even if it is supported by evidence and never EVER retconned or denied?!?!?!!!? what a load of absolute CRAP!

and again, how can a man who lusts after a video game vampire who is not only a man, but posesses three claws as finger/a disfigured face and hulking muscles , comment on what other posters are DEPRIVED off?

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