Mundus and Argosax vs Pyron

^hmmm, did i mention anywhere that dante wud actually win against pyron at the beginning of the debate???????? i think the only thing i did ASK was if pyron cud beat an abstract. from which you started ridiculing and ur usual form of debating, and then BT joined in and started to positively depower dmc characters, and much of what has been going on is me denying BT's hateful claims against me while you stand on the side lines and enjoy, adding a self satisfying off topic comment here and there.

so this is you being stupid since the above claims rent even true. and ur supporting a guy who thinks kain can one shot immortal pyron/wilhel and even god. pretty sad on ur part isnt it?

and your memory is EXTREMELY faulty if you remember anything of that sort. quan and mr. master quite often compliment their arguments and personal comments. they are both fanboys of the highest order{although im thinking otherwise after seeing BT in action}. mr. master's deifinition of even the most basic word andlanguage in general changes on a sentence to sentence basis to try and prove his point. but hey, who am i to judge a guy who thinks the living tribunal has jurisdiction over multiple omniverseS. 😛

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^hmmm, did i mention anywhere that dante wud actually win against pyron at the beginning of the debate???????? i think the only thing i did ASK was if pyron cud beat an abstract. from which you started ridiculing and ur usual form of debating, and then BT joined in and started to positively depower dmc characters, and much of what has been going on is me denying BT's hateful claims against me while you stand on the side lines and enjoy, adding a self satisfying off topic comment here and there.

so this is you being stupid since the above claims rent even true. and ur supporting a guy who thinks kain can one shot immortal pyron/wilhel and even god. pretty sad on ur part isnt it?

and your memory is EXTREMELY faulty if you remember anything of that sort. quan and mr. master quite often compliment their arguments and personal comments. they are both fanboys of the highest order{although im thinking otherwise after seeing BT in action}. mr. master's deifinition of even the most basic word andlanguage in general changes on a sentence to sentence basis to try and prove his point. but hey, who am i to judge a guy who thinks the living tribunal has jurisdiction over multiple omniverseS. 😛

Did I ever support BT?

I do remember it. Master and Quan compliment eachother? Quan complimenting Master I have seen, but like I said, Quan is a biased Marvel fanboy, and since Master typically argues for Marvel characters(Cosmics in particular), of course Quan agrees with him. LT has jurisdiction of and Omniverse, which is comprised of an infinite amount of Multiverses, where are you getting the multiple Omniverses from?

^lol, intially, mr. master started claiming that tribunal held omniverses in his hand{they were said to be megaverse on panel}. then ofcourse he changed his claim. but again, u r doing the same thing he does in argument. my argument with master has always been the definition of words. LT can NOT have jurisdiction of the omniverse as marvel as well as the wrest of the worl understand it to contain every reality in every media {including our own} that there is. the MAX any publisher/media can have in their legal jurisdiction is a singular megaverse, which can contain any number of realms/universe/multiverses. but thats it. however, many a times, for the purpose of poetic grandeur, writers ignore this rule and make silly claims like "TRIBUNAL has power over the omniverse". now even if that statement is cannon, what it represents is NOT. it can at max, be factually seen to say that tribunal has power over a "megaverse"{which again he doesnt, its only one multiverse}. but MASTER will argue that since its cannon on panel "omniverse" therefore he can beat even the DC/VERTIGO presence, as the presence only has two multiverses or universes under its control. he CONSISTANTLY tries to refer to marvel universe as an omniverse"which he add infront of the word UNIverse" every time he writes it in context to marvel. etc etc etcc. i dont understand why u like the guy so much. hes worse than quan or galacticstorm in many places, the definition of a marvel fanboy.

well it isnt speculation if the ingame database as well as the sript backs it up. its a fact that devil may cry is not the type of game where colossal planet ending battles can be fought on screen, it just doesnt work that way. which is why, we have to judge based on the feats on more normal enemeis and the game database. and i only used those quotes because friggin BT was annoying me with the claim that i had no in game evidence backing up what i was saying- the usual routine of lies and accusation among personal attacks that u can expect from him. the thing with pyron is, as far as feats go, he HIMSELF doesnt have that many, having multiple endings complicates things, and the fact that he was beaten and ABSORBED by demitri without demitri gaining anything resembling omnipotence further depowers him from what you make him out to be{see the fact that u claim he cud be omnipotent or cud easily detsroy stars etc also becomes vague speculation then}

your silent acceptance of his ridiculous arguments and jabs at me here and there wud give any1 teh impression that ur on his side.
r u surprised?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^lol, intially, mr. master started claiming that tribunal held omniverses in his hand{they were said to be megaverse on panel}. then ofcourse he changed his claim. but again, u r doing the same thing he does in argument. my argument with master has always been the definition of words. LT can NOT have jurisdiction of the omniverse as marvel as well as the wrest of the worl understand it to contain every reality in every media {including our own} that there is. the MAX any publisher/media can have in their legal jurisdiction is a singular megaverse, which can contain any number of realms/universe/multiverses. but thats it. however, many a times, for the purpose of poetic grandeur, writers ignore this rule and make silly claims like "TRIBUNAL has power over the omniverse". now even if that statement is cannon, what it represents is NOT. it can at max, be factually seen to say that tribunal has power over a "megaverse"{which again he doesnt, its only one multiverse}. but MASTER will argue that since its cannon on panel "omniverse" therefore he can beat even the DC/VERTIGO presence, as the presence only has two multiverses or universes under its control. he CONSISTANTLY tries to refer to marvel universe as an omniverse"which he add infront of the word UNIverse" every time he writes it in context to marvel. etc etc etcc. i dont understand why u like the guy so much. hes worse than quan or galacticstorm in many places, the definition of a marvel fanboy.

Worse than Quan? Master bases his opinions on something, Quan bases it off what he wants to believe and bullshit.

Isn't GalacticStorm the dude that fabricates scans?

dude, dont let me tell you which is which, go to the official marvel website and look up their section on "marvel universe" it has a CLARIFICATION section on the terms, universe, multiverse, megaverse and omniverse. i went like two days ago and it clearly states that it is a collection of all realities including those of other publishers AND the real world we live in {also include any tv shows video games etc} that there is. wikipedia and DC agree with this atleast officially. although the writers and publishers of data booklets often forget this simple fact and try and hype their stories by using big ass terms. FACTUALLY, the omniverse ONLT comes in in alamgams, and even then only a small part of it. and there is only ONE omniverse.

and marvel has said many opposion things in the past, but going by overall evidence of whats been seen. marvel has one multiverse, one void, sum realms outside the multiverse and one huge beyond realm which is compareable to the singular multiverse, and one 4th wall superme being, the one above all/the writer.

and honestly, you havent debated with master on any reasonable grounds, he is FAR worse than quan in a lot of places.

yea galactic storm is the guy who worshipped the phoenix force and was on night and day.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. yes i have, shadows/mirrors

you havent played the game then, they turn INTO lightening bolts and zap around in the area nearly teleporting, infact they ENTER the scenario as lightening bolts. dont talk about things you know nuthing about

2. what is ur head filled with? what does defence and accuracy have to do with power? youve been avoiding answering that uptil now.

3. so simply because people lie using the english language, therefore, no1 who uses the english language can be trusted to tell the truth?!?!?!!?? 😆 😆 😆 😆 {the fact that ur not laughing at urself right now tells quite a lot about ur mind}. no argument, those things have nuthing to do with DMC

4. lie and lie.

yes it does. your just incapable of understanding

5. hehe, wrong again. on screen, on video, thrice shown dimensional powers. i dont have to post any video, not only have you claimed to play the game{which means you are familiar with the scene} but u admitted the scene was there, just tried to reinterpret the whole thing as a gigantic illusion{with ZERO EVIDENCE, or even a tiny hint to that scenario being true- again, only ur brain can come up with this kind of reasoning} and i part of the first dimensional feat is already in the video you posted at 2.31, mundus uses his hands to bring himself and dante in another space dimension,where there battle commences without walls or anything else confining them. i have given you in game databasedescriptions, feats, and game script, u simply brush anything u dont want to see aside, blame ur brain, not me.

you are a loon, thats a fact. but it isnt offensive enough to be reported, your just resorting to your old pathetic tactics of useless reporting when you have no argument.

1. how is saying Shadows/mirrors make it lightspeed? lol....

No they turn into lightning, a lightning bolt is this:

They turn into what looks more like a lightning ball, not bolt. Also youve still yet to prove they move at the speed of a lightning bolt regardless of what you think they do. DMC is a fiction, thus, you have to prove its monsters move at various speeds, which ofc none of them do, your just overhyping dante.

2. Power is useless without accuracy. Power is dependant on defence, if that skyscraper was made of Admantium and was not desroyed by the monster, then obviously its power would be worthless especially in that instant, your assuming that just because it destroyed a Skyscraper....its a powerful feat, when that Skyscraper can do nothing.

3. In a game debate you cannot take what every being says to be truth if any at all, there have to be reasons, since some human being like the guy who claims those things about Despair are not shown.

4. Yes you are a lier

False

5. No but this is your problem, I have as much evidence as you to say it was an illusion a you do to say it was Dimension warp.

No I report useless people, you dont debate, you just throw around your opinions as fact then throw in some insults to boot.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I love how Leon brought up Mr Master as one of the idiots, just get his ass is sore from being pwned by him multiple times. Is funny.

really? hehe, didnt know Leon gets pwned across other boards in KMC as well. Can you show me link plz?

Nah.

Knock it off.

Leon, I am really, really getting sick of telling you to knock off the insults. Just leave the debate forums if you can't participate without name-calling.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Nah.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. how is saying Shadows/mirrors make it lightspeed? lol....

No they turn into lightning, a lightning bolt is this:

They turn into what looks more like a lightning ball, not bolt. Also youve still yet to prove they move at the speed of a lightning bolt regardless of what you think they do. DMC is a fiction, thus, you have to prove its monsters move at various speeds, which ofc none of them do, your just overhyping dante.

2. Power is useless without accuracy. Power is dependant on defence, if that skyscraper was made of Admantium and was not desroyed by the monster, then obviously its power would be worthless especially in that instant, your assuming that just because it destroyed a Skyscraper....its a powerful feat, when that Skyscraper can do nothing.

3. In a game debate you cannot take what every being says to be truth if any at all, there have to be reasons, since some human being like the guy who claims those things about Despair are not shown.

4. Yes you are a lier

False

5. No but this is your problem, I have as much evidence as you to say it was an illusion a you do to say it was Dimension warp.

No I report useless people, you dont debate, you just throw around your opinions as fact then throw in some insults to boot.

really? hehe, didnt know Leon gets pwned across other boards in KMC as well. Can you show me link plz?

moving as images in mirror = lightspeed

you havent played the game which is why u make the claim{just admit it}. they turn into nuthing remotely resembling a sphere, they turn into bolts of lightening, exactly like the one u posted. go PLAY and see. i dont have to prove that lightening moves at the speed of lightening

2. defence/accuracy=/= power. its defence was monumental, the only thing lacking according to u is its accuracy, which has nuthing to do with power.

3. that makes zero sense, in a debate you go by evidence, unrectconned/uncontradicted ingame statements and in game database entries are evidence. you have no argument

4. so a being on the level of a multiversal abstract doesnt have the power to counteract pathetic old kain's very limited soul absorbing powers{when he doesnt have any traditional soul?}? 😆 . this is why you FAIL.

5. you have negetive evidence which is a logical fallacy, nuthing indicates or even hints that it was an illusion. your own video proves u wrong.

dont lecture me on debating, its a joke coming from u.

you and master shud have a tea party 😄 .

and peach i REALLY am getting sick of you not having the TIME {or being bothered enough} on your hands to check out the evidence before you start giving out warning. i only called him a loon when hes repeatedly called me a liar and worse. its only that people like BT start spamming mods with baseless claims of insults taken out of context as a way to get other members banned to win debates which they are not capable of winning. basically, its whining, and other members either cant be bothered enough to report such people or are simply above such tactics. {ur just listened to a guy who argued that since people lie in the english language, therefore im stupid for thining that said character's statement can be taken as evidence}. if ur gonna do ur job, please do it well. BT has been the one deserving of warning all along, NOT me {and u can cross reference that with other members if u dont beleive me}.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
moving as images in mirror = lightspeed

you havent played the game which is why u make the claim{just admit it}. they turn into nuthing remotely resembling a sphere, they turn into bolts of lightening, exactly like the one u posted. go PLAY and see. i dont have to prove that lightening moves at the speed of lightening

2. defence/accuracy=/= power. its defence was monumental, the only thing lacking according to u is its accuracy, which has nuthing to do with power.

3. that makes zero sense, in a debate you go by evidence, unrectconned/uncontradicted ingame statements and in game database entries are evidence. you have no argument

4. so a being on the level of a multiversal abstract doesnt have the power to counteract pathetic old kain's very limited soul absorbing powers{when he doesnt have any traditional soul?}? 😆 . this is why you FAIL.

5. you have negetive evidence which is a logical fallacy, nuthing indicates or even hints that it was an illusion. your own video proves u wrong.

dont lecture me on debating, its a joke coming from u.

you and master shud have a tea party 😄 .

and peach i REALLY am getting sick of you not having the TIME {or being bothered enough} on your hands to check out the evidence before you start giving out warning. i only called him a loon when hes repeatedly called me a liar and worse. its only that people like BT start spamming mods with baseless claims of insults taken out of context as a way to get other members banned to win debates which they are not capable of winning. basically, its whining, and other members either cant be bothered enough to report such people or are simply above such tactics. {ur just listened to a guy who argued that since people lie in the english language, therefore im stupid for thining that said character's statement can be taken as evidence}. if ur gonna do ur job, please do it well. BT has been the one deserving of warning all along, NOT me {and u can cross reference that with other members if u dont beleive me}.

wtf? explain and show me this happening

And yes you do in a fantasy universe when the lightning in the game does not move that quick or is even a lightning bolt, the creatures when moving quickly look nothing like that bolt I think its you who have not played the game.

2. Youve not answered the point, destroying a defenceless skyscraper is not much of a feat....

3. Yes you go by evidence, but a guy saying something is not evidence, a guy saying something is subject to personality, character, unless you can prove this man is infact Omnicient and all knowing about everything in DMC, claiming his word is law is nonsense.

4. Well obviously he does not have the power if its not shown, we can all thrown around titles, Kain is deified, which means he is worshiped as a God, perhaps the Christian God? hell, does that make Kain Omnipotent, Omnicient and Omnipresent? no....

5. No, youve got no positive evidence, otherwise i can run around claiming Kain has the Power of God himself then telling you theres no evidence to suggest otherwise, there is no positive evidence on your half.

And Leon horassing the mods is one way to get another warning, especially when you say things like "cannot be bothered" means your implying Peach is a combination of bad at her job, lazy and perhaps other things, choose your words carefully.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

and peach i REALLY am getting sick of you not having the TIME {or being bothered enough} on your hands to check out the evidence before you start giving out warning. i only called him a loon when hes repeatedly called me a liar and worse. its only that people like BT start spamming mods with baseless claims of insults taken out of context as a way to get other members banned to win debates which they are not capable of winning. basically, its whining, and other members either cant be bothered enough to report such people or are simply above such tactics. {ur just listened to a guy who argued that since people lie in the english language, therefore im stupid for thining that said character's statement can be taken as evidence}. if ur gonna do ur job, please do it well. BT has been the one deserving of warning all along, NOT me {and u can cross reference that with other members if u dont beleive me}.

You know what? I really don't care what you say or think. I've said it before and I've said it again - there is never, ever an excuse for calling names or insulting people. If someone says something to you that is bashing? You report them. You do not retaliate and then whine when YOU get a slap on the wrist.

Precisely. If someone's doing something wrong, you report them. That's how this works.

You two mods might want to check out the other threads in the game vs's the ones where they've gone off topic to Terry Bogard and Ryu Bashing.

I suggest reporting it so that they know where to go.

Originally posted by Kazenji
You two mods might want to check out the other threads in the game vs's the ones where they've gone off topic to Terry Bogard and Ryu Bashing.

Then report the threads/posts. We're not psychic. We don't read every single thread here.

You need to bring things to our attention, and there is a report link on every single post, so there's no excuse to not report things.

Laziness is a pretty good excuse IMO. 131

Originally posted by Burning thought
wtf? explain and [b]show me this happening

And yes you do in a fantasy universe when the lightning in the game does not move that quick or is even a lightning bolt, the creatures when moving quickly look nothing like that bolt I think its you who have not played the game.

2. Youve not answered the point, destroying a defenceless skyscraper is not much of a feat....

3. Yes you go by evidence, but a guy saying something is not evidence, a guy saying something is subject to personality, character, unless you can prove this man is infact Omnicient and all knowing about everything in DMC, claiming his word is law is nonsense.

4. Well obviously he does not have the power if its not shown, we can all thrown around titles, Kain is deified, which means he is worshiped as a God, perhaps the Christian God? hell, does that make Kain Omnipotent, Omnicient and Omnipresent? no....

5. No, youve got no positive evidence, otherwise i can run around claiming Kain has the Power of God himself then telling you theres no evidence to suggest otherwise, there is no positive evidence on your half.

And Leon horassing the mods is one way to get another warning, especially when you say things like "cannot be bothered" means your implying Peach is a combination of bad at her job, lazy and perhaps other things, choose your words carefully. [/B]

lol. so you do admit now that you were pulling stuff out of ur ass and claiming things when uve never played the game? lol, here you go then! just so u can shutup and not bother me anymore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbxxWF6_snY&feature=related

watch 5.15 onwards, its a blitz and it TURNS INTO bolts of lightening and teleports.

unless stated otherwise, a lightening bolt has all the properties of a normal lightening bolt.

2. destroyin a sky scrapper as if it was a bug is quite a feat of destruction actually. and have you forgotten so soon about the saviour? another colossal uber powerful enemy? lol, oh wait, u havent played the game.........

3. since no character can be proven to be infalliable and omniscient, hence nuthing any has ever said in any media can be used to debate or make an argument???????/ kick urself twice for this, if u have self respect. its enough in games to use script as evidence if nuthing contradicts it and it isnt retconned. ur the only one unaware of this.

4. the christian is not the only god that is, there are many types and powers of gods in all cultures and god is often used as a title in the language. YES, if the word GOD was SOLELY used in the language as nuthing other than the omnipotent christian god, then ud have a very good argument to make kain into an omnipotent entity based on the fact that he is refered to as {a} god. however, that isnt the case, so u fail again. a list of powers wilhelm had shown was given but u insisted that he wud be one shotted by kain.

5. LMAO. the two parallels u drew have nuthing in common. i have positive evidence which even your OWN video clearly shows. urs is a hypothesis based on nuthing other than "its never said that it WASNT an illusion". that is called the fallacy of negetive evidence. ur proposition is useless since there is nuthing even remotely hinting at it to being an illusion to begin with. failed again

please dont pretend to like peach just so shell favour u. this is whats called sucking up.