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Criminal charges have driven Luke Skywalker into self-imposed exile. And power-hungry Chief of State Natasi Daala is exploiting anti-Jedi sentiment to undermine the Order's influence within the Galactic Alliance.
Now, I may have missed it, but what leads you to believe that the attack was anything other than a complex use of telekinesis? Particularly given that Luke knew how to deal with it.
And I'm not seeing how the color of the lightning means anything. It was dealt with, again, the same way as normal Force lightning. Colors aren't an indication of anything; Sidious's was purple, Dooku's was blue.
I'm not really sure what the colors means, but the author made note of it so it may be significant. As for the manipulation of the elements, its commonly known that Plo Koon, a member of the same Order used those techniques and the wind storm and all that indicate to me that it wasn't simply telekinesis.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I'm not really sure what the colors means, but the author made note of it so it may be significant.
"May."
But it could mean anything (or nothing). It could be reference to the fact that the Hidden One, unlike the Emperor, was attempting to murder him outright rather than torture him.
As for the manipulation of the elements, its commonly known that Plo Koon, a member of the same Order used those techniques and the wind storm and all that indicate to me that it wasn't simply telekinesis.
Perhaps.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
"Perhaps?" Lightning aside, all youre going to respond with is "perhaps?"
Because I'm not sure how it's relevant. Your contention was that Luke's lack of familiarity with the technique would result in him nearly losing. It has the same effect as telekinesis and Luke destabilized it with telekinesis.
Likewise, do you have a response for the lightning?
Originally posted by Gideon
Because I'm not sure how it's relevant. Your contention was that Luke's lack of familiarity with the technique would result in him nearly losing. It has the same effect as telekinesis and Luke destabilized it with telekinesis.Likewise, do you have a response for the lightning?
There are multiple things wrong with that statement. First, I don't see how Luke nearly lost. He was never seriously injured, never like "oh shit, that was close," or anything like that. He never seemed to fully exert himself. He knew exactly how he and Ben could get to the surface if need be before the fight even began. Where exactly did you get the impression that Luke was "nearly losing?"
It a manifestation that Luke probably has never seen before, or if he has only on rare occasion. This is similar to how Luke's body was ripped from him by Kyp and Exar on the Massassi Temple when Exar utilized a technique he hadn't seen before and therefor couldn't defend himself well against.
We've seen several different shades of lighting. I'm not sure if it's relevant at all, I was mainly bringing it up as food for thought rather than an argument. Btw, is Lightsnake still a regular here?
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
There are multiple things wrong with that statement.
There isn't.
First, I don't see how Luke nearly lost. He was never seriously injured, never like "oh shit, that was close," or anything like that. He never seemed to fully exert himself.
His thoughts on moving towards the Hidden One during that fight revealed that it was "slow work" due to the Hidden One's strength, but that he now felt "sure" of himself; which meant he didn't feel so sure before.
He knew exactly how he and Ben could get to the surface if need be before the fight even began. Where exactly did you get the impression that Luke was "nearly losing?"
See the above. Luke was hurled against a column, had to fight through a hurricane, admitted the extreme difficulty due to his adversary's strength, and implied a lack of doubt as the fight began.
It a manifestation that Luke probably has never seen before, or if he has only on rare occasion. This is similar to how Luke's body was ripped from him by Kyp and Exar on the Massassi Temple when Exar utilized a technique he hadn't seen before and therefor couldn't defend himself well against.
Except... Luke did defend himself against the whirlwind attack.
We've seen several different shades of lighting. I'm not sure if it's relevant at all, I was mainly bringing it up as food for thought rather than an argument. Btw, is Lightsnake still a regular here?
Fantastic. And he is.
Originally posted by Gideon
He wasn't trying to kill the Hidden One; that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that he was thrown across the chamber and pinned to a column by the strength of Force lightning.
he wasn't pinned at all the force of the lightning merely knocked him backwards he wasn't rooting himself with the force to stand his ground or anything he obviously just underestimated the hidden one IMO
Originally posted by Gideon
There isn't.
Whatever you say man. I really don't know why we have to jump back into a full argument. I've been back for less than an hour dude.
Originally posted by Gideon
His thoughts on moving towards the Hidden One during that fight revealed that it was "slow work" due to the Hidden One's strength, but that he now felt "sure" of himself; which meant he didn't feel so sure before.
You're trying to change the argument. People always become somewhat uneasy when going into combat. What if the Hidden One had gotten lucky? Being uneasy doesn't mean he was in danger.
Originally posted by Gideon
See the above. Luke was hurled against a column, had to fight through a hurricane, admitted the extreme difficulty due to his adversary's strength, and implied a lack of doubt as the fight began.
When was he in danger?
Originally posted by Gideon
Except... Luke did defend himself against the whirlwind attack.
Exactly. He was capable of defending himself regardless of the Hidden One's advantage. He was clearly superior.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Whatever you say man.
Thank you.
I really don't know why we have to jump back into a full argument. I've been back for less than an hour dude.
Consider it a discussion. And if you don't want it, don't respond.
You're trying to change the argument.
You call it "changing the argument", I call it "proving the argument." Complete difference.
People always become somewhat uneasy when going into combat.
Tell that to Count Dooku. Please don't use this as an excuse.
What if the Hidden One had gotten lucky?
Yikes. Is that your argument?
Being uneasy doesn't mean he was in danger.
Because people in fights to the death are uneasy for different reasons?
When was he in danger?
Pinned. To. Wall.
Fight. Against. Lightning.
Fight. Against. Hurricane.
Fight. Against. Projectiles (the throne).
Exactly. He was capable of defending himself regardless of the Hidden One's advantage. He was clearly superior.
I seriously mean no offense, Glentract, but your argument is a joke. Luke used telekinesis to destabilize the attack. The fact that he "defended" against it isn't a sign of superiority. Obi-Wan Kenobi defended himself against Count Dooku's Force lightning. Guess he must be superior to him in the Force.
Gideon luke wasn't in danger against projectiles he clearly was in control of the column when it fell and then using the column to his advantage when the hidden one through the chair. Luke caught and threw the column easily if i recall correct.
and against the hurricane Luke had trouble moving. that was all he wasn't getting hurt or even getting close to hurt and he got rid of the sand storm quite easily.
I don't know where you are getting the impression that lukes was in danger during those two situations could you provide me with something from the book? I'm goin to look into the fight again just to see if I missed anything.
Absolutely. I'll quote the relevant excerpts, because the entire passage is far too long:
"Ben," Luke whispered. "Stand back."It happened all at once: the Hidden One gesturing toward Luke, Ben leaping away, lightning flashing from the Hidden One's hands. It was not the purplish lightning of Emperor Palpatine, which had so nearly cost Luke his life nearly forty years before; it was all brilliant whiteness.
Luke had his lightsaber activated and up in time. The lightning crackled against his glowing blade. The strength of the attack, of the Hidden One's energy and anger, took Luke off his feet and threw him backward. He slammed into a pillar, feeling jolts of pain in his spine and the back of his head.
But the lightning did not reach him. His blade kept it at bay. And, bracing himself with the Force, Luke took a step forward.
Despite his considerable power, experience, and the advantage of a lightsaber, Skywalker was still hurled into a pillar at the strength of the Hidden One's power. Compare that to Obi-Wan Kenobi's casual deflection of Count Dooku's Force lightning in Attack of the Clones, gripping his lightsaber one handed, or to Mace Windu's own strenuous battle against the Emperor in Revenge of the Sith; even he wasn't hurled back.
Luke took another step forward. It was slow going, for the Hidden One's power was great, but Luke now felt sure in his footing and in his own strength.
Again, despite his considerable power, Luke was still clearly struggling.
There are a few others, his exertion in destabilizing the whirlwind summoned by the Hidden One, the pillar that collapsed toward him, and when the Hidden One hurled his throne at Luke.
It wasn't my contention that he lost or whatnot, but he struggled immensely against a relatively random monk, acknowledging that his victory would be hard fought.
sorry for the double post it looks like i just barely missed the 15 minute mark butI re-read the fight and sorry to say Gideon but the entire time Luke blocked the lightning then the hidden one started the wind storm and while luke was blocking the lightning he rooted himself in the force and started walking towards him step at a time. the boock says
"[/I] It was slow going, for the Hidden Ones power was great, but Luke now felt sure in his own power and strength."
the thing about being pinned against the wall never happens either.... the ferocity of the lightning took Luke of guard it says
" Luke had his lightsaber activated and up in time. The lightning crackled against his glowing blade. The strength behind the attack, of the Hidden One's energy and anger, took Luke off his feet and threw him backward. He slammed into a pillar feeling jolts of pain in his spine and the back of his head. But the lightning did not reach him. His blade kept it at bay. And, bracing himself with the force, Luke took a step forward.[I]"
Luke wasn't pinned against a wall he hit the wall and began to walk forward. Also he clearly wasn't in any danger against the lightning that never hit him.
He was pinned to the wall initially; never said it kept him there.
Once again, he struggled immensely to repulse the attacks and acknowledged that the Hidden One's power was great and that he wasn't exactly confident of the outcome as the fight began.
The fact the lightning didn't hit him doesn't mean he was any danger? Go watch Yoda's duel with Palpatine in the Senate chamber and tell him that.