Originally posted by JesterTheFool
No love for the video game characters.
What?
So by not agreeing with you that Revan is more powerful than Palpatine, we have no love for video game characters? That's pretty stupid, since all evidence points to Palpatine's superiority. This is reality. We make our conclusions based on evidence. And based on evidence, Palpatine would manhandle Revan.
And btw u will never convince me that revan<palp
I'm really not interested in convincing you.
Originally posted by JesterTheFool
God damn i cant wait for Kotor 3 so i can prove all of u wrong
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Really? and why is that? Could Mace take Starkiller?
I haven't read the book yet but from what I have heard about Marek,he certainly can beat Mace in a force duel, he would lose a saber duel to Mace for reasons most of us know.
As far as an all out fight goes-I got the impression that Galen prefers to use/feels more comfortable using the force rather then a lightsaber to finish his opponents.Didn't he win most of one on one fights via the force? So if he can create distance Mace is royally screwed. But this particular discussion is for another thread.
So by the looks of i all u think starkiller is the best on team VG but i think there was a thread already and most people said revan was better. Now starkiller beat vader and did very well vs the emperor so tell me again how does revan not even compare to palp.
Here comes the not enough proof hes an unknown palp was one of the greatest ever. If u want to knowsome of the abilities of revan go look at the thread revan vs starkiller.
Heres how i look at it starkiller defeats vader fairly quickly. Revan and exile can at least hold there own for a while if not kill em. Now we r looking at dooku and palp vs all 3. Exile vs Dooku and Revan and starkiller vs palp. Exile dies but so does palp. Dooku vs revan and starkiller is a damn slaughter. Team VG wins
Your user name is disturbingly appropriate.
Originally posted by JesterTheFool
So by the looks of i all u think starkiller is the best on team VG but i think there was a thread already and most people said revan was better.
Appealing to the majority is a fallacy. For the record, Darth Revan's knowledge of the Force and mastery of esoteric techniques does surpass that of Starkiller who is merely a disillusioned thug with great Force aptitude. The problem is that one cannot prove that Revan's raw command of the Force is greater than Starkiller's. Based on evidence, it's not.
Now starkiller beat vader and did very well vs the emperor so tell me again how does revan not even compare to palp.
He defeated Darth Vader, yes. But his efforts fighting Palpatine are irrelevant; Palpatine's goal was to convert Starkiller, to bait him into attacking him and turning to the dark side. The official databank makes it clear: Starkiller is no match "for the power of Darth Sidious." When Starkiller "unleashed all of the Force within him" it destroyed Palpatine's tower and caused an obscenely large dent in the Death Star.
Palpatine? Was standing up right and visibly fine afterwards.
Here comes the not enough proof hes an unknown palp was one of the greatest ever.
Palpatine was the greatest ever in both achievement and power.
If u want to knowsome of the abilities of revan go look at the thread revan vs starkiller.
I'm not interested. Starkiller defeated an impressive array of highly powerful and disciplind Jedi, Darth Vader, immobilized an AT-AT with Force lightning, knocked it over with telekinesis, overloaded a planetary ore cannon, imploded the brain of a bull rancor, and redirected a falling Star Destroyer rather handily whilst simultaneously being harried by TIE Fighters.
Revan? Doesn't compare.
Heres how i look at it starkiller defeats vader fairly quickly.
Except that, on all accounts, Vader put up one hell of a fight against Starkiller. So prove he'd do it "quickly."
Otherwise I could just say Palpatine Force Bitchslaps him "quickly" and moves on to somebody else.
Revan and exile can at least hold there own for a while if not kill em.
Against Palpatine and Dooku? Hahaha. Palpatine > Revan. Dooku > Exile.
Now we r looking at dooku and palp vs all 3. Exile vs Dooku and Revan and starkiller vs palp. Exile dies but so does palp. Dooku vs revan and starkiller is a damn slaughter. Team VG wins
Except you haven't proven any of that.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I personally put Dooku above Shaak Ti with the force, but thats just me. Why can Starkiller defeat the "Temple's greatest student"
He's strong enough to physically overpower Rahm Kota and break saber locks with Mech Vader. Which means his strength >>> Dooku's. And his Force displays also >>> Dooku.
Mace would own Starkiller, though. But that's not here nor there.
Originally posted by JesterTheFool
So by the looks of i all u think starkiller is the best on team VG but i think there was a thread already and most people said revan was better.
Funny because the more recent thread between the 2(yes there are 2 threads for the same fight) has Marek winning.
Now starkiller beat vader and did very well vs the emperor so tell me again how does revan not even compare to palp.
If u want to knowsome of the abilities of revan go look at the thread revan vs starkiller.
Heres how i look at it starkiller defeats vader fairly quickl
Revan and exile can at least hold there own for a while if not kill em
Here is how I see this fight going. Galen and Vader fight for a long time with Marek eventually winning if they were not interrupted . In that time Dooku beats the Exile quicker then Galen kills Vader so Dooku will help him take Marek (though Vader still may fall)while Sidious kills Revan. Movie characters win.
What you say makes no sense
how can Mace>Starkiller if Starkiller>>>>>Dooku. And are you comparing Rahm Kota to Dooku because Dooku>Kota. Dooku is on par with Mace in everyway. Dooku would cream Kota, Yoda states that the Temple's greatest student and greatest failure is Dooku. Kota was Yoda's student, and was trained at the Jedi temple. And so Dooku>Kota. Dooku is the master of Makashi the ultimate dueling form. He will beat Starkiller in a Saber match with ease. General Grievous with two sabers manhandles Shaak Ti and Ki-Adi Mundi with sabers, on several occasions Dooku handles Grievous quite comfortably with Sabers. Starkiller never handles a Jedi Master, in fact he has trouble with a Shadow Guard. Dooku on the other hand annihilates Obi-Wan Kenobi with the force quite easily. Starkiller struggles against Shaak Ti, and Kazdan Paratus, a Shadow Guard, and Rahm Kota, all of which I'd put below Kenobi and Skywalker who have been shown to be handled quite comfortably by the good count.
Jesus Christ, this mentality that "SKYWALKER AND KENOBI ARE THIRD AND FOURTH RESPECTIVELY IN THE ENTIRE ORDER" needs to just die. They're not. They've never been placed that high. Not once. Just because they're major characters doesn't mean they're automatically more powerful. Fisto, Bulq, Billaba, Tinn, Ti, and Kolar all receive similar accolades. Paratus has demonstrated a command of telekinesis and Force energy on par with Dooku; he's capable of taking out "legions" of Confederacy droids singlehandedly. Kota is capable of performing a "near impossible feat" of repulsing Sith lightning, telekinesis, and even Force grips from Starkiller. Finally, could it be possible that the Shadow Guard is a powerful figure?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
What you say makes no sense
how can Mace>Starkiller if Starkiller>>>>>Dooku. And are you comparing Rahm Kota to Dooku because Dooku>Kota. Dooku is on par with Mace in everyway. Dooku would cream Kota, Yoda states that the Temple's greatest student and greatest failure is Dooku. Kota was Yoda's student, and was trained at the Jedi temple. And so Dooku>Kota. Dooku is the master of Makashi the ultimate dueling form. He will beat Starkiller in a Saber match with ease. General Grievous with two sabers manhandles Shaak Ti and Ki-Adi Mundi with sabers, on several occasions Dooku handles Grievous quite comfortably with Sabers. Starkiller never handles a Jedi Master, in fact he has trouble with a Shadow Guard. Dooku on the other hand annihilates Obi-Wan Kenobi with the force quite easily. Starkiller struggles against Shaak Ti, and Kazdan Paratus, a Shadow Guard, and Rahm Kota, all of which I'd put below Kenobi and Skywalker who have been shown to be handled quite comfortably by the good count.
Mace has Vaapad. That's how he'd beat Starkiller. And superior speed/strength.
Dooku's Makashi didn't generate enough kinetic energy to combat Djem So. While Starkiller doesn't use that (Shien) - it's still Form V. And he's physically much stronger than Dooku, meaning Dooku won't be able to handle him in a saber duel (easily, anyway). As far as the Force goes, Starkiller has the higher feats.
So he beats Dooku, and Mace would be them both.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Dooku's Makashi didn't generate enough kinetic energy to combat Djem So. While Starkiller doesn't use that (Shien) - it's still Form V. And he's physically much stronger than Dooku, meaning Dooku won't be able to handle him in a saber duel (easily, anyway). As far as the Force goes, Starkiller has the higher feats.
Galen Marek's wookieepedia profile (source is TFU novel) says he also incorporates Soresu and Juyo into his form as well.