Originally posted by Kento
Goten never went ssj until he was seven. He wasn't born ssj. Same with Trunks though we don't know the first time he did it unlike Goten.And where did Gokou say the time? Or that it was slow? When Pan lands he pats her head saying it was fast but no time was stated.
There is also the fact Pan isn't = Gotenks which she'd have to be to go around the planet in two minutes. If you believe Gotenks bragging at that instead of what was actually shown.
Who said that pan was equal to gotenks, gotenks>>>>pan during the time that she flew around the planet at the age of four and since dragonball characters speed is based off of there powerlevel then gotenks should be able to do what pan did instantly and again, two minutes was quoted, stop hating on a character that you dont even understand or know anything about (I can still remember when you said that dragonball z power levels dont give a increase to there speed, strength, and durability. 😆 my momma even know that and she dont even look at dragonball.)
Dbzers fly by using KI, the more KI they use the faster they fly and the more exhausted they get. Which is why they try to conserve it. Its debatable how fast they go since its not comics and they dont put narrator bubbles all the time to quantify whats happening. Its made even harder when Toriyama was obviously high when he wrote since he filled it with so many loopholes. A lot of characters though have IT or another form of it so that lets them operate at way higher levels than the usual ftl.
They don't need any improvements in reaction time and yes it can improve strike speed. You don't need to use IT much when you aren't fighting someone faster than you. Like I already said they use it all the time without putting fingers to the head, when that happens in a fight you can't tell if they are using IT or just going faster. When Goku fought Cooler, someone who knew IT as well and was using it to outspeed Goku, Goku used IT constantly in the fight and so did Cooler.
Originally posted by carver9Except for her to fly around the world in two minutes she'd have to be equal to Gotenks. And that's only if you believe his bragging and what wasn't shown. He'd have taken almost a minute to fly around the planet once.
Who said that pan was equal to gotenks, gotenks>>>>pan during the time that she flew around the planet at the age of four and since dragonball characters speed is based off of there powerlevel then gotenks should be able to do what pan did instantly and again, two minutes was quoted, stop hating on a character that you dont even understand or know anything about (I can still remember when you said that dragonball z power levels dont give a increase to there speed, strength, and durability. 😆 my momma even know that and she dont even look at dragonball.)
Prove it said two minutes. Seeing as how I have the manga in front of me. First panel shows her far away, second panel shows her land, Pan then says I just flew around the world in the third panel. Fourth panel has Gokou saying great that was pretty quick. Then the next two panels are talking about Pan entering the tournament. And it's only the bottom half of the page. She's not in the top half or any page before it, and the next page is Vegeta telling Trunks to enter the tournament, then the island being shown.
And I believe my words were. How much of a boost they get is unknown. But if I did mind quoting it? But then again you really have no right saying I know nothing about DBZ when I've proven you wrong about Cell having a power level, and being organic, and 17 and 18 never running out of energy.
Any one who says they can move at light speed or any where close is talking shite. The one and only speed feat of the entire show that you could maybe use to roughly estimate there speed is useless considering we have no accurate time frame and no idea what diameter dbz Earth is as it's certainly not the same as real life. There are lots of instances which prove they can not travel any where close to light speed yet none showing they can. Why some people think they can move so fast is probably because of lazy animation and stupid dub errors.
Originally posted by Astner
Actually what happen was that after speeding up he lapped the world seven times in one panel (way outside the atmosphere, meaning he had to hold his breathe while doing this and the orbits were greater).
Piccolo later caught up to him 29 minutes after the fusion and by then Gotenks have lapped the world numerous times and taken a nap.I would say that the most powerful fighters travel in relativistic velocities (close to light), about 99% or so. The instant transmission is instantaneous, it's basically moving from one time in space to another without having to pass through the 3rd dimension.
Except that they still take minutes to fly to another point on earth...
Even Gotenks took almost a minute to fly to Buu's house after Picollo caught up to him.
They don't need any improvements in reaction time and yes it can improve strike speed. You don't need to use IT much when you aren't fighting someone faster than you
When Goku fought Cell in the Cell Games, Cell was faster than him and IT didn't help him much.
. When Goku fought Cooler, someone who knew IT as well and was using it to outspeed Goku, Goku used IT constantly in the fight and so did Cooler.
Not even canon
Any one who says they can move at light speed or any where close is talking shite. The one and only speed feat of the entire show that you could maybe use to roughly estimate there speed is useless considering we have no accurate time frame and no idea what diameter dbz Earth is as it's certainly not the same as real life.
I disagree. There's no reason to assume it's different, especially when the gravity and composition is pretty much the same as our earth.
There is no way to prove how fast their are going because most of it is unquantifiable and they don't use narration bubbles to explain like our comics do. The best case I've seen is since we've seen their blasts go ftl and they routinely dodge blasts that some of them are ftl.
Some of the blasts might be relativistic at best, but not FTL. After all, in the really long ones no timeframe was given, and normal humans can track them often.